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ZF!
10:46 / 09.09.05
I've been on here only a short while, but I've just noticed there's an exceeding amount of references to Stoke Newington. What's that about? I live there myself, but I see no reason for there to be such a cluster of people in one area also on Barbelith. I mean what about Crouch End? :-)

Just curious.

Z
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:59 / 09.09.05
It rocks.
Also TangoMango organises gigs here, which is one of the reasons it pops up so much in the Gathering.

Another Stokey 'lither, hmm? Soon we shall rule the world...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:00 / 09.09.05
(Just to add- he doesn't only do and play gigs here, but cos he lives here a disproportionate amount of them are local. Sorry, TM- didn't want to make you seem all parochial).
 
 
doozy floop
11:41 / 09.09.05
It's just a superior sort of place.

What about Crouch End?

Is it nice there?

(I don't stray from the 73 bus route much...)
 
 
ZF!
11:53 / 09.09.05
What about Crouch End?

Is it nice there?


Well it's no Stoke Newington :-), but it's got the same feel to it, bit grimy, lots of lesbians, lots of night places...

...if it weren't for the proximity to Muswell Hill, I'd say Crouch End was Stokie's spiritual sister. Because of Muswell Hill, I'd say it's more of a slightly wealthier (by marriage) cousin. :-)

Z
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
12:39 / 09.09.05
Woah...I lived in Crouch End for two years and I swear I was the only lesbian in the village...there seems to be an inordinate amount of ex-Eastenders stars around there though.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:44 / 09.09.05
I dunno, I used to live in Finsbury Park, just down the road from Crouch End, and it always struck me as being full of yuppies.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:56 / 09.09.05
Sorry, TM- didn't want to make you seem all parochial

SN has got a huge parochial thing going on though, it has to be said. Because I've lived around here for a very long time, either in Stoke Newington proper or Stmaford Hill/Clapton and went to school in Highbury, the whole place is ingrained in me to a potentially unhealthy degree.

I also like organising gigs in places where I can walk home easily!

Stoke Newington is perhaps becoming more like Crouch End, and a little bit more like Islington has become - but with better cultural stuff going on, of course. Let's hope it never becomes at all like Highgate or Hampstead though. The downside is that Starbucks (I think) are rumoured to be looking around for suitable premises, but that's been true for a long time. There is also a similar contrast between the wealthier middle classes who have generally moved here over the last 10 years, and the long term inhabitants of the housing estates who have melted much more into the background as the area's reputation has become much more associated with a certain level of villagey ponciness. So it goes - places change dynamically in London, and I still like living here a lot, despite some recent unpleasantness which is enough to put anyone off stepping outside.

Both Stoatie and I lived here when it was decidedly unfashionable or trendy, but was super-cheap (if rat- and cockroach-infested), and that's why it was the place it was - students and artists needed somewhere inexpensive to live, and bundled with a history of dissent and radicalism, and here they found a very suitable place to stay. The Booths are buried in Abney Park Cemetary, Daniel Defoe lived here, Edgar Allan Poe went to school about 200m from my house, and those are only the most famous past inhabitants. Never mind that the Angry Brigade were arrested here - oh, and Marc Bolan was born on Stoke Newington Common (well, probably in a house nearby).
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:59 / 09.09.05
I dunno, I used to live in Finsbury Park, just down the road from Crouch End, and it always struck me as being full of yuppies.

Really? When was that? I have worked there the for last 10 years, and while it's getting less rough and ready, it's still a bit of a shithole generally in Finsbury Park...

Though thinking about it's not difficult to find a latte there, decent or otherwise.
 
 
ZF!
13:03 / 09.09.05
Woah...I lived in Crouch End for two years and I swear I was the only lesbian in the village...there seems to be an inordinate amount of ex-Eastenders stars around there though.

I've never actually lived in Crouch End, so maybe my impressions of it are those of a day tripper. The lesbian that I knew that lived there worked at Slimelight. You haven't ever worked at Slimelight before have you? Just in case you *were* the only lesbian in the village. :-)

Mmm, Crouch End probably is full of yuppies and television people, but so is Stoke Newington, this is my point. I mean yuppies, they're the people with the three wheeled off terrain prams right? Loads of them. As for telly people, one of those Footballers Wives lives here. Isn't David Gray supposed to live on Albion road somewhere too?

Z
 
 
doozy floop
13:57 / 09.09.05
Yes, I've heard the David Gray/Albion Road rumour too. I found it mildly upsetting, although if it turns out that he lives in that brilliant pink and green house I might have a new-found respect for him.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
21:08 / 09.09.05
Some while back, a close compatriot from elsewhere (Walthamstow, or WoHo as it has become dubbed) suggested redrafting the sparse lyrics of La Dusseldorf's self-titled song from the album of the same name to "Stoke Newington/Stoke Newington/Stoke NEWington" (chugga chugga chugga etc. ad infinitum).

This probably only makes sense if you've heard LaD of course. Imagine NEU! but more weird and even a tad poppier, and another major influence on Stereolab's early sound.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
06:21 / 10.09.05
Stoke Newington also has what I feel is a London phenomena which is this: Everyone knows everyone. I am in a uniquish position of owning a business here which boasts about 700-1000 local clients and so of course it's impossilbe for me to walk down Church St without running into at least a few at any given time, but I am not alone in this oddity. Everyone says the same happens to them and so we in N16 do not suffer/benefit from the general anonimity usually associated with London living. To further that, the types of people who know each other (at least well enough for a passing hat tip) are so varried as to be a bit surprising at the least. This ranges up and down the scale of veteran hippies, stock brokers, all youth subcultures, yuppies, artists, medical profs, the whole of academia, bikers, wiccans, junkies, old goths, small time entrepreneurs, etc. Of course everyone in Stoke Newington is a parent, or is about to be. Allegedly N16 has the highest number of under-5's of anywhere else in western Europe. Parenthood is a bonding glue.Thing is, if someone in Stoke Newington doesn't have a child, they do have a guitar, or a lovely voice, or are in a band which is playing this week somewhere on or near Church St, and all the parents are getting babysitters to go see them. We have to support them because of course, sooner or later they will drink the water , get preggo, and boom, their children are coming over after school with our's. But more than that, Stokie is stockied with a shockingly odd cross section of humanity and for the most part, they all seem to get along and even take pride in the variety of life here. Of course this all falls down when one gets beaten up by disaffected 14 year-olds as happened to me recently, and there is a false sense of safety enjoyed by most in light of the fact that there are so many muggings, robberies and house burgularings. Everyone seems to shrug these off(especially the police-pigs) as happening everywhere anyway, at least we have a sense of community, etc.
As for the show biz folks, absolutely everyone who is anyone in the underworld of entertainment lives here. Not so many of the stars perhaps, but all of the directors, producers, and behind the scene folks of all sorts live in N16. We also share a community sort of sense of bafflement that we are joined by a huge community of hasid's who operate nearly oblivious to non-hasids, but side by side. I've learned recently tho that N16 has grown too small and so a new hasidic community is being started in Milton Keynes. Perhaps the Stokettes should consider? hmmm.
Of course we don't have a tube, so you might not know all this exists.
Perhaps it doesn't. Re-reading this post has made me think two things:
I think I'll start a dusk walking tour so pm me if you want to learn more.
Of course I could just become an estate agent.
 
 
Brigade du jour
07:07 / 10.09.05
Tsk, you North Londoners. You make me feel so ... dirty.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:54 / 10.09.05
Of course, it'll all turn to shit when they dig up the Lea Valley for the fucking Olympics, by which time I wanna be relocated to Iceland.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
11:00 / 10.09.05
%All this talk of Stokey is a bit... Hackneyed%

Of course we don't have a tube, so you might not know all this exists.

There's always Dalston Kingsland.

As far as all the crime goes, I still feel safer walking around at night there than in Kensal Rise/Willesden.

...

Is it true about the Bye-laws that stop chain stores opening on Church Street?
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:05 / 10.09.05
There's always Dalston Kingsland.

It'll be a while before the tube goes there direct, though the North London Line is pretty good - it also goes to Highbury which is now a short bus hop away. Don't forget there is the much-neglected Stoke Newington BR station from Liverpool Street. Anyhow, buses are better!

As far as all the crime goes, I still feel safer walking around at night there than in Kensal Rise/Willesden.

I do generally, and I've lived in Cricklewood/Kilburn directions too, never mind the fun night's walking area which is Clapton, but there have been incidents here which are enough to make anyone wary of being out and about. I've always been careful anyhow, wherever I've lived, but sometimes there are wankers about you just can't avoid easily.

Is it true about the Bye-laws that stop chain stores opening on Church Street?

Bye-laws? I doubt it. Fresh & Wild is a chain.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:40 / 10.09.05
And don't forget - Morning Bride tonight at the Others, 6-8 Manor Road. I may or may not be there, but will try.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
15:00 / 12.09.05
I've always loved you, Lilly, but your post! I must crush you!
 
 
mondo a-go-go
15:02 / 12.09.05
Oh, and... I don't live in Stokey, but I did live there when I was a very very small child (some of my earliest memories involve Clissold Park), and I do spend a lot of time there now, due to the number of people I know who live there...
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
16:58 / 12.09.05
Why thank you Anna. Perhaps you'll visit us in Stokey soon as I forgot to mention that once you're here, you're never allowed to leave.
O what will crush all the way flat first? N16 nightlife I reckon...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:22 / 12.09.05
I'm already getting separation anxiety about the place... and I'm not planning on leaving until 2011...
 
 
ZF!
10:51 / 13.09.05
Interesting stuff peoples, I've learned more about Stoke Newington on this board in the last few days than I have in the last 2 1/2 years I've lived here, AND I own The London Compendium! :-)

Z

P.S. Unless Gray is Italian, I don't think the pink and green house is his. We, well at least *I* can continue to feel disturbed by that prospect.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
12:14 / 13.09.05
Tsk, Lilly, you know very well that I have the special passport that allows me to enter and leave Stokey as much as I desire, which is why I always manage to make it home despite your constant (and generous) offers of a place to stay...
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
13:17 / 13.09.05
And of course there Mr Six and Kasla Kaebas in Stoke Newington.
 
  
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