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pacha perplexa
10:52 / 17.12.01
Please, don't laugh.

This is for those of you who believe in twin souls, or in the existence of people so perfect to each other that they'll never set appart once they're together: have you ever tryed sigilizing, spelling, ritualizing or making "search my babe" servitors to find yours?

Have you? How do I do that? Do yoy think this is a ridiculous idea? Please, tell me why.

I wouldn't ask this here if it wasn't Barbelith. Thanks in advance.
 
 
Bear
11:02 / 17.12.01
I think I have the perfect ritual for you.. give me a few minutes...

ok here we go, is this the kind of thing your looking for -

There's also some nice stuff about soul mates and a ritual -

Soul Mate

[ 17-12-2001: Message edited by: KaosBeaR ]
 
 
Ierne
11:38 / 17.12.01
Isn't the "twin souls" concept sort of that one is only half of *something* and *somewhere out there* is the other half that will *make one whole*?

I tend to think more along the lines that everyone has a connection to each other, and we can choose to strengthen or weaken those connections. We're all part of the same thing, so it seems a bit wasteful to sit around waiting for *that special someone*.

Pacha: I'd never laugh AT you, only WITH you!
 
 
Bear
12:23 / 17.12.01
Yup thats what the link touches upon

quote: In many cultures have a concept of a soul mate, an ideal compliment to an individual in heart, mind and genitals. Sometimes this ideal compliment is referred to as the "other half." Aristophanes, in Plato's Symposium, describes the soul mate as being an actual physical entity - that humans were originally of three genders man, woman and androgynous:

...the primeval man was round, his back and sides forming a circle; and he had four hands and four feet, one head with two faces, looking opposite ways, [190a] set on a round neck and precisely alike; also four ears, two privy members, and the remainder to correspond. He could walk upright as men now do, backwards or forwards as he pleased, and he could also roll over and over at a great pace, turning on his four hands and four feet, eight in all, like tumblers going over and over with their legs in the air; this was when he wanted [190b] to run fast. Now the sexes were three, and such as I have described them; because the sun, moon, and earth are three; and the man was originally the child of the sun, the woman of the earth, and the man-woman of the moon, which is made up of sun and earth, and they were all round and moved round and round like their parents.

Out of fear of these human prototypes the great Demiurge Zeus decided to split these beings into two to limit their power and ensure His own safety -- before these dangerous roly poly creatures should decide to scamper up Mount Olympus and claim a piece of Divinity for their own. Zeus charged Apollo with the duty of bisecting the humans. The neck was turned around so that this new incomplete body would be able to fully view itself -- as a continual reminder of what it had lost. Thus, these strange quadrupeds were made into bipeds. And they were lonely.



Possible a bit big that quote but I do suggest reading the article - interesting stuff
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:24 / 17.12.01
Try sigilizing for someone you need and needs you. I did, she's great, and I love her. We compliment each other real well and our lives have changed drastically. It only took a few months after sigilization. Try it.
 
 
De Selby
15:45 / 17.12.01
or better yet, just ask for someone who makes you happy. If you're with someone who makes you happy, then I doubt you'll be worrying about a soul mate.

at least then you don't have to worry about the daunting issues of souls, and whether or not we HAVE soul mates.

Or people laughing at you for that matter...
 
 
pacha perplexa
19:55 / 17.12.01
Ok, lemme explain myself better: i'm with a self-esteem problem, that's obvious. But not because I find myself ugly, or stupid. It's just that I don't seem to have any luck with men, been having so much trouble and suffering from them lately that I almost had a breakdown, these days.

Then I realized that what I really want is
- someone who needs me the same way I need him.
- who likes women.
- who awakens the chemicals in my brain (and I'm not just talking about sex. Intelligence and the ability to laugh and make laugh are great stimulants).

But, oh dear, those guys seem to have vanished. Worse: I don't think I ever saw one of those in my life (with the all three characteristics at once).

So I've been jumping between relationships, and there's always so much suffering... I can't deal with it anymore. I know it's ok, it's part of life, but I can't. And I'm not asking much!

That's why I wished that, for one moment, there was a twin soul of mine (or several twin souls, cause I KNOW there's lots of guys out there who fullfill the requiremens), wandering around, and if I just made a sigil or sth, I'd bump into him right after the corner.

Bear: thanks for the link, hon (didn't know the site)! Very interesting on the legend-historical aspect. If I decide to make a ritual, though, I'll have to change some stuff. I don't want the perfect guy for me, it'd be boring.

As I said, just want to
find one of those, without the need to specify his religious preferences, or anything like that. It should be a little more (if that's possible) spontaneous.

Ierne! Always there when I'm in need! So, when are you coming to Brasil?

I agree with you that
everyone has a connection to each other, and we can choose to strengthen or weaken those connections. We're all part of the same thing, so it seems a bit wasteful to sit around waiting for *that special someone*.
But some people just "fix" so well in each other that... Dunno... Argh, will have to meditate on that, later. Promisse.

Impulsive: you really did it? And it worked... This is great!! Congrats! See? That's what I've been looking for. Thanks!

Alex: Hi! You're probably right. In the end, what matters is to be complete, to feel joy in a relationship, with no worries, no low self-esteem. That's fine for a sigil, then.

Once again, I thank you all for your help (it isn't the first time you people save this damsel in distress). Such good ideas and thoughts... dunno what I'd do without you!

  
 
Ierne
09:50 / 18.12.01
I'm with a self-esteem problem, that's obvious. But not because I find myself ugly, or stupid. It's just that I don't seem to have any luck with men... -- Pacha Version 2.0

Hey pacha: The crux of your problem is right there. Not the inability to find men -- the low self-esteem. THAT'S what you need to work on, and the rest will fall in place. You gotta love yourself before anyone else will

So once I get home I'll look into some self-esteem raising spells for you!

So, when are you coming to Brasil?

Aah...Ierne the international jet-setter...from New York to Chicago to Frisco, from Miami to Rio, from Aberdeen to the Isle of Wight...

I'd love to go to Brasil, I've never been.
 
 
Tamayyurt
09:50 / 18.12.01
quote: from Miami to Rio

Let me know... you have friends in the right places
 
 
Bear
09:50 / 18.12.01
Weird seeing Aberdeen and Rio mentioned in the same sentance..

Pacha, I suffer from low self esteem also.. one thing I've been trying is to invoke the more confident side of myself (the way I get when I'm drunk) - it think its working, but I think it'll take awhile - maybe you could try something like that?
 
 
mondo a-go-go
09:50 / 18.12.01
>sigh< right now, my self-esteem is plummeting way down in the pits and out of control. but everyone always sees/expects me to be happy-go-lucky and devil-may-care. so i try and keep that way because there is something of a circle that if i'm the confident bubbly one who appears to have bags of self-esteem, it does tend to have an upward effect in the way people react towards me. but it also does feel like a strain to stay upbeat, sometimes.


quote:Originally posted by pacha version 2.0:
I realized that what I really want is
- someone who needs me the same way I need him.
- who likes women.
- who awakens the chemicals in my brain (and I'm not just talking about sex. Intelligence and the ability to laugh and make laugh are great stimulants).


god, i meet men like this all the time. but not on a longterm intimate one-on-one level. they always have girlfriends. or they're gay. or they live on the other side of the planet. or they've just come out of a longterm relationship and they don't want anything serious.

so, i do have some very good *friends. but sometimes it would be nice to have "more". (not always though; i think i'm actually enjoying the single life, mostly)

*male. i have yet to meet the woman that gives me the same ZING! no doubt she's out there somewhere, though
 
 
pacha perplexa
19:56 / 18.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:

So once I get home I'll look into some self-esteem raising spells for you!


Thank you!! I've tryed it once with octarine spells, and it seemed to work (so well, in fact, that even people I didn't want to talk to would call me everyday). But this wasn't related to self esteem, was it?
Yeah, maybe I need to see myself with more pride, and not just want to be liked by others.


I'd love to go to Brasil, I've never been.

It's a crazy country, worth visiting for many reasons. Makes you love it and hate it at the same time... I intend to buy an appartment in two years, then I'll invite 'lithers to stay there!

But if any of you happen to come here before that, I could be your guide.
That'd be very cool

Bear, I certainly will try. And I'm no the only one who needs it, eh Kookie?

I'm feeling just like you do. And I know how exausting it is to keep a social fic suit, when you just can't drop it because the sad, disapointed, stressed Kookie is NOT what people expect. Aaaarrr!!

And men "like this", I've met some too. But, guess what, they're gay or already with someone (or both), or they're too distant (the virtual ones).

Why, oh, why is it so difficoult???
The worst is that I can't go out and get someone, any john, for the fun of it because then I'd feel frustrated (most of them are frustrating) and would feel like I'm, y'know, using someone to satisfy me while I don't find Mr. Demigod guy.

Where are you, you bastard? Show yourself! Now!

  
  
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