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Generation Hex

 
  

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Charlie's Horse
22:27 / 01.10.05
Jon Stewart - any man who can go head to head with a something like Crossfire and help it get shut down should get this book. And if he mentioned this thing on the Daily Show, that'd be quite mad.

As far as the book goes - I've loved what I've read so far. I knew this was going to be a good book to get, but I had no idea it would be at the level that it is. One thing that's really struck me about what I've read so far is that this book has a real moral imperative at its center - make the world a better place NOW or fuck off. And it delivers this message with such power and passion that one cannot help but be roused from routine's slumber and push. I get the feeling that such a moral imperative hasn't been a large part of books on magic in the past couple of decades, if not for longer in the Western tradition. Chaos magic wasn't about what you do, but that you can do it at all. That movement threw out 'morality' because its icky and non-relativistic (in part) and 'belongs to religion.' Before that, the Western tradition seemed like something you'd do at home to get something going on in your own life , as opposed to interfacing with the community and the world and making the shit that needs to happen happen. I mean, if you go out and invoke all the Gods you can, call up your Holy Guardian Angel and chat, and then fail to really translate that to the neighbors in a way that enhances their lives, your relation with them, your community, etc, then who gives a fuck? Though the book doesn't knock personal work, it really maps out a generally disregarded area of what must be done to help others continue to live on the world, and why it must be done. It contains the perspective of people who live and breathe this kind of direct action. That's a hell of a thing.

(P.S. - Mordant - you really should've submitted something! I know I don't talk to you (or anyone here) all that much, but reading about your experiences of engaging with your Gods has been really inspiring. Not that I've started a Mordant Fan Club, but still... It could always happen.)
 
 
LVX23
07:11 / 02.10.05
...this book has a real moral imperative at its center - make the world a better place NOW or fuck off.

Absofuckinlutely! This really is were the tires hit the road. We have these amazing tools for manipulating and directing reality so let's put them to good use and take back the reins of civilization. History is ours to make.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
00:43 / 03.10.05
Word up. Glad yall liked it!
 
 
Ria
06:18 / 03.10.05
will follow-up events likely happen in NYC or envirens? because I have not made up my mind whether to go to NYC for the signing and wonder whether to wait until a bigger, say day-long, event along these lines.
 
 
electric monk
12:29 / 03.10.05
Not gotten the book yet, but am going to pick it up this week. After reading this, I'm definitely looking forward to it. A quick question for ya, tho, BiaS: Is there any talk about making Gen Hex an annual, similar to Llewellyn's Magical Almanac? I like Llewellyn's well enough, but it's a little fluffy at times.

("a little fluffy", 'e sez! Haw!)
 
 
Ulysses Lazarus
08:11 / 04.10.05
book has a real moral imperative at its center

Not having so much as glanced at the book yet I really hope yr exaggerating. I find morality incredibly off-putting. Further, one of the problems inherent in making the world a 'better' place stems from the inability of most people to agree on what 'better' means.

That said I find myself really wanting to pick this baby up but unwilling to pay the massive shipping charges necessary to get it to where I live right now. Of course when I get back I'll likely have the added bonus of ch33p used copies... assuming of course that anyone wants to give this up.

Oh... and I'd say send a copy over to J.G. Ballard. The rogue Jungian psychologist in him should fall quickly to its knees in admiration of such a work and it'll get a lovely write up the Guardian. #

I eagerly anticipate a report back from one of my agents re: the event at Vox Pop last nite...
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
14:30 / 04.10.05
Thanks to everybody who came out last night. There'll be another event on October 27 at the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors...
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
14:31 / 04.10.05
As to making it an annual, oh fuck no. Working on this thing was 2 years of my life I'll never get back and I'm ready to move on...
 
 
electric monk
15:43 / 04.10.05
Heh. Fair 'nuff!
 
 
Charlie's Horse
18:10 / 04.10.05
Well, I can understand that, Doctor Benway, but in this case its not so much that the book stresses one particular form of 'better' (socialism vs libertarianism, regular vs decaf) so much as it argues that we must make our vision of a better world physically apparent, rather than just fucking talk and argue about it. Even if it doesn't work, or isn't better, we've still learned so much more than what we do from trading more empty words. Y'know, people spend lots of time trying to agree on what 'better' means, rather than say planting a garden in a blighted patch of land. Or smiling at strangers. Or helping a fundamentalist Christian friend see that his religion and yours are more similiar than different. Or helping enemies grow into friends. We spend so much time trying to agree on what's best, all the while ignoring the fact that such a verbal melee does absolutely nothing for our people. Speaking of which, it's time to go again...

(Oh, and I totally wish I'd thought to mention Ballard. Good call.)
 
 
Ulysses Lazarus
19:11 / 04.10.05
in this case its not so much that the book stresses one particular form of 'better' (socialism vs libertarianism, regular vs decaf) so much as it argues that we must make our vision of a better world physically apparent, rather than just fucking talk and argue about it

fair enough. sounds like something i could sink my teeth into. i generally have a distaste for magic! that exists purely on the 'astral plane' or whatever bullshit wish-fulfillment fantasy dialogue people coach their inability to get results in. it seems important to me to remember that an early alternate name for 'chaos magic' was 'results magic.' while the internal discipline of 'mastering the astral plane' (with apologies to people who do lots of work in this area while achieving meatspace results) seems personally beneficial i thought the best definition of magic! had something to do with 'changes brought about in conformity with will.'

seeing the world as a lab seems useful in this respect. i agree with the whole 'whatever yr change is, make it' philosophy. i greatly look forward to checking this book out as soon as i get back and have a total boner for just about every anthology disinfo has planned for this year...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:50 / 04.10.05
Or helping a fundamentalist Christian friend see that his religion and yours are more similiar than different.

If what you mean by "your religion" here is a belief system that allows for other religions being equally valid systens of belief, then you are kidding yourself if you think doing this is in any way different than helping a libertarian friend see the value of socialism.

Does that mean it's a bad thing?

Possibly not. It depends in turn whether you have any kind of sense of right and wrong. "Morality is bad" trips glibly off the tongue, but very few people actually believe it. They just disagree where to draw the lines. Personally, I think it's great that Generation Hex features writing from some people who aren't just dilletants concerned with nothing more than making themselves seem more interesting.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
20:35 / 04.10.05
Relativism isn't my religion. I wasn't talking about brow beating someone with a very on/off right/wrong belief structure until they finally say, 'Ok, it's all valid!' In my life a really good friend of mine, who happens to be a fundamentalist Christian, has come to the conclusion that though I worship things that he thinks of as teh Evile, I care about others and work for positive change. I struggle to love my neighbors and help them out when I can. So does he. So despite our beliefs being different and well-nigh irreconcilable, the two systems lead to the same conclusion. Our 'mutually exclusive' beliefs create the same impetuous for similiar action in our lives. I haven't made him accept my belief system, which wasn't really the goal. The goal was to show him that this so-called 'mighty differences' between us fall away when we actually do things. Anyway, I hope that's all the threadrot I create today...

Sounds like you and Doc Benway will both like this book, given y'all's comments. It's very good, and it's very grounded in getting shit done on this side of the astral divide.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
18:48 / 06.10.05
Yeah we tried to slice out "moral code" from Gen Hex and replace it with "moral imperative," that is, get shit done now, whatever that means to you... make this planet better for everyone. I think you'll like.
 
 
toughest, fastest, fatest
14:21 / 07.10.05
Hi, if you're still sending out review copies you could send one to me, I'm an editor of Freedom, a fortnightly anarchist newspaper (the most widely read in the UK).

I'll pm you the editorial address, if you're interested.
 
 
agvvv
21:36 / 07.10.05
Ordered. Expected to arrive the 26th. 18 whole days..
 
 
beautifultoxin
18:36 / 08.10.05
Via the bayarea Ultraculture list: Momus apparently got his copy.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:04 / 08.10.05
Well-Known Prat Reads Book, Completely Misses Point.

And now, sport.
 
 
Chiropteran
19:10 / 08.10.05
Well-Known Prat Reads Book, Completely Misses Point.

No, WKP Skims Book, Completely Misses Point.

To Quote:

"No, I peeped into both, then thought I'd let you have my prejudices while they were still fresh."

And he calls Gypsy Lantern a "Satanist kid," which I have to admit makes me giggle.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:01 / 08.10.05
"I was a bit disappointed to hear that Gen had been burying voodoo dolls in the ground. Jesus, was all that satanic abuse stuff that made him leave Britain true, then? You know, how... silly."

Yes, because obviously "voodoo dolls" = Satanism. Prat.
 
 
Seth
00:39 / 09.10.05
And he calls Gypsy Lantern a "Satanist kid," which I have to admit makes me giggle.

Aheh. Ahehehehhehha, heh.

Ha.

Fff. Heh.

...
 
 
beautifultoxin
01:30 / 09.10.05
Yes, he's totally intellectually snobbish & lazy, but there's some circa-1995 truth at least to this part:

I dislike Satanism for aesthetic reasons too. Occult sections in bookstores are usually magnets for the spottiest, stupidest, most badly-dressed people. Occultist websites are appalling cautionary tales, evidence that, whatever else he does, Satan makes you commit every graphic design sin known to man.

(Hail Satan, and your spinning skulls and flamy GIF's!)

Also, not having read the thing yet myself -- is the concept of having an ethical framework to one's practice of magic presented in the book as "the big new thing" heralding the ultraculture? If so, the Momus may have a wee bit a point.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
05:26 / 09.10.05
Does Momus have a point? (Other than the aesthetics of actual Satanism - that I can understand)

Short answer: No.

The 'moral imperative' that I so eagerly mentioned is just something that stood out to me, especially given the fact that most books I've seen on the occult don't really make me want to go out and do shit. Most of the books I've seen are along the lines of 'oh, that's interesting. and this is relevant to my life how exactly?' Now, maybe I haven't been getting good shit. But it seems to me that the writing in Generation Hex approaches this thing we do with more passion, vigor, and desire to apply magic to everyday life than anything else I've seen.

But the essays don't get bombastic and preachy enough to say 'This is your moral imperative.' It's more that the passions displayed in the writings creates this moral impetuous towards direct action as a side effect. A most lovely side effect.


This Momus chap, whoever it is, is quite bad at even keeping up the appearance that he actually read the book, or even watched the Disinfo DVDs that closely. Seems like he must've had them on in the background, looking up often enough to confirm his belief that it's just chock-full of Satanism. I mean, how exactly does one get that impression? And his 'anything occult' equals 'SATAN' equation is quite funny, too.

Besides, isn't momus a bit worried about giving a known Satanist's book a bad rap? Doesn't he know that forevermore Satan's black dogs will hound him, nipping his heels and allowing him no moment of rest, all while Louv looks on, laughing and drinking whiskey from the hollowed skull of the last foolhardy critic?

Doesn't he know that we occultist-Satanists (is that some dual-class D&D shite?) have thee mightey pOwErs?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:11 / 09.10.05
Guys, I could totally have warned you that Momus is an idiot.
 
 
Logos
16:20 / 09.10.05
Cheer up, loves.

What does a Welsh polka dancer know about the search for enlightenment, anyway?

(And what's with his website? It's all about making cotton candy. I know this because I saw a pink button at the top of the page.)
 
 
LVX23
20:51 / 09.10.05
...is the concept of having an ethical framework to one's practice of magic presented in the book as "the big new thing"...

No. I think what the book presents (which may or may not be the big new thing) is simply living magically and the ways that the newer generations are doing so. No moral imperative other than to live and experience.

Maybe you should give it a read...

Oh, and to Momus: SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:01 / 09.10.05
*clears throat* I think you'll find that's SaTeN sAtAn SaTeN sAtEn!!!11!!!1!!1!, actually.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
22:02 / 09.10.05
Mmmm, wheat gluteny goodness...
 
 
beautifultoxin
23:11 / 09.10.05
I'll be flipping through once City Lights in SF gets a copy. Or Virgin, which has a big Satanlicious table display right now I can't believe it's not included on. (Joke!)
 
 
agvvv
23:31 / 09.10.05
Have you chaps sent Alan Moore a copy?
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
23:49 / 09.10.05
Got his address?
 
 
agvvv
00:00 / 10.10.05
Now thats a good point..
 
 
Seth
04:21 / 10.10.05
Alan Moore
Beardy Wizard
Northampton
Northhamptonshire
United Kingdom


I lay money that it arrives.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:09 / 10.10.05
Howsabout John Crow, nee Constable, the so called Southwark Shaman??

He's out and about in London throughout October doing lots of readings, performances and talks and wotnot - if anyone's interested drop me a PM and I'll send you the itinerary...I saw him on Sunday at a trabalho and mentioned the book and this thread...He's well up for it.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:05 / 11.10.05
Bumpy McLumpy.

C'mon BiaS, send it over!!
 
  

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