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Thanksgiving, giving thanks

 
 
Benny the Ball
13:40 / 18.09.05
As I've mentioned before, my fiancee is a Californian girl, and is heading over to London in the next month or so. As we spoke last night on the phone, I asked how she felt about missing Thanks Giving, a holiday that I know very little about. She was quite sad about it, having not really thought about it, and mixing it in with a mixture of lonliness and away from family-ness. Anyway, I kind of wanted to do something for Thanks Giving while she is here, but am clueless. I know it's something to do with Pilgrim fathers being given turkey by native Americans when they were very hungry during the winter, but my question is less about the meaning of the holiday, and more about what it actually entals to give thanks - what ingrediants are key to the meal etc, are gifts given, if so what type, what is a Thanks Giving dinner not a Thanks Giving dinner without?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:21 / 18.09.05
First off—it's one word, Thanksgiving.

Secondly—Thanksgiving is the American holiday most associated with family togetherness. Many, if not most, companies give employees the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday, and Thanksgiving week is the heaviest travel week for US airlines and on US highways. It's less about the meal than it is about the company and the surroundings—a return to your parents' house, or your grandparents' house, for a Thanksgiving just like all the ones before.

Because it's a celebration of continuity, really, and doing it the same way from year to year is a big part of the mystique. It gives people a feeling of security in a rapidly-changing world, I think. Admittedly, sometimes it goes to ridiculous extremes: There are lots of stories about, say, Grandma's brussels sprout casserole, which nobody really liked, but which she served every year because, well, that's how she'd always done it, and which people would have missed had it been removed from the menu, even though they didn't actually enjoy eating it; they just enjoyed the idea of it.

In any case, starting your own family means starting your own traditions—and new traditions take many years to really establish. It's common for many married couples to return to one in-law home or another for the holiday, rather than celebrating as a small family unit. It's rather wrenching—but also liberating—to strike out on your own and establish a Thanksgiving routine from scratch.

The specifics—You'll have to talk to your fiancée about these, and see how she feels about her family's traditions. A typical menu will include roasted turkey with bread stuffing, mashed potatoes and gravy, various vegetable dishes (green peas and corn/maize, esp.), jellied cranberry sauce (this is vital!), and a variety of desserts—mainly pies, especially pumpkin and pecan. But, as noted above, every family has its own quirks.

The meal is generally served in mid-afternoon, at about tea-time. The menfolk and the kids traditionally sit around watching TV while the ladies work in the kitchen. The morning may be spent watching the Macy's parade, an extravaganza of marching bands and huge balloons held in New York City and nationally telecast. Thanksgiving marks the official beginning of the Christmas season, so the afternoon is often given over to Christmas movies (It's a Wonderful Life, Miracle on 34th Street, A Christmas Story).

Thanksgiving is also associated with American football and the tradition of Homecoming: it's the day when the local high school team faces its traditional rival, whoever that may be—so the morning might be spent sitting in the chilly bleachers, drinking hot chocolate and rooting for the home team. And there's college football on TV all afternoon for those who aren't in the mood for Christmas movies.

No gifts are given. But the day after Thanksgiving, you shop for Christmas presents. It's the biggest retail sales day on the calendar, year in and year out.

You'll need to talk to the future Mrs. The Ball and see what family traditions she enjoyed and which she'd rather discard—and how she feels about starting new traditions. She may find she relishes the chance to do beguin afresh, out of her family's shadow. Don't push too hard, though—it's a holiday intermingled with notions of home, comfort, and family, and it can be hard to cut the ties that bind.
 
 
ibis the being
14:32 / 18.09.05
Jack is right, Thanksgiving is more about the gathering of family & friends than anything else. But everyone I've ever met has their one food item without which Thanksgiving wouldn't be Thanksgiving. I'd fish around for what hers is. She may even wax poetic about it so you can get it pretty close to the original.

Oh, and please, for the love of all that is holy, please do not carry on this rotten 'tradition' -
The menfolk and the kids traditionally sit around watching TV while the ladies work in the kitchen.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:42 / 18.09.05
Thank you both. Oh and as the future Mrs The Ball as an aversion to touching and preparing uncooked turkey, and I actually really like cooking, I can assure you that I will not be infront of the tv while the lady-folk do the kitchen work.

So far got out of her turkey, cranberry, mash, gravey, sometimes string beans, pumpkin or apple pie (not pecan though, because of nut allergy).
 
 
Persephone
16:15 / 18.09.05
We do turkey & gravy, stuffing, cranberry sauce, potato latkes & sour cream, applesauce, green beans, and pumpkin pie. Last year I ended up with enough pumpkin pie filling for 1-1/2 pies, so I invented a chocolate-pumpkin pie. I'll be working on that recipe this year. If you want, I can post recipes. I mean, I know the latkes and the chocolate-pumpkin pie are sort of outre, but the other things are fairly standard and well-tested.

I offer this testimonial:
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:25 / 18.09.05
I gather it's traditional to burn the stars and stripes at this sort of thing, also. Is crucifying the turkey on the front lawn (a balcony will do, or otherwise, what the hell is Brockwell Park/Hampstead Heath or wherever's convenient all about really, if not this,) in a meths-soaked flag considered germane? B the B, there's only one way to find out.
 
 
Smoothly
22:34 / 18.09.05
Grandma Alex, what has a few weeks on Barbelith done to you?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:52 / 19.09.05
I think the most appropriate way to celebrate Thanksgiving would surely be to shoot your fiance, or infect her with a fatal disease, and then take her land...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:54 / 19.09.05
Remember to ask her dad's permission before infecting her with anything.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:16 / 19.09.05
Granny, I'll provide the flag, you provide the lighter fluid but we are not crucifying a turkey again. Watching you fall over as your old bandy legs get tangled in your skirt is too much for me. I almost died laughing last time and then you tried to crucify me for being 'trivial' and I'd hate to have to threaten you with a burning flag for the third year running.
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
13:01 / 19.09.05
Someone once told to me that in the UK they Give Thanks on the 4th of July...
 
 
grant
14:32 / 19.09.05
Persephone, that's brilliant. That's totally awesome. You rock.

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I've noticed that the northern contingent has made a glaring omission on their menu recommendations: sweet potatoes. Around me (and, come to think of it, with the Ohioan family we always celebrated with) sweet potato pie was mandatory. There's usually one dish like this on the table... it can be done with squash as well. It's a puree, served alongside the savories, but seasoned for maximum sweetness: cinnamon, nutmeg, brown sugar and even marshmallows are common features.

Personally, I always prefer my sweet potatoes to be savory -- baked, with butter and seasoning salt. I'm an outlier, though. The sweet potato casserole is really standard (evidently with some regional variations).

Oh, and if she says string beans, she might be referring to string bean casserole. This is made with canned string beans, canned cream of mushroom soup, grated cheese and (most importantly) what they call french fried onions. These are crispy things that rattle in the (one more time!) can.

Also, the turkey is not turkey if it is not served with stuffing. Key ingredients: cubes of stale bread, celery and rosemary. This is stuffed into the turkey, but it's also cooked (better) on the side and served from a separate dish.

My favorite Thanksgiving meals seem to have at least one freaky nouvelle-cuisine dish. Some kind of walnut/fresh cranberry relish, or an herb-encrusted snapper, wild rice stuffing... something out of the ordinary. As a fish-eatin' vegetarian, I munch on a baked fish or (depending on where I am) a Tofurkey. That's something to Google for....

The important thing is the "meaningless" chatter with long-absent friends and family, the large meal at a large table (or several small tables), lots of bumping elbows and debating over which bottle of wine to open next. It's possible to do it small and intimate, but you have to create a sense of plenty.

May the spirit of Squanto (in myth and in reality) guide your feast preparations!
 
 
grant
14:34 / 19.09.05
Post script: the nature of the cranberries is a subject of heated debate. Some loathe the aspic/jelly that keeps the shape of the can, others say it can be no other way.
 
 
grant
14:48 / 21.11.05
So -- have the preparations been made?
 
 
Sekhmet
14:59 / 21.11.05
Just reading this thread is making me feel all warm and huggly in a somewhat uncomfortable way.

Thanksgiving is like one of those slightly scratchy blankets your grandma knitted.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:16 / 21.11.05
Scratchy, not because of the nature of the material, but because it's crawling with... Oh, you get the picture.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:22 / 21.11.05
LOTS of food, booze, wine and Mystery Science Theater 3000 tapes.

... no, really.

It's the only thing that's kept me sane on Thanksgiving.

My family broke up ages ago and my wife's family is also broken so every holiday it's the mytosis mambo as we try to be four places at once. This year we're doing it at my place with my mom which may or may not go well.

Holidays are about family togetherness... which makes me drink far more than I should every year and I let myself go on the holidays.

For food I recommend turkey, the sweet potato is awesome, mashed potatoes, cranberry chutney (like cranberry sauce but edible) as well and may I suggest a corn bread stuffing? You simply make cornbread, let it sit overnight, then crumble it with pecans, dried cranberries and raisins.

Everyone have a good glass with friends and family and appreciate what you've got.
 
 
ibis the being
16:43 / 21.11.05
I was really excited about baking My First Pie this Thanksgiving, but turns out my stepmom's bringing three. (sad face) I guess I'll just bring a green bean casserole with French's dried onions on top, can never have too many of those, can you?
 
 
Aertho
16:56 / 21.11.05
We send out flyers. This years attendance is 20 persons. Two sets of grandparents, and four new out-laws. Small print on page 2 (not shown) is shootin' guns in the backyard. It's great now that we're all of age. Except Zachary.

 
 
Spaniel
16:59 / 21.11.05
Sjaak, there is no British Thanksgiving analogue.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:09 / 21.11.05
Boboss: The joke there is that July 4 (1776 CE, to be exact) is when the American colonies declared their independence—an event for which the motherland has, in retrospect, much to be thankful for, no?
 
 
Spaniel
17:13 / 21.11.05
You know, I managed not to link Independence Day and Sjaak's comment together.

Bobossidiot.
 
 
Char Aina
17:23 / 21.11.05
was i fooled by facts when i believed bill bryson that the fourth wasnt really the date? he claims the day the proposal was adopted was in factthe 2nd of july.
it wasnt even signed on the fourth, except by hancock and thomson. the official singing wasnt until august, after the words agreed had been transcribed onto the parchment that most folks are familiar with.

he also claimed that it took a good four or five years for all the signatures to be added, i believe.

the fourth is famous because of the book 'washington and his generals', itself a pulp novel of the time, i believe.
 
 
Ganesh
17:31 / 21.11.05
And its porn equivalent, Washington and his Genitals.
 
 
Char Aina
17:39 / 21.11.05
funnily enough...
george lippard, the author of said novel, was a producer of pornographic novellas before he decided patritiotic pulp was a good seller.
'debbie does the delaware militia', etc.
 
 
Cherielabombe
18:37 / 21.11.05
grant: I am from the north and we most certainly do have sweet potatoes at our feast (but not sweet potato pie - candied yams rule the day). Also we use velveeta instead of mushroom soup for the string bean caserole - MMMM!!!

I would like to impress upon you non-Americans the importance of Thanksgiving. McDonalds is closed only two days in the US - Christmas and Thanksgiving.

Last year I had to work on Thanksgiving and I 'celebrated' with a christmas sandwich from pret-a-manger (as it has turkey and stuffing).

BTW, it's the stuffing I most look forward too.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:40 / 21.11.05
titter ye not
 
 
grant
00:05 / 25.11.05
I am bloated like a fat tick. We brought two dishes from Mrs. Wilkes' Boarding House Cookbook (rutabagas and a sweet potato casserole) along with Guinness punch (better than eggnog) and the stuffing. Others brought salad and turkey and mashed potatoes and gravy and two kinds of pumpkin pie, one of which was laden with ginger and delicious.

How's yours?
 
 
Spaniel
00:13 / 25.11.05
I've had savoury pumpkin pie once, pumpkin soup once, pumpkin tortellini twice, pumpkin mash once, and sweet pumpkin pie not enough. As a Brit I need to know more.
 
 
semioticrobotic
01:00 / 25.11.05
Well, I'm fighting the effects of tryptophan-induced lethargy, but am stuffed as the turkey my friends and I just voraciously consumed.

All in all, a good Thanksgiving. This was my first away from my family and girlfriend, and while I expected it to be rougher, I got through it with only minor heart pangs.
 
 
grant
02:01 / 25.11.05
casserole? No, souffle, it called itself.

Pumpkin pie is the non-stoner's excuse to get zonked on nutmeg.

I may try to explain more once digestion has wrought its sweet magic.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:55 / 25.11.05
Mmmmm. Turkey is good, homemade cranberry sauce is good, strange mixture of two different types of stuffing worked very very well, potatoes did their thing and the beans and sprouts were nice - but best of all (even better than the pumpkin pie) was the gravey - mmmmm, lovely lovely gravey. As I had bought a turkey for the originally planned seven people, only to have various drop outs to bring it down to four, there is going to be a lot of turkey sandwich and curry and soup and etc for the next few days...
 
 
bjacques
13:26 / 25.11.05
Awww, yeah. The missus is Australian, but we duly had our turkey and invited a few expat Fellow 'Murricans. 4-kilo bio turkey w/gravy & stuffing, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, cranberry sauce (homemade, not the kind ribbed for your pleasure (and hers)), and pecan pie!

We were gonna play Wm Burroughs's Thanksgiving Prayer, but opted for an old tape of Frank Sinatra live.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:53 / 25.11.05
...there is going to be a lot of turkey sandwich and curry and soup and etc for the next few days...

And that's a genuine American tradition as well, BtB.

Glad everything worked out for you and your lovely bride-to-be.
 
  
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