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Mind Fortification

 
 
Tim Tempest
15:13 / 15.09.05
I would like to try an experiment.

I want to build up my psychic defenses, like King Mob did, and then, with my newly forged 'Mind Fortification', I would like to go to a psychic, and see if they could breach my defenses.

I estimate that it will take 6 weeks to make my mind impregnable. Anyone have any advice or excercises to build up my defenses?

Oh, and anyone else who like to participate in this experiment is welcome to. It will be a good way to get a semi-accurate representation of how many people this will (or won't) work for.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:21 / 15.09.05
I can spot a few flaws in the methodology, here...Double blind and placebo's? What say you?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:35 / 15.09.05
If it's an experiment, you might want to start by inviting people to read your mind - or whatever - and establish a success rate among a few individuals who appear to be psychic enough to get in. Otherwise how are you going to tell if you have good "mental fortifications" or if you just know an awful lot of shit psychics.

If you don't mind me asking, why do you want mental fortifications? Got something to hide? Seems a bit of a weird thing to spend your time developing unless you have a specific need for it.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:48 / 15.09.05
GL! You're alive!
 
 
Tim Tempest
17:20 / 15.09.05
There really is no real need for it, and I have nothing to hide, (which of course, is why I have a pseudonym...) I just wanted to try something new. I just started getting into this whole magick scene, and I wanted an experiment. So, Gypsy, can you reccomend me anything?
 
 
Aertho
17:36 / 15.09.05
Hey Odd. I bumped that Temple Classics Thread for you to read through. Check that out, and run "beginners" in the Temple Search at the bottom.
 
 
Wombat
18:18 / 15.09.05
Hmm the problem with strong defences is that they cut you off from the rest of the world. (not allowing you to re-charge your energy). You want something that will allow you to make outgoing connections and let the connections you desire back in. Run this sigil suitably modified for your own purposes when you first startup.

IPTABLES -P INPUT DROP
IPTABLES -P OUTPUT DROP
IPTABLES -P FORWARD DROP
IPTABLES -N allowed
IPTABLES -A allowed -p PSY --syn -j ACCEPT
IPTABLES -A allowed -p PSY -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
IPTABLES -A allowed -p PSY -j DROP
IPTABLES -A tcp_packets -p PSY -s 0/0 --dport 80 -j allowed

Of course you`ve probably allready been infected by trojan memes and possibly root kitted.
Run an observer meditation to remove these. ( sit still, watch your own processes, don`t do anything at all, selectively delete any processes you don`t want)
Best of all do a complete re-format. Dr Chris Hyatt has a good book on this.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:00 / 15.09.05
It's interesting that you've picked this particular project for one of your first forays into magic.

For one thing, building an impregnable wall around your mind is quite a bit more ambitious than you seem to give it credit for. Six weeks? Mmmm... I don't think so. For another, building walls around your brain might seem like a good idea now, but in time you're going to find that the hard part is ripping down the walls that are already there.

If you want an experiment, go for something quick and dirty, like the much-mocked basic sigil working (if you don't know how to do one of those, go and search the Wiki). Or you could try your hand at divination--you'll need to learn at least one divination technique really well if you're going to make a go of this magic lark, so you may as well get cracking now.

Shielding techniques are pretty key in magic and like divination are best learned right from the word go, but what you describe sounds a bit too rigid to me.
 
 
Tim Tempest
00:42 / 16.09.05
I appreciate the help you've given me. I've done a lot of sigils already, so I just thought I would try something new, something that I haven't heard of anyone doing. Just to try. So, Chad, thank you for bumping up the 'beginners' magic thread. I will look into it.
 
 
eye landed
01:52 / 16.09.05
it would improve your experimental method as well as the versatility of your shield if you could consciously choose what to let it. put the shield up, the psychic is stymied...then put it down and have hir try again. if it makes a difference, youve got a working shield.

if that works, lets hear all about your practice methods.
 
 
LVX23
04:27 / 16.09.05
I would be concerned about what gets kept inside your iron walls. It may be wise to clean the house before locking yourself in.
 
 
Tim Tempest
14:19 / 16.09.05
You've all made good points, so you've convinced me not to do this. Not yet...anyway. I'll just have to let my abilities grow before I am ready for something of this magnitude. Gypsy's statement made it make sense that, if I don't really need to do this, then I really shouldn't do this. And LVX23, you're so right about cleaning house before locking the doors, so I will find some smaller things to play around with for a while.

Thanks everyone.
 
 
illmatic
14:45 / 16.09.05
Having said that, I hope the comments here won't put you off experimenting. One of the things I dislike about web-based discussions on the occult is that sometimes a group of people go "woo, scary" about something they haven't done, it gets discussed to death, and allthe magicleaeches out. Lot of benefit in NOT discussing stuff sometimes, I think, if it's going to dissapate all the energy. There was a thread on the goetia here like that. I hope you come up with a solid substitute experiment to keep up the enthusiam. You learn from doing, making mistakes etc after all.
 
 
Quantum
14:53 / 16.09.05
A fortress is also a prison. (My phrase for the day)

I'd go the other way, I'd start by trying to make your mind as open as possible and experience some spooky telepathy and spirit possession or whatever. Much more interesting than 'Hah! Nothng happened!'.

And, as usual, what Gypsy and Illmatic said.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:59 / 16.09.05
I dunno, Illmatic, I take your point but I think this is a bit different from the Goetia thread.

I mean, I can sort of understand wanting to summon a demon; I'd lean against that sort of thing as a starting point myself, but maybe the appearence of something big'n'toothy is just what the new mage might need. After all, we're not living in a Lovecraft novel--there might be heavy fallout from such an endevour, but you're unlikely to end up as a greasy stain on the floor or anything. Calling up a demon would be a positive experience, in the sense of something actually taking place that is outside of one's normal experience, and that's a powerful thing. Not having your mind read, though... I've not had my mind read loads of times.
 
 
daynah
03:07 / 17.09.05
I'd go the other way, I'd start by trying to make your mind as open as possible and experience some spooky telepathy and spirit possession or whatever. Much more interesting than 'Hah! Nothng happened!'.

To strech that into Daynah's direction (I seem to be quoting you a lot lately. I want to eat your brains.)

If you were to directly go into protecting yourself, you could potentially do it... for a while. As was quoted, nothing would ever happen. Doubt is not a product of spontanious generation, doubt is a product of (among other possible things) existance as a human. So, in time, a maggot of doubt will grow and worm itself around in your shields. Eventually, you will let your shields down out of a combination of laziness, doubt, and the feeling of some sort of lack of need. The maggot of doubt has eaten it all away.

Buuuut if you were to, say, first... not only open yourself up but let yourself go through an attack and see and feel what someone could do to you (if you haven't already, if you have, then I mean this to any reader), you would have a much stronger and longer lasting determination to keep the shields up. And that determination would also make them easier to make in the first place.
 
 
illmatic
11:10 / 17.09.05
Mordant: It was just that sense of the other thread of someone starting out with enthusiam and being talked out of it by the threads end. I thought, hmmm, if I'd had the internet back in t'day when I started doing stuff, maybe I'd never have got round to doing anything at all!

Not saying there's an exact analogy between the two scenarios (far from it), just trying to say "run with your enthsiasm".
 
 
Unconditional Love
11:23 / 17.09.05
open up, let it all in, you are after all all of it even that which you cannot accept about yourself and others.

be like the sun, dying everyday.

you are every angel, every demon, every deity, every saint, every murderer and every other thing you can possibly concieve of and everything you cant. be it all, deny nothing.

Total protection is born of fear.
being attacked is particularly nasty physically or magickally.

i've been physically assaulted for being a goth kicked to the ground by 6 guys, having my head stamped on.
ive also been totally destroyed internally by my own desires.

but in each instance what hurt most was my pride, the investment id made in that which one day will all go.

its totally impermanent, this body dies, this self dies.

eternity needs no protection. protection is born of fear.

eternity never dies.

That said everytime i am mentally attacked for being mixed race, or because i am responding to internal voices, or because of the way i dress, i become like a mirror reflecting back what is being pushed at me, it may be something to consider, and also you are doing a favour by creating self reflection in the recipient, not that many racist biggoted people are likely to take notice but still its worth trying.

better than the other option of trying to kill every one of them, and pushing out as much hate as possible. thou i do fall there occasionally totally swamped with hate for all that i percieve to be oppressing me. pushing it out into every white christian or racist that gives me a funny look, not a good place to be.With 34 years of that kind of attention thou it is to be expected sometimes.

After all its as human to want to be protected as much as it is to want to kill. Both to my knowledge are born from fear.
 
 
daynah
13:22 / 17.09.05
better than the other option of trying to kill every one of them, and pushing out as much hate as possible.

Sorry, I gotta stop here.

Who says the only two options are to close yourself off or protect hate onto them?

You could...

a) project love onto them. You can say this sounds gay all you want, but you know what, when you honestly love everyone simply for existing, they can't hurt you. You will find infinate patience to help you teach them to also love you simply for existing.

b) keep your mind centered and watch from afar. that is, keep your mind in a meditative state while in meditation break. When you are simply watching your body from afar, you can say, "Oh, my heart chakra is shaking." and move on to something else. Thus, the attacker has not really disrupted your life. Attacking takes effort. They can steal your thoughts and, in your meditative stance just say, "Ah, someone seems to be protruding into my thoughts." and then continue with whatever you were doing, concentrating on your actions and not spliting your attentions and not letting anything fluster you.

Again, what do you have to hide? Really, they don't matter. Let go of your attachments to your secrets. They aren't serving you. On the other hand, there's no need to tell everyone your secrets, but if someone is going to go to that much effort to get them out of you, don't mind them.

So, following this buddhist defence mind fortication... this is how Buddha defended himself. Oh, and Buddha completely believed in psychic occurances and energy bodies and such. So this should cover all your bases for whether it will protect you or not, and for most of you it seems it will cover more than what you believe in.

Instead of covering things from "If you protect yourself this way, it will protect you by doing this" we'll review by covering things from the "If you want this protected, it will be protected by doing this."

So, if you want to defend from telepathic suggestion... If you keep your mind centered and are watching your mind, you will notice "Hmm, there are thoughts in my head that are not my own." Before they attacked, you would have been running on autopilot, so after, you will probably need to sit down and regroup your thoughts. Take a small five minute meditation on, "What is my mind? What are my thoughts?"

But what were to happen if you were to get angry in this meditation? If the attacker was trying to seed thoughts into your head, and your thoughts suddenly changed from, "Oooh... I think this shirt is too expensive." to "OH MY GOD THAT MUTTERF00KER IS TRYING TO MAKE ME THINK SHE'S ATTRACTIVE" then... wait. That means that the attacker won. Maybe you're not thinking what they wanted you to think, but your thoughts did drastically change. Not only that, but they changed onto them, so if they're a psychic vampire, you're sending them hatred-tasting energy (but that's another topic, so let's not elaborate).

During this time, it's important to say "Ooh... this shirt is way too expensive... wait a second. There was a thought in my head that that girl is attractive, but that is very out of my character to think she is attractive. I have many other feelings to believe that this is a telepathic suggestion. That's okay. She must not know many psychic manners. Now to regroup myself... What do I think? I think this shirt is overpriced. What do I feel? My feet hurt from shopping too much." then go about your way.

Notice that that's exactly what you do with a distraction during meditation. Notice it, do not feel ashamed or angry, move on.

So, if you want to defend from stealing telepathic thoughts... You're standing around "Hmm this shirt is way too expensive. Oh, dear... why did that memory of me having sex with Joe pop up into my head? I also feel like there's someone in my head. Oh dear... Joe's girlfriend is standing on the otherside of the store, and I know her to be capable of stealing thoughts telepathically. Well, she's already stolen the thought. It's best just to breathe and go back to this shirt." Note the problem, and move on. Keep your mind centered.

Don't get angry at the person. Getting angry at the person isn't going to do a thing. What would getting angry at Joe's girlfriend do in this situation? Well, let's keep in mind that telepathic stealing is not a perfect art. If the narrator would have reacted, Joe's Girlfriend would have known that the thought was correct, and not just her making up scenerios in her head. Also, staying calm and loving keeps the other person more calm and loving than they could be. Jerry Springer wouldn't work if one of them kept saying, "I love you for simply existing." Anger builds on anger.

But what would happen if you just shut these people off completely?

What happens to those monkeys who hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil? They're deaf, blind, and mute.

On the otherhand, shielding is very valuable ability. Though I am strongly opposed to keeping shields up all the time like you're suggesting, learning how to throw up a very good shield is a very good thing to be able to do. This things I listed above (loving others unconditionally and having your mind centered during meditation AND meditation break) are things that will protect you like a shield but will also help you in any magical practice. Whereas a shield can help you in... one. Sheilding.
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:53 / 17.09.05
Perhaps that needs more explanation, ive grown up saturated by hate in my family environment and in my social environment, not the only emotion i know, but it is there, i am not going to deny it. i work on it, releasing and changing it.

But very occasionally i lose control. I aint perfect.

Your right there are more than two options there are alot, but i wont deny my hate, nor will i deny my love. they are two equally valid experiences of life within me. If anything the tension between them gives birth to many differing things in my mind. some useful like mirrors for self reflection, and some very much like demons, but they also have there uses.

Its only when i polarise love and hate or any opposites that seem to be in conflict that a them and us mentality appears, when i maintain the relationship between them something else is born a combination of the two.

i think in tibetan buddhism something similar is apparent between aspects of peaceful and wrathful deity, what i am proposing is witnessing the emergence of both within the same figure.
 
 
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16:19 / 17.09.05
I just started getting into this whole magick scene, and I wanted an experiment.

That's probably the best way of knowing that making your mind impregnable, is something that you'd probably want to decide not to try.

I've read that you've decided to do something else anyway so good luck with whatever you end up doing, but yeah, being able to do something like that would be a really advanced skill, if it was even possible at all.

Also the fact that even if you could do something like that, trying to do it as a newcomer to magick would take away huge amounts of the awareness you'd need just to start finding your way around as a magician/occultist. I was into this type of thing a while back and didn't get anywhere, because as soon as the first few thoughtforms/entities came straight through the shields I made I realized that it was the wrong thing to be trying to do, and focused instead on different things to do once someone/thing had got inside, which worked a lot better.

Maybe I never tried hard enough at it, but starting out doing it used up huge amounts of concentration, and if you're new to magick that's the type of thing that's best not wasted on something that you won't need anywhere near as much as some of the more basic things. If I'd have read someone telling me this when I started out though, I wouldn't have listened to a word of it, I was too deluded and over-confident.
 
 
Tim Tempest
20:02 / 17.09.05
Again, more excellent points have been made.

Is there a thread of everyone's "First Magick Experience"?

That would be helpful, like the 'Classics' thread.
 
  
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