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Kobol Strom
15:27 / 12.12.01
For the past two nights as I have been awakening from sleep,I have been experiencing
conscious awareness of the process from an objective viewpoint.
I have found that a
sequence of non-related images like a slide show initiates at the point where the mind
begins its journey to full waking consciousness.
Also,this morning I could see a flow chart
of memorized sounds increase in frequency in front of me.I could consciously replay selected sounds from tis chart by making a connection to the flow chart at a particular point.
I had a dream three nights ago that I was a robot,and that a piece of circuit technology was inserted into my head below my right ear.
Is there a possibility that a human mind can actually mutate towards a more logical consciousness by the practise of lucid dreaming?
Under similair
environmental circumstances,or under the influence of hallucinogens,can anyone else report on experiencing 'Logic' consciousness?-as opposed to ,but not excluding for the sake of comparison,'Chaos'
consciousness?.The latter being the experience of being immersed in,or experiencing a feeling involving semi-chaotic,television static style sensations.
 
 
cusm
16:03 / 12.12.01
quote:Originally posted by kobol strom:
can anyone else report on experiencing 'Logic' consciousness?


Yes, one of my favorite pursuits. I often try to examine the ways in which I think to understand the nature of consciousness, the function and process of cognitive processing, the seat of sentience, that sort of thing. Drives me crazy With psychedelics (I remind the audience here of the greek meaning of this word, "soul revealing"), I have entered such states to watch thought patterns and the like. Graphing conversations is an interesting one.

The best, was once when I was laying down to sleep, but my mind was still hyped up from the dirty E pill I had earlier. I lay there, exausted, slipping half into sleep but kept awake by the speed, and began to see my thinking. The layout was somewhat like a grid of squares, with a circle in the middle, and broken into 4 sides of different colors. Kind of like this:
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|\ /|
| O |
|/ \|
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Each region and the center was a different color. Kind of like bits, only with more possible states than 1 and 0. Each bit held a color as a state, and each node was like a byte, or a cluster of neurons.

In any case, thoughts trickled around by changing colors on the sides of adjacent nodes. A change on one would cause a change on another, and so patterns would trickle back and forth as thoughts made their way to where they were going.

It was really neat. I layed there for awhile and just watched my brain work, neurons madly firing from the drugs but with nowhere to go.
 
 
Dr. Vital
17:40 / 12.12.01
Just remember as you take this journey that what you're mapping out here is your own reality.

When it comes to representational systems (slide shows, flow charts, audio, etc.) these are the systems that your mind is using to organize *your* world.

It's also fun to figure out how other people's systems work, so you can play with them (Does thinking about those random images right now make you feel as if you're just waking up?).

BUT, these aren't universal experiences, they're personal. There are a limited number of systems to choose from, how your mind organizes them can vary wildly from person to person.

When I try and run your random slideshow for myself, I get a very dreamlike quality, but it doesn't feel like waking up. More like dreaming or meditating.

Can you describe the size of the images? Were the slides in front of you?

Also, how did you "connect" to your flowchart to play the sounds?
 
 
—| x |—
08:04 / 13.12.01
I think that lucid dreaming leads to paraconsistent logic consciousness (the type of logic that lets in contradictions). I sometimes wake from dreaming awash in a slow wave of this type of thing--similar, I think, to what you describe, but like Doc V. points out, more personal to me. Often images are of sets and negations of sets shifting through unions and intersections, slithering around like the snake in the Garden must have done! Other odd things like Mobius strip conjunctions of opposites: up and down, here and there, black and white, odd and even, etc. Squared circles, and other wacked-out, hyped-up geometrical patterns.

Once I awoke trapped in Zeno's paradox!
(I'm still only half way outta' that one)

Happy sailing,
4 + 11 = 0 (mod 5).
 
 
penitentvandal
08:14 / 13.12.01
Jesus. I only feel an irresistible craving for cornflakes...
 
 
Kobol Strom
16:13 / 13.12.01
quote: I layed there for awhile and just watched my brain work, neurons madly firing from the drugs but with nowhere to go.
Which begs the question,is it possible to effect changes of state,to interact with these processes?.

quote: Can you describe the size of the images? Were the slides in front of you?

The slides were moving past me into a nearby space,but apart from the images I can only remember darkness.The pictures were of people and places,and seemed to contain visual ideas,such as a woman in a running pose,a building from the outside surrounded by green gardens.They moved from left to right past my attention.


quote: Also, how did you "connect" to your flowchart to play the sounds?

The flowchart was in light blue ink on white,and started by drawing a box with a codeword inside,onto the 'white' and then another box and code under it,joined by a thin blue line.The creation of boxes joined together like the roots of a tree,and expanded with accelerated frequency.At about 'mormal' speed of chart generation,I consciously tried to 'touch' one of the boxes,but I remember thinking that I had made a connection like a circuit tester checks for current.The flow chart began to resemble a PCB(printed circuit board),and flowed faster till it became a river.As the information grew beyond conscious comprehension,sound filtered into my mind and as I woke up ,this became the background noise of actual reality.It felt like coming up from deep water and someone unplugging your ears.This wasn't completely passive though,I managed to remember the sound of a girls voice that I had randomly picked from the expanding list of remembered sounds.
The sounds we hear are all in memory,and it is the frequency of sound iterations that gives them credibility.As we approach wakefulness,the input is too strong,and like fishermen who've caught too many fish,we have to throw a lot of information away.The more useful information is stored in a kind of 'auditory startup program' that facilites sound recognition and recall in a conscious person.

quote. I sometimes wake from dreaming awash in a slow wave of this type of thing--similar, I think, to what you describe, but like Doc V. points out, more personal to me.
Good point modfive.My own model of the underlying process is completely personal.
Sorry to hear about you being trapped in Zonos Paradox!Does that mean that without any theory about the nature of a thing,it ceases to exist?

It seems that there is sometimes a sequential ordering of the approach to full consciousness.And that sometimes,or with practise,the order that these awakening processes play themselves out can be screwed with,creating abstract models of thought processes,that can ,it seems,be interacted with by the newly awakened 'self-plex' who should ordinarily ignore these processes.
But playing back your own memories,or paying conscious selective attention to incoming auditory and visual stimulus is a strange one.
At what point do we become human?,and are we fully conscious human beings before or after cornflakes?
 
 
cusm
16:37 / 13.12.01
More data on this: falling asleep. I used to have terribly insomnia. Overactive mind, and all. I often could not fall asleep, because I would be paying too much attention to how I am thinking, trying to watch myself fall asleep, find that trigger point. The result was usually just laying awake at night, slipping in and out of trances rather than resting.

One time, I was more sucessful in finding the key to it and beating it. I lay awake, exausted, at the end of a party. There are shuffling people about in another room, and a tv on. I observed that sensory stimuli would be filtered out once it became consistent. That is, consistent stimuli that has already been processed requires no further attention and can be filtered out.

First I no longer noticed the feel of the couch beneath me, nor the position of my body when left unmoving for long enough. The sounds of the tv also became filtered out, as I could recognize the source and file it as unimportant. The voices were similarly categorized, identified and labeled as unnecessary for my attention, and filtered out. Occasionally there would be a new sound that caught my attention, and part of my brain would come online to process it. It felt a lot like an engine starting up, spinning online, activating circuits necessary for processing, which tends to fire up those nearby in readyness. Then, once processed, settle back down again and slowly turn off these circuits as they were no longer needed. I slowly approached a rest state, where my mind would not process anything unless it passed my input filters as being important enough for attention. Stilling my mind internally and quieting my internal chatter removed this from the input queue as well. With nothing more for my mind to do, it switched off and I fell asleep until someone roused me later.

The key for me, to falling asleep, was essencially just saying "I don't care".
 
 
Kobol Strom
17:06 / 13.12.01
Thats so true,look at Buddhists.Part of achieving and maintaing a perfect trance state,is emotional detatchment from your predicament.But this actually equates to a robotic consciousness,so much of what can be experienced starts out from the perspective of someone no-longer complelety human.
The detatchment from humn emotion and sensory awareness to paying attention to inner mind processes is a journey away from humanity.The inner self,is just this programmable entity that has no realworld validity.We are just energy patterns caught in a sensorial trap,the human body.
Overcoming fear and paranoia,the evolution of human thought is embedded in the chaotic nature of random choices made at the the level of the self.We don't so much as experience reality,but more we 'fish' for stimulus in the hope of constantly catching something new.The body has a clear agenda,and works to confuse this inner sense when we sleep,with abstract data that really boils down to propagation of the species and cultural de-programming and re-programming skills based techniques that facilitate improvements in habit and increased efficiency of mode and purpose.What a load of crap!
-I want to re-write my Operating System now that I know its there and its possible to effect a level of interaction with these processes based on whatever model you happen to be currently interpolating between what you think you see and what you think you are.

[ 13-12-2001: Message edited by: kobol strom ]
 
 
cusm
17:24 / 13.12.01
Word!

Kobal, ever read Angel Tech, by Antero Ali? Its all about that sort of thing, programming and robotic consciousness.
 
 
Kobol Strom
17:35 / 13.12.01
Thanks for the recommendation,and I'll definately check it out.
 
  
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