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Any news on New Orleans inundation on voodoo (and other) folks?

 
  

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SteppersFan
20:39 / 06.09.05
I've been looking around Temple and haven't seen any threads on Katrina's impact on New Orleans' magical scene, which I think is pretty busy. Anyone heard anything?

Funny. Last year the Museum of Witchcraft gets inundated, this year one of the homes of hoodoo.

I don't fancy Greenwich's chances much.
 
 
Seth
21:00 / 06.09.05
I would imagine that anyone involved with it has either moved or passed away, either temporarily or permanently.
 
 
Tim Tempest
00:39 / 07.09.05
After a horrible storm or war, or anytime alot of people die, is there some sort of bad vibe or negative juju imprinted on the landscape? Because I feel little weird ripples near places where people have even just had fights. So, I guess this could turn into a spin-off topic, but if reality is our paper, then whenever we get erased, are little pencil marks left over afterward?

Off topic a little, I know. My bad.
 
 
daynah
10:06 / 07.09.05
Funny, New Orleans feels like "nothing" to me, where as I feel ripples -around- it. As if, perhaps, America were a piece of paper and you erased so hard on New Orleans that you wore a hole in it, and everything around it is jangled up. But that's just me being a crazy hippy, what do I know.

I'm not sure how it's affected the voodoo/other magic scene, but I know Michelle Belanger, a large figure in the vampire community has taken a hard emotional hit to it, and will probably lead a lot of the vampire community to care more about New Orleans than they would have of their own accord. She's also been sending other notes into mailing lists about it pretty constantly since the hurricane hit.

This is slightly humorous, because the vampire community has tended to dislike New Orleans. To us, it's been in so much literature associated with vampires, that we started hating the town simply because it was stereotypical and we didn't want to fit in a box. The vampires that did like the town were labeled different. Up until now that is.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:23 / 07.09.05
we started hating the town simply because it was stereotypical and we didn't want to fit in a box

*bites tongue*
No, wait. *Unbites tongue*

I'm sorry, but I don't even know where to start with that post. I don't want to be horrible because you're new and I'm a moderator and everything, but... Look, you're styling yourself a vampire (which is entirely your own affair, far be it for me to judge ect ect.) and you're telling us that heretofore you and your vampire chums decided to hate New Orleans because of that identity, but you've all decided to like it now because there was a flood?

Clue me in. Why does being a "vampire" stop you making your own mind up about stuff?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:33 / 07.09.05
Well if the "vampire community" has suddently started getting interested in New Orleans I'm sure all the problems they're having over there will get sorted out in a jiffy. I hear those guys are the business when it comes to disaster relief efforts. They're posting about it on mailing lists, you say? We'll all rest that little bit easier now, for sure.

Perhaps my position is a little hard line on this, but I genuinely believe that anyone who defines themselves as a vampire deserves a big fuck off stake through the heart.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:35 / 07.09.05
But that's just me being a crazy hippy, what do I know.

Evidently little.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:52 / 07.09.05
Now that's just harsh and uncalled for. If someone's highest ambition for themselves and their magical practice is to confine themselves into a narrow little box, who are we to judge?
 
 
diz
15:05 / 07.09.05
Now that we've heard from the vampires, how does the rest of the dragons, faeries, elves, and other members of the Otherkin community feel about the Big Easy?

What about furries? Can we get a little love for displaced furries, too?
 
 
Quantum
15:16 / 07.09.05
2stepfan- the Witchcraft museum wasn't too badly affected, the Xian bookshop in Boscastle was utterly destroyed. A local was quoted as saying 'Ar, the Devil protects his own.'

I cannot politely comment on otherkin. I cannot post anything about THE VAMPIRE COMMUNITY *at all* without making Gypsy look like a pussy who can't get off the fence so I am passing over it in silence, at great personal effort. Personal bugbear of enormous proportions, please excuse this explanation of me not saying something.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:49 / 07.09.05
What i get is this, a voice in the vampire community that cares about new orleans is trying to gather support, in all likely hood for those involved in the vampire community in new orleans and generally for the locale, i dont think shes trying to be jesus. just generally rally the community around to show support and reinforce a sense of community for her intrest group.

id overlook the comments that attemp to leech the life out of such sentiment and rob it of energy.
 
 
Chiropteran
16:12 / 07.09.05
Back on topic, there's some ongoing discussion on a couple of the hoodoo and Vodoun e-mail lists with updates about some of the prominent occult-related people and places in New Orleans and the surrounding area (S.A. Glassman, Priestess Miriam, etc.). I'll see if I can put together a summary, once I've worked through the backlog (both lists have exploded over the last week (right alongside my workload).
 
 
FinderWolf
16:43 / 07.09.05
I was wondering this too - a place with such a concentration of magickal energy going through such devastation...wondering about the spiritual/magickal ramifications for the area. Then again, you don't really hear much about ghosts or other unique things happening at the WTC site or in the neighborhood, do you...?
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:17 / 07.09.05
"If I'm gonna be miserable, I'd better be miserable right here," said Robert Johnson, 58, from his rundown house in the city's 9th Ward.

Martha Smith-Aguillard, 72, said she was brought against her will to an evacuation point at the city's wrecked convention centre. Her foot was swollen after she trod on a rusty nail and she said she needed a tetanus shot.

Nonetheless, she refused to board a government helicopter.

"They manhandled me and paid no mind to what I said. I ain't never been in no helicopter in my life, or no airplane, and I'm 72, I ain't starting now," she said.

"I'm not going to get that tetanus shot, so I guess I'll just have to die," she said, adding, "We're all going to die and if I'm going to die, it's gonna be right here in New Orleans."

(Additional reporting by Adam Entous in Washington)

The above is from reuters.

Sounds to me like new orleans still has alot of spirit and will fight to the end.
 
 
Ria
19:30 / 07.09.05
sounds pretty counter-survival to me. I hope someone changed her mind later or at least gave her that tetanus shot.
 
 
Unconditional Love
19:35 / 07.09.05
i was taken by the determination in the comments to remain in new orleans, the feeling i got was this is my home, i am not leaving it, this si my space my place my life is here everything that is me is here.

i agree its counter to survival instinct at a practical level, but it says a whole lot more to me about the struggle to keep new orleans alive and not abandon what it is.
 
 
daynah
19:39 / 07.09.05
Well roar back on you, too.

What about any other occult/magick associated communities that have connections with New Orleans? No others are really popping to my head, but there are other centers for voodoo (though of course not as strong) in America like Savannah, Georgia.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:37 / 08.09.05
To us, it's been in so much literature associated with vampires, that we started hating the town simply because it was stereotypical and we didn't want to fit in a box.

But...but... how will you sleep?
 
 
ghadis
09:18 / 08.09.05
But...but... how will you sleep?

In a coffin of course! (sorry...just had to!)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:34 / 08.09.05
Christ almighty.

Fit. In. A. Box. Like a wooden box. Like a coffin. Do. You. See.
 
 
ghadis
10:24 / 08.09.05
Ah yers...Missed that one...pretty slow this morning
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:58 / 08.09.05
People often are... disoriented.... on the first day. No, my childe, don't open the curtains. You would regret it. Thus begins your new life. Or should I say.... unlife?

Yes, please.... two..... sugars.....
 
 
doctorbeck
12:31 / 09.09.05
>a voice in the vampire community....

man, that is the best line i have read all week, sorry if this isn't the thread and could you direct me to the right one if it isn't but who the hell are the vampire community?

and is that the title they use to describe themselves?
 
 
Hroptr-Gagnrath
16:04 / 09.09.05
I'm not sure how it's affected the voodoo/other magic scene, but I know Michelle Belanger, a large figure in the vampire community...

First, I'm going to say I'm surprised how quick some of the individuals posting in this thread have been to mock the "vampire community" in earnest. It is not something I know very much about, and vampires I've met have seemed a bit silly, but I don't take that as enough reason to condemn the entire subculture.

Now, with that said, I'm also going to say that I have a hard time taking this Michelle Belanger person seriously, since when I followed the link, the first thing that catches my eye is the following:

You've seen Don Henrie on Mad, Mad House. Can't believe he's for real?

Don happens to be one of the vampires I've met on several occasions. He's also the most thoroughly pretensious individual I've ever encountered. I'm disturbed that he'd be the first thing she'd use as an example of a vampire. Yes, it could be because of his high visibility, being on a reality TV show that flopped, but I'd think he'd be the kind of person a prominent member of the vampire community would be somewhat ashamed of, because he makes the entire community look much sillier than it already does.
 
 
Hroptr-Gagnrath
16:10 / 09.09.05
Getting back on topic... I've been wondering about the voodou community in New Orleans as well. I'm also wondering what might happen if most of the surviving practitioners are very, very angry at certain people in positions of responsibility.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:36 / 09.09.05
Me too. I've been fantasising about a wave of voodoo curses sweeping through the corridors of power, furious Lwa taking vengance for their children... oh, if only.
 
 
Hroptr-Gagnrath
17:02 / 09.09.05
Heh, I've been doing the same, but was reluctant to admit it. A certain earlier issue of The Invisibles involving Baron Samedi and Baron Zaraquin comes to mind.
 
 
EvskiG
15:49 / 11.09.05
Getting back to the subject:

I'm not really plugged in to the scene, but articles around August 29 noted that John Martin of the Historic Voodoo Museum had remained in town. (His Burmese python had gone into hiding.) No word since then, but I'd hope he's OK since the French Quarter mostly stayed above water.

According to their website, Miriam and Allen of the Voodoo Spiritual Temple are out and safe.

No knowledge of the Voodoo Authentica folks.

Lepidopteran probably knows more.
 
 
archim3des
19:24 / 13.09.05
instead of "what's going to happen to the voodoo community in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina", i'm more inclined to ask , "how was the voodoo community in New Orleans involved in the happening of hurricane Katrina."

I live in Tampa, and the weekend after Katrina struck I wound up in jail after trying to shoplift two bottles of wine for a legba working. I spent 24 hours in the clink, and ever since I've been seeing ghost faces everywhere. Maybe i'm just cracking up.

also, as far as I know, the french quarter is the only part of town that wasn't totally submerged in water. coincidence? i have no idea. but its worth mulling over.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:36 / 13.09.05
I really don't see what the voodoo community would have to gain from trashing New Orleans, man.
 
 
Chiropteran
19:38 / 13.09.05
One interesting side-effect of the flood waters is that all kinds of buried or concealed spell bottles/packets have gotten unearthed or washed away, which likely means (in cat yronwode's opinion, at least) that the crossings, protections, break-up spells, etc. that those bottles sealed have also been cancelled out.

It makes you wonder if, all at once, people around the region suddenly got over chronic pains, or got it up for the first time in years, or realized they didn't really love the woman they left their wife and children for...
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:57 / 14.09.05
I live in Tampa, and the weekend after Katrina struck I wound up in jail after trying to shoplift two bottles of wine for a legba working.

Perhaps you should have paid for the offerings rather than trying to get something for nothing out of the Lwa. If you don't make adequate sacrifice, it is sometimes taken. Seems a more likely cause of your woes than the assumption that the collective residents of New Orleans decided to conjure up a natural disaster, murder themselves and obliterate their City off the map, no?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:50 / 14.09.05
I'm reminded of this quote from Bon Mambo Racine Sans Bout Sa Te La Daginen: 'In Haiti we say, "Konplo pi fo pase wanga", conspiracy is stronger than magic spells. In other words, what people do on the material plane can counter almost any magic.'
 
 
grant
14:45 / 15.09.05
the french quarter is the only part of town that wasn't totally submerged in water. coincidence?

No. The French Quarter is the oldest section of town because it's built the best on the highest ground close to the river. That's why they put it there.

I have a hunch there's actually more voodoo stuff going on the other side of Rampart from Vieux Carre, which *was* in an area that was flooded pretty badly.
 
 
rosie x
23:22 / 15.09.05
Hi everyone...I'm new and this is my first post, so do bear with me. I have several nice friends who post regularly, and I do enjoy lurking about from time to time...but never joined...as i tend to stay as far away from the laptop as humanly possible during my ever decreasing free time...

Nevermind all that though! The reason I'm posting is that I found this thread quite interesting. I'm from New Orleans originally...moved there from Atlanta as a youngun' and lived there until my teens. Nowdays I live in London.

I kept up good contacts in my home city over the years, and just though I'd share some news. For the most part, people have evacuated, and are currently scattered about the US biding their time until it's safe to return. Many people do plan to go back...

The most interesting news on the voodoo front so far, is that the homes of several reputable practitioners have remained entirely undamaged, despite being in heavily hit areas. In Gulfport, Brandi Kelley, of the lovely shop Voodoo Authentica, returned back to her neighbourhood after the storm, to find her home intact and standing. Likewise was the case with another young friend of ours...
who actually had it confirmed by the local authorites that her home had been leveled. Not so! She returned to find that things were fine...no flooding, or wind damage of any kind. Nevertheless it was the only place left standing for blocks...all the homes arounf her had been completely destroyed.

Dora and Wade, also of Authentica, are safe as well. Mr. Joshua Chance, one of the shop's most esteemed readers, moved house to California a week before the storm hit...after months of feeling it was "time to get outta New Orleans...I keep having dreams of sinking, drowning. Probably just internal stuff though and time for a change of scene". (Letter dated early August, 2005)

Still waiting on news of the shop premises itself...

However, things in general are far from alright. I hear little miracle stories like these from my friends in town, and that's just lovely...standing homes, narrow escapes, people safe in various cities... That don't eclipse the tragedy of this whole thing though. I've still several friends who are missing, but we figure at this point that no news may be good news...or at least we hope so.

I'm reminded of local artist and priestess Sallie Ann Glassman's rendering of good old Atu XVI in her loveley "New Orleans Voodoo Tarot". In most decks that's called the Tower. She entitled it "Deluge". The painting is of a levee breach, floodwater, an electrical tower falling into the Mississippi.

Ms. Glassman evacuated by the way, and is apparently safe.

Hard times...but...

Noted folklorist and collector of musical rarities Louis Maistros, and his partner, Elly (Hatian Hounsis-Kanzo initiate, and proprietress of a rather nice botanica) have stated:

"To our regular friends and customers: PLEASE DO NOT WORRY ABOUT US. We are OK. We will make it through this. We will not close down. We will come home and rebuild if necessary. Katrina can kiss my everlovin' New Orleanian #@ss.

Say a prayer for our city, and for those who didn't get out in time. Our hearts are broken, but we are by no means down for the count. Don't believe those who say New Orleans will never be the same. New Orleans will come back with avengeance. Bet on it."

More news as it arrives! x
 
  

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