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What's the stupidest falling out you've ever had?

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

14:59 / 13.09.05

I'm not talking to one of my friends. He started bullshiting about martial arts and I told him Ki energy was a bunch of shit and his instructor was ripping him the fuck off.

I "offended his belief system", apparently.

15:22 / 13.09.05

I once split up with a girl because we got in huge argument after she agreed with the Prince of Wales' views about science. Not my finest hour.

Tryphena Absent

15:38 / 13.09.05

I wouldn't normally join in a conversation like this but my friend told me that she's "not a feminist" and I haven't really bothered to talk to her since then. She did offend my belief system.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

15:40 / 13.09.05

Does she understand what feminisim actually is? I had to explain to a girl I know that it doesn't equate to reverse sexisim...

Tryphena Absent

15:50 / 13.09.05

She knows exactly what it is, she just wishes she was stupid.

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16:31 / 13.09.05

Hey Rick— did he stop talking to you because you had a different opinion, or because it was (for example) the fiftieth time you'd dismissed his opinions as stupid? Because, you know, it makes a difference to me.

My first lover and I would get into raging fights about roleplaying game systems and computers, but nothing else. Basically because we needed something to fight about that wasn't serious or threatening in any way.

16:49 / 13.09.05

"offended his belief system"

did you ever try telling your christian friends that prayer is a bunch of shit and that their priest is just ripping them off?

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

17:00 / 13.09.05

Because a self-defense system and a faith are exactly the same?

Magic Dragon Ball Z force doesn't stop punches.

Actually, if his church was filling him full of shite and making him pay for the honour I'd tell him he was being fucking ripped off too. I told him that at the time. He has his head in the clouds and some very naive ideas about eastern philosophy and his instructor is reeling him in.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

17:01 / 13.09.05

And you spent some time (say, at least six months to a year) practicing in a couple of techniques that use the Ki/Chi model to see what happened, before you started going around telling people it was shit and a ripoff, right? I mean, whether or not you accept Ki energy as a literal fact, you'll at least have experimented within that theoretical model to see what effect it had before you started knocking it. Right?

Just asking.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

17:07 / 13.09.05

(Not that the friend couldn't be a rube and the instructor a dodgy bastard, of course. These two character types do have a way of finding each other.)

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

17:08 / 13.09.05

In the context, I can't see it being used as a learning tool. In any case, it's outdated - why not base the fundimental principles of boxing around old wives' tales?

We're made of blood, breath and bone. We know more about the body now - how it works, etc. If people are going to go around thinking they're capable of walking away from a fight they need to be grounded. Lots of people at sites like Bullshido single out mentions of Ki as a sign of a McDojo - and those places can get you fucked up really badly.

When he says to me "how is it a martial artist can kill you with one kick unless he disrupted your Ki?" how am I supposed to respond to that other than "because he hit me hard in the armpit, you stupid fuck?"

Less searchable M0rd4nt

17:13 / 13.09.05

Yeah, sounds a bit like a stupid fuck then. But I'd still say that dismissing the Ki model as an "old wive's tale" is a bit bollocks. I don't necessarily accept Ki as really-real, but I find that kind of model a useful visualisation tool for some purposes. (Mind you, I don't do martial arts yet.)

17:16 / 13.09.05

There are probably a couple of other ways you know, you excitable young man, you.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

17:16 / 13.09.05

And "because he hit me hard in the armpit" isn't really a good answer, is it? I mean, if I were to kick someone really hard in the armpit, they'd probably just say "Ow!" and maybe paste me one, depending on the circumstances. I demand anatomical explanations--with diagrams!

17:17 / 13.09.05

Hm. Ours have always tended to be quite serious: y'know, they start off as a dispute about me wanting to go on and Xoc wanting to go home, then escalate in direct proportion to Alcohol Consumed. Not good.

Much better at these fallings out these days. The last time I got horribly horribly horribly drunk, I took myself off to bed before an argument. Must be getting old...

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

17:23 / 13.09.05

And "because he hit me hard in the armpit" isn't really a good answer, is it? I mean, if I were to kick someone really hard in the armpit, they'd probably just say "Ow!" and maybe paste me one, depending on the circumstances. I demand anatomical explanations--with diagrams!

It's an opening in the bone structure, near the stuff that your ribcage is supposed to protect - lungs, heart. You'd have to angle it right, I imagine, but when I did TKD (I was shite, by the way - my legs were too palsied to do the flying kicks) we were always told not to fuck around with the armpit.

Solar Plexus is nasty too, you can wind someone badly even with a soft punch. Dad told me it was over a nerve ganglia, when he got his breath back.

The Natural Way

17:44 / 13.09.05

Nina, re the "wishes she were stupid" thing - oh how I sympathise w/ u. So fucking annoying.

17:47 / 13.09.05

When I fall out with people it's never stupid. They're always in the wrong and have to be told that they're the stupid ones. And I'm usually drunk. And it all goes downhill from there.

I have no friends left.

Tryphena Absent

18:53 / 13.09.05

So fucking annoying.

Yeah, I mean, what is this tendency to dumb yourself down that seems to be sweeping the nation? This is a woman with a very good degree in medieval history, she studied the suffragettes in depth at school. She knows that women couldn't wear trousers acceptably until about 50 years ago. She knows that one hundred years ago women couldn't own property. She knows that women can't inherit aristocratic land directly, she knows about the glass ceiling. She's well educated but she's "not a feminist." I just can't be dealing with that little thought.

And I'm purged... again... am I ever not going to be incredibly annoyed by this?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:01 / 13.09.05

That's one of the most annoying things anyone can come out with.

Mon Oncle Ignatius

21:15 / 13.09.05

The stupidest was definitely with Stoatie. It was during our twenties though, the period of not really remembering very well. It lasted a what seems like a very long time - what, about 4 years? - and had no real rationale beyond stubborness and immaturity on both out parts. Thankfully it is soooo long gone and probably all part of an extended comedown from one chemical imbalance or another that it's forgotten entirely now. Well, except at moments like this, obviously.

I must admit though, I found it weird seeing pictures of Stoatie and Biscuits when they were both younger when we were reminscing about her the other week on the anniversary of Biscuits' death. It hit me then that I'd missed out on a whole chunk of their lives. Still, since we neither of us really remember those years very well anyhow, I guess it is alleviated somewhat by concluding that we'd only have been drunk/wasted/etc, but probably at the same places and the same times more often than we already were.

21:55 / 13.09.05

did you ever try telling your christian friends that prayer is a bunch of shit and that their priest is just ripping them off?

yebbut i don't seem to have many christian friends left... they seem to wander off bewildered that i could countenance such a stance, shaking their head slowly from side to side, drifting away from me, careful not to see me again. can't work out why they won't discuss it...

really, friends are going to be those people who don't hold it against you for having diametric views on some things. if you find something to come between you, then maybe you're not meant to be good friends..? mebbe you could write your friend a letter, rick, and ask him to explain why this belief is so important to him...?

people are just strange. just this morning my recent ex-s/o of over nine years told me of her hate for me now 'for ruining us': just last week we were speaking of future reconciliation and now this; without provocation, seemingly. people, hrmph. i give up - don't take it to heart! s'all i can think...

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

07:19 / 14.09.05

The stupidest was definitely with Stoatie.

Yes, that was really quite bad. But great when it finished!

11:38 / 14.09.05

The stupidest falling out I ever had... in college I was good friends with a girl from a very wealthy family (and I from blue-collar middle class). We moved in together and, predictably, fell out over money. Who owed how much for what, blah blah, very stupid. It all ended up with me self-righteously laying judgment on her character (you're selfish! you're sheltered! you're totally self-absorbed!), she graciously conceding that I was right (at which point I really should have caved & apologized but did not), and that was it. I lost a friend. Forever. I still regret it every time I think of her. Money, for crap's sake.

22:18 / 16.09.05

I once broke up with a girl because she pointed out that I was losing a football computer game...it was more about the timing of it all, but dress it up though I might, it still boils down to the fact that I dumped her because she pointed out that I was losing a football computer game.

11:22 / 17.09.05

Oh man. I was friends with this guy for 5 years. We didn't talk for almost a year. Eventually I sent him a heartfelt email to catch up with him. What did he do? He sent me a fucking CLUB FLYER. I told him to go fuck himself and that he was a pathetic piece of shit. Not just stupid but sad.

12:25 / 17.09.05

Had a close friend with a gay guy in the Netherlands.

We got in a fight over 9/11.

A year later, I realised he was right, but now I can't get a hold of him to tell him that.