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Let´s compare our prices and expenses.

 
  

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Mistoffelees
14:51 / 14.09.05
Often in real life and on the internet I hear people complain of rise in prices and often what I pay wildly differs from the told prices. And for example last year when I visited London, I saw big differences between what I pay at home and what the poor people have to pay there.

So now let´s compare prices and see who can live cheaply or has to pay dearly.

Prices I looked up in Berlin today:

Groceries
4 € - 9 litres of mineral water
0.99 € - 4 pieces of garlic
2 € - 1 pound of strawberries
0.79 € - 1 litre sunflower oil
0.55 € - 1 litre milk

1.30 € - 1 litre gas/petrol

some of my monthly expenses:

400 € - my rent (70m², heating incl.)
115 € - health insurance (50% benefits)
50 € - electricity (for 2 months)

For public transportation I pay 600 € once a year and can use all services every day.

So how about you? And what other expenses/prices can we and would we like to share and compare?
 
 
Mistoffelees
14:56 / 14.09.05
Something so we can compare prices better:

1 € = 0.67 £ = 1.23 US $

1 £ = 1.82 US $ = 1.49 €

1 US $ = 0.82 € = 0.55 £

1 litre = 0.26 US gallon = 1.76 British pint
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:10 / 14.09.05
I think I might move to Berlin...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:12 / 14.09.05
I'm with you, leibling.
 
 
haus of fraser
15:18 / 14.09.05
Hey I too live in the bargainlicious capital of london, and i'm scratching my head now as to why?

£415 rent (mortgage repayment)
approx .95p litre for petrol i think?

The groceries should be converted as you have them but into pounds and its about right..(I don't think i'm that far out?)

My travel card costs 21.50 per week and allows me Tubes & Buses in zones 1 & 2 (central london).

Its probably gonna be the most expensive place to live- any tokyo lithers? swiss? Norwegian?
 
 
illmatic
15:18 / 14.09.05
Hold your horses, guys. It's all going to blow up in their SOCIALIST faces, just you wait and see.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:40 / 14.09.05
I think I might move to Berlin...

Yes please. So far I´m the only Berliner I know of, that´s on Barbelith (most people here, especially east Berliners are awful at speaking english).

BTW there´s a successful club here in town called the Kit-Cat Club, where almost everybody´s nude and they´re not just dancing on the floor. Maybe you´d like it?


Hold your horses, guys. It's all going to blow up in their SOCIALIST faces, just you wait and see.

Yes, socialism is still big here. Many people are poor (maybe that´s why prices are looking so good compared to west germany?), and socialism/communism has a long tradition.

But enough threadrot, more comparing please! Why is London jam so expensive, for example?
 
 
haus of fraser
15:56 / 14.09.05
Why is London jam so expensive, for example?

because of the congestion charge, boom boom!



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i'll get my coat...
 
 
woolly
15:57 / 14.09.05
Because everything is. You have to pay £50 a day just to even breathe*


*not really, but it does sometimes feel like it.
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:09 / 14.09.05
Because everything is.

Not everything. I could walk into the British, V&A and the Natural History Museum and the Modern Tate for free. That felt weird.

I only had to pay in the National Maritme Museum, when I visited the Tintin at Sea exhibition.
 
 
ibis the being
16:15 / 14.09.05
Okay, I'll try to play off the original post. I'm in the Northeastern US.

mineral water - don't buy it, but I'd guess about $2/liter.
1 clove garlic = .50 last time I bought some
1lb strawberries - again, don't know
sunflower oil - ?? But it's about $8 for about 12oz olive oil
1 liter milk - around $1 I believe.

Actually it's kind of weird now I realize that most everyday items I just pick up without looking at the prices!

Gasoline = around $3/gal. Last week it went up to 3.60 here.
Rent = $1500/mo for this 2-bed apt, and a pretty good deal around these parts, but we are the most expensive RE market in the country. Includes (cold) water only. Plus $60/mo for one off-street parking space.
Heat = Outrageous. We're on a "balanced billing" plan that averages monthly payment plans over the year. It's almost $200/mo. Imagine what it would be if we paid it outright in the winter.
Electric = about $80 a month.
Health Insurance = HAHAHAHAHAHA, Woo, Ha, Whew that's funny... oh, you were serious? Yeah, don't have that.

I drive a car, so that's gas + $100/mo insurance plus maintenance. A combo pass for the train & bus is $71/mo, train-only $44, bus-only $31, and the commuter rails run up over $100/mo.

God, why do I live here again??
 
 
Dot the Narc...Oleptic, That Is
16:30 / 14.09.05
New York City

1 gallon gas(regular unleaded) $3.25

Apartment rent (1 bedroom, 600 square feet) $900/month in a horrible neighborhood, $1100 in a middle class neighborhood, neither with utilities included

cable television service and internet $100/ month (no premium channels)

pack of premium cigarettes $6.50
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:30 / 14.09.05
Now we can compare!

mineral water - don't buy it, but I'd guess about $2/liter.

Now that´s expensive! Three times more than here!


Actually it's kind of weird now I realize that most everyday items I just pick up without looking at the prices!

I´m like that, too. I had the idea for this thread while shopping today and so kept the bill, so I could put the prices here.


Gasoline = around $3/gal. Last week it went up to 3.60 here.

You pay about half the german price for gas. Wow!


Health Insurance = HAHAHAHAHAHA, Woo, Ha, Whew that's funny... oh, you were serious? Yeah, don't have that.

I heard about many people in the US not having health insurance. And I don´t understand that at all. What is your government thinking? Here health insurance is obligatory for people with jobs (they take it out of your salary before you get your money). If you´re on the dole or welfare, then health insurance is free.
 
 
haus of fraser
16:38 / 14.09.05
I've always assumed that the UK is more expensive because we're an island- imports and exports are therefore more expensive.

We also tax things like fuel, cigarettes and booze quite heavily (a good thing in my mind).

Driving things up further in London is a very overcrowded city- thus driving up the cost of housing/ property which in turn pushes up the cost of everything else- groceries, wages etc etc.

(just a start although i'm sure there's a budding economist somewhere on the lith that can give you a more precise reason)
 
 
■
16:49 / 14.09.05
Just for comparison, the 95p/litre works out as about $6.54 a gallon.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:21 / 14.09.05
We also tax things like fuel, cigarettes and booze quite heavily (a good thing in my mind).

Here too:
cigarettes: 24 % tax
gas/petrol: 70 % tax !
beer: ca 0.1 € for one litre
 
 
ibis the being
19:29 / 14.09.05
I heard about many people in the US not having health insurance. And I don´t understand that at all. What is your government thinking? Here health insurance is obligatory for people with jobs (they take it out of your salary before you get your money). If you´re on the dole or welfare, then health insurance is free.

What are they thinking? Hell if I know.
Health care provisions vary widely in this country. Some companies pay for their employees' health care, but often in the form of an HMO network which limits options and sometimes provides inferior care. Other employers share the cost with the employee. Many don't pay for it at all, and that's why so many Americans don't have any health insurance. There's a considerable gap between being too poor to afford health care and "poor enough" to qualify for govt programs like Medicare/Medicaid, and millions of Americans fall right in that gap, including me. I'm self-employed and when I looked at my health insurance options, they were in the $300-500 a month range. Way, way out of my budget even in the best of times.

We have a so-called "sin tax" on alcohol and cigarettes (not gasoline though). I couldn't tell you the price of cigs since I've never smoked, but I'm sure it's over $5. A 6-pack of domestic beer is about $6 here, and $7-9 for something imported/micro.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:45 / 14.09.05
$6 for a sixpack of beer!? We´d have riots here, I can assure you. I rarely drink beer, but a sixpack (2 litres)would be about $2.50 maximum.
 
 
grant
20:01 / 14.09.05
In Florida, I live in a largish house (3 bed/2 bath, with detached workshop/storeroom), and pay around $1,800/mo mortgage. Housing prices are nuts here -- I think this home's value tripled over the past 12 years.

1 lb strawberries is around $2.80 (although I'm not 100% sure on that right now).

Bananas are generally between .35 and .75 per pound.

Milk, I'm not sure of -- I stopped looking once we started getting the organic stuff.

(Two bean burritos at Taco Bell are $2.11.)

1 gal gas holds fast at $3.00, but this is considered a massive spike (pre-Katrina, I could get it for $2.54/gal).

We don't pay for heating. We pay for air-conditioning. Our power bills this summer ranged around $140-$200/mo. In the winter, it's less because we can open our windows.

Public transportation here is largely a joke -- there's a decent rail that'll get you to airports some of the time, but everywhere except Miami, there's minimal to no support once you reach your station -- the buses run on weird schedules if they run at all, and everything is built miles away from everything else.

Health insurance -- I'd have to check my last pay stub. I want to say $80 for two weeks, but that's really just a guess. It's a family policy, too, so that might throw figures off.
 
 
COG
22:00 / 14.09.05
Valencia; Spain. Cheaper than Madrid & Barcelona
Rent 200€ inc all bills (and use of broadband) for 1 room of a 2 bedroom small flat. Unreal compared to the 400 pounds + bills I will be shelling out as of from next month. Shit.
Food, about 2/3 price of UK
1l beer=1€
wine, as cheap as 2€ for a drinkable bottle.
Transport - Metro pass for 10 journeys in central zone 5.40€
Train to Barcelona - 55€ return
It rocks here, why am I leaving again?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:03 / 14.09.05
$6 for a sixpack of beer!?

Try getting on for $6 for a pint of beer. London bye ta-ta...
 
 
■
22:11 / 14.09.05
Yeah, but I've paid the best part of $5 for a beer in DC. That good old two-drink minimum in comedy clubs. There's another import we don't need.
 
 
ghadis
22:19 / 14.09.05
Well, let's not be too harsh on London.

You can get a pint for under £1.50, a cheap curry at £2.99, no crappy music blaring out, no T.V and great conversation with intersting old timers at Wetherspoons all over town!

Then of course there is the Bottle-Bank night out
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:30 / 15.09.05
It looks like we all have to brush up our spanish muy rápidamente!
 
 
mondo a-go-go
15:57 / 04.10.05
FUCKINGFUCKINGFUCKINGFUCK

(I know I should post this in the headsick thread, too, but it seems appropriate here)

Ken Livingstone wants to hike London's fares up even more.

"World's most expensive

"This proposed fares package focuses on halving the number of cash journeys made in 2006 to speed up journeys and improve the efficiency of the network," he said.

He conceded the new single Tube fare of £3 would probably be the most expensive in the world."


Ken Livingstone makes me angrier and angrier on a daily fucking basis at the moment. I'd probably be even more angry if I'd voted for him! Cunt.
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:51 / 04.10.05
That´s expensive!

I looked up the prices here. It´s 2,10 - 2,60 €, depending what part of town you´re traveling.

That´d be 1.42 - 1.76 £. So here, you´d pay half the price.

And for 407 £, you could use all services every day for one year.
 
 
Baz Auckland
17:02 / 04.10.05
Toronto:

Rent runs about $400-600 (£193-290) for say, a room in a shared flat, about $800 (£388) for a 1bdrm and $1100 for a 2 bedroom (£533)

Minimum wage is $7.15 p/hour (£3.50)

Gas is around $1 a litre (48p), and everyone's screaming about it. (it was about $.75 in the summer)

Public transit is $2 (£1) a ride, or $97 (£47) for a monthly pass

Beer is about $4-7 (£2-3) in a pub, depending on the beer and the bar. From the Beer Store, a 24 is about $24(£11) for the small breweries, or $40(£19) for the brand names. Guinness and import cans run about $2-2.50(£1) for 0.5l

Pretty cheap compared to London, but I miss living in Berlin with its cheap cheap rent and cheap and oh so delicious food, and its cheap public transit which ran so well... especially the dirt cheap chocolate and beer!

I was paying €275 a month in rent for an ultra-hip flat in East Berlin! True, it was coal-heated, and the shower was in the kitchen, and the bathroom was downstairs, but still! (sigh)
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:39 / 04.10.05
There´s no more of flats like these in east Berlin left. Because Friedrichshain and Prenzlauer Berg became so hip, the hip people can´t afford to live there anymore.

The price I have to pay for having cheap rent is constantly being dissed for living in a sock off boring part of town.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:44 / 04.10.05
This worldwide cost of living survey rates 144 cities across six continents, based on the cost of over 200 items, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment.

According to it, Tokyo and Osaka are the most expensive, comparatively, to live in. London is third.

The full table rating all 144 countries is here. New York is 13th. Glasgow is 40th. San Francisco 50th.

I'm a bit confused that Douala in Cameroon appears to be more expensive than Istanbul and Amsterdam. Dakar in Senegal trumps Munich and Berlin. Wondering at that, as the site claims their data are used to help multinational companies and governments determine compensation allowances for their expatriate employees.
 
 
w1rebaby
17:57 / 04.10.05
It should be noted that the three pounds is the *cash* fare - if you use an Oyster card (a pre-paid smart card) the price is actually going down, to half that. And it caps the price per day so you never end up paying more than the cost of a one-day travelcard.

Basically it's a move to try to get people to use Oyster cards more. They're way cheaper to deal with than cash, the logistics of dealing in cash are nightmarish compared to smartcards.

Public transport in this country is still much too expensive though, while the real cost of motoring has gone down. When you look at transport outside of London it's even worse. Rail privatisation has really hit hard and buses in most parts of the country are terrible.
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:20 / 04.10.05
The full table rating all 144 countries is here. New York is 13th. Glasgow is 40th. San Francisco 50th.

That list is unrealistic.

Berlin just after Munich and above Hamburg, two of our most expensive cities? No way.
 
 
dubmick
20:43 / 04.10.05
I like the way everyone (exept us*) in the Eurozone uses comma's instead of decimal points e.g 2,50 €




* us being the Irish
 
 
Ariadne
22:03 / 04.10.05
This seems a bit too simple - unless you factor in average wages, it means nothing, surely?
London, for instance, is very expensive. But if you look at what you get paid in London compared to elsewhere in the UK, or in Berlin, or Boston, what effect does that have?
 
 
Baz Auckland
22:49 / 04.10.05
I'm a bit confused that Douala in Cameroon appears to be more expensive than Istanbul and Amsterdam. Dakar in Senegal trumps Munich and Berlin. Wondering at that, as the site claims their data are used to help multinational companies and governments determine compensation allowances for their expatriate employees.

Maybe the list is more geared toward the cost of having your ex-pat employee live as they're accustomed to, than the actual cost for people living there...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
00:01 / 05.10.05
I think Ariadne's got a point. So I'll put in an example that's somewhat dated now, and may not quite work as well as people want, but eh.

My experience with London, when I first moved was thus:

I was in Australia, earning something like $AU38,000. Which isn't huge, but it isn't bad. I got offered a job in London, and was offered 19.5k in GBP. Which, I figured, because of the exchange rate, was about $A60,000, which would be whack-o and excitement.

Until I moved there.

Basically, I found that everything I had to buy in London had the same numerical value as if I'd bought it in Australia. Only there was a pound symbol in front of it, rather than a dollar sign. IE: say it's two bucks for a serve of chips at a greasy takeaway in Sydney, it'd be two quid for the same thing (if not slightly more) at that greasy shithole up the end of Oxford St. So in effect, I'd essentially knocked a whole amount of cash off my wage, but still had to spend the same amount on living. Which ain't fun.

I guess this anecdote highlights the experience of living in the two, so comparison's possible. I don't know if you can particularly do it any other way.

But a couple of basic costs, now I'm back (all in the Aussie dollar - which is worth 76c US, 43p, .64 Euro and 12,086 Vietnamese dong today, according to xe.com):

Petrol's currently through the roof, at about $1.30 per litre.
Milk is about $1.70 per litre.
A loaf of bread, depending on fanciness, will cost between $2 and $4.
A schooner of beer costs $3.20 - $4.50, depending. A pint (slightly larger) begins at about $4.
600ml softdrink or water can cost up to $3, depending on where you get it.
Eating out, a reasonable main will cost about $15. The more ritzy you want to get, the higher it goes.

Rent for my place, which I share with my fiancee, is $330pw, though we pay per calendar month. I don't know the size of the house, but it's a terrace with two bedrooms, a study, a loungeroom, a dining room/kitchen and a nice backyard. (And a hedge, but I think they threw that one in for nix.)

My health insurance, which is single, relatively-healthy-bloke (ha!) stylee, costs about $40 per fortnight.

Mobile contract is about $50 per month, though I always go over.

My railcard, which gets me through a 45-minute journey daily, costs $28 per week. But if you buy a return ticket for the same journey for one day, curiously, it's $7.20.

Electricity is roughly $160 per quarter, depending on season.

And on it goes. If this helps.
 
  

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