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Will we only quit smoking once we have cancer?

 
 
Char Aina
11:39 / 01.09.05
i was struck by the stories of people in the cancer ward where my aunt is a radiologist and their battle with cancer.
she said to me that many of them are there with lung cancer and are quite old and that of these, almost all of them had on file that they had recently given up smoking. they would typically have given up for between one and three months, around the length of time their cancer had become serious but before they had been diagnosed.
she said it was so common as to be thought of as a symptom by some of her colleagues.
these were mostly older people, people who had kept smoking for twenty or thirty years despite the warnings of a lifetime of tobacco abuse.

in addition to scaring the shit out of me(every time i try to quit i wonder if that's me done for), it made me think about our attitude towards climate change.

working as i was for greenpeace at the time, i was familiar with much of the evidence for climate change and our part in it, and was puzzled as to why we havent yet done something more concrete.
my aunt's story made me think of humanity as a smoker; ze knows ze has a bad habit, but denial and dependance stop hir from confronting the reality.

are we addicted?
will we only quit once we have cancer?

from media lens:
September 1, 2005
MEDIA ALERT: CHEERLEADING THE CLIMATE CRIMINALS - PART 1


A Raging Debate in Nowhere Land

Earlier this month, New Scientist reported the astonishing news that the world's largest frozen peat bog, comprising an area the size of France and Germany combined, was melting. According to researchers who have been studying the permafrost of western Serbia, the bog could unleash billions of tonnes of methane, a greenhouse gas twenty times as potent as carbon dioxide, into the atmosphere. If this were to happen, the consequences for the climate system, and for humanity, would be appalling. (Fred Pearce, 'Climate warning as Siberia melts,' New Scientist, August 13, 2005)

One of the researchers involved warned of an "irreversible ecological landslide." Another concerned scientist said: "When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it's unstoppable. There are no brakes you can apply." (Ian Sample, 'Warming hits "tipping point",' The Guardian, August 11, 2005)

In response, Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, said: "If we don't take action very soon, we could unleash runaway global warming that will be beyond our control and it will lead to social, economic and environmental devastation worldwide." (Sample, ibid.)

But within just a couple of days, a surreal silence had descended. Where were the declarations by governments of radical action on energy, trade, transport and food production? Where were the impassioned newspaper editorials? Where were the urgent television and radio debates? Nowhere. One can only conclude that our society is, quite literally, insane.


it would seem that we as a planet already have the wierd weather, our morning lungs and susceptibility to chest infections.
(coral bleaching, increased flooding, more frequent storms)
like the smoker, we can place the majority of the blame for the ill effects on other sources or claim that said effects prove nothing conclusively, but are we kidding ourselves?

i have to admit a certain amount of pessimism on my part; i feel that we are heading towards a fairly bleak future ecologically, one in which the world has to satisfy itself with palliative maintenance, having left it too late.

do you feel we'll do someting about it before it is too late?
have you seen anything that suggests the problem is lesser or greater than i am sure it is?


some info from greenpeace
and some from the city of vancouver
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:03 / 01.09.05
It's already too late. The kind of changes we need to institute in this country: carbon rationing, micro-generation, nationwide recycling (the only one that's currently coming into play) and a host of others that I can't quite pull out of my head at such short notice, would probably all take ten years to be introduced at a permanent and fixed level.

The Ozone is slowly recovering from the damage done by CFC's, there's a BBC article on the subject at the moment somewhere on the news site but at the moment the Siberian peat bogs are melting.

I too am pessimistic.
 
 
modern maenad
12:23 / 01.09.05
This thread has put me in mind of a book I recently bought but haven't actually started reading yet -States of Denial by Stanley Cohen. Its a look at the whole process of denial, from individual to state, from a sociological/psychological standpoint. Though I realise this is only one aspect of what's going when it comes to our (human) myopic stance on climate change etc. it feels like an important piece of the jigsaw. I don't know whether its just a western thing, but the utter failure to acknowledge our individual complicity in all manner of horrors worldwide is dazzling. I'm also reminded of Zigmunt Bauman's work on modernity and the Holocaust, and his arguement that we need to see the Holocaust as a product of modernity, and the forces that shape and drive modernity; rationalisation, distanciation, fragmentation and so on. Bauman's seemed to be saying that a key factor was breaking the connection between people, so that no one individual felt, or even was, responsable for any one action. Going back to our culpability regarding climate change, for me this seems to be a central factor - that as indivuals acting in the world we do not feel any kind of relationship or responsibility for the direct and indirect results of our actions. Compounding this is that our (I'm talking UK here) culture seems to worship the individual, and the pursuit of individual goals, and rarely endorses a more communitarian ethos. And then there's the new God of Consumption to consider.....
 
 
illmatic
13:35 / 01.09.05
You should defintely read that Jared Diamond book, toks. He gives detailed information about not only the effects -current and anticipated, of climate change, but also all the other ecological mayhem we're causing.

Personally, the smoker analogy doesn't work for me. I think it's got more to do with having mechanisms in place for change, and our culture just ain't set up for that, so it's like trying to turn a supertanker. On an individual level, one can always stop smoking, and I know lots of people who've done so. Not that it's easy but it can be done. But on a social level causing change is so hard - our society devotes and enormous amount of effort to encouraging consumption but very little to allowing for feedback into the system for change. It's more like we're beagles being stuck in those machines in them animal testing centres being force fed fags. If simple mechanism were presented to people, small changes, I think they'd be widely accepted (look at how recycling schemes have taken off).

I think there's defintely a recongition amongst people that our current lifestyles cannot continue, but this is offset by our preceived passivity. I was going to try and change the thread on that book to one about this. It's so easy to feel powerless in the face of all this stuff that it's very easy to give up. I think the desire for change is there, it's simply no one can see a way of doing it.

What I suspect will happen is when things really begin to bite, you'll see a lot more collective, society wide action. Meyer Hillman (leading proponent of carbon rationing drew a link to the idea of how people's behaved in the Blitz ("stocism and a stiff upper lip and in the face of the forthcoming apocalypse"). Perhaps he's right. I certainly hope so.
 
 
illmatic
13:47 / 01.09.05
Bauman's seemed to be saying that a key factor was breaking the connection between people, so that no one individual felt, or even was, responsible for any one action.

Kind of what I was trying to say. There's mechanisms to encourage mass consumption but very little to allow the individal to affect change on social forces. Understandable so, as the scales we're talking about can't allow for individual input. Result: we all feel pretty powerless and passive, even if we're desperate for some sort of change.

To go off topic - I see that as one of the reasons behind a lot of the discussions on this board and elsewhere - symbolic action that makes up for this feeling of powerlessness. Not knocking the board (or anywhere else) but I think that's part of it's attraction.

I discussed the idea of an activism thread recently with Nina, to try and convert a little of this energy into action. Opinions?
 
 
modern maenad
14:04 / 01.09.05
There's mechanisms to encourage mass consumption but very little to allow the individal to affect change on social forces. Understandable so, as the scales we're talking about can't allow for individual input. Result: we all feel pretty powerless and passive, even if we're desperate for some sort of change.


On the one hand I agree that our society does little to foster a sense of powerfullness in us, and that it is hard to see the results of our positive actions, but on the other there's a whole lot of stuff that's very widely published, yet still people do nothing/little. I'm thinking of examples such as less car use, more recyling, eating less/no animal produce (factory farming being enormous waster of energy, pollutor of envivoment etc.) etc. etc. I won't go on 'cos I'm sure everyone reading this could make an enormous list of action suggestions, my point is that people seem really very reluctant to 'compromise' their lifestyles to any great degree. I should add that I'm as guilty as the next person, one of my downfalls being airplanes (dont' have a personal collection or anything, just occassional overseas hols). I really can't see any way out without either collosally high impact social movement or radical legislation (am aware if numerous probs with legislation suggestion, as tends to restrict individual over corporation, but that's whole other issue).
 
 
illmatic
14:22 / 01.09.05
people seem really very reluctant to 'compromise' their lifestyles to any great degree.

My personal feeling on this is that it doesn't happen because people don't percieve their actions as having any real impact for the greater good. It's such a slow drip drop effect and it takes a lot of water to make an ocean. It's the kind of snowball/critical mass effect, and until that tipping point is reached, it's easy not to bother.
 
 
modern maenad
14:48 / 01.09.05
My personal feeling on this is that it doesn't happen because people don't percieve their actions as having any real impact for the greater good.

This is definitely part of it - not being able to see the benefits of more responsible actions. I also feel there's a misconception that its somehow possible to live your life in an environmentally neutral way, that 'regular' day to day conduct is not particularly harmful, so we don't have to address seemingly minor concerns such as where our food comes from, or who made our clothes. I'm not sure I'm expressing myself very well, what's at the back of my mind is the old activist adage that you're either part of the problem, or part of the solution - you either drop your rubbish in the street or you don't - there's not really a middle way......
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:43 / 01.09.05
I'd definitely be up for an activism thread and links - or even some activism...

We now have a 'box' (actually bag) recycling scheme in our block for textiles, paper, carboard, glass and tins. I am always astonished by the number of households who don't use it. You don't have to do anything except put the stuff in the bag! It is probably the case that some of the householders are not English speakers, but even so... (and I believe the info is available in many languages, as it is a council initiative).

I too am pessimistic.
 
 
Brunner
13:59 / 05.09.05
I feel that we are in a vicious circle regarding commitment to the scale of change necessary to combat this problem. Governments do not want to introduce radical measures because they do not want to risk becoming unpopular with policies which they perceive as harmful to their re-election chances. I'm also convinced that corporate lobbying plays a part - greener technology and a general push for change is often the province of smaller companies and/or charities/NGO's lacking the corporate clout and finances of oil and utility companies.
Individually, many people state that the government should take a more active role in promoting the necessary changes. Until that happens they think its ok to keep on consuming and polluting the same way they always have. Others seem to miss the point entirely that the actual changes necessary will HAVE to substantially impact on their lives if we are to save our place on the planet. When it comes to giving up the car, meat on the table every night or the latest fashion accessories (imported from cheap labour factories in the far east), they don't want to make the sacrifice.
The government continues therefore to do little or nothing.

It's all so short term and selfish. If the gvernment won't act (or remains slower to act than necessary), for those who care, what are the best ways for individuals to do their bit? We all know that recycling and using public transport is good but surely that's not enough. Everything we do in life consumes energy in some form and lots of decisions we make mean opting for a less bad solution against a number of worse alternatives eg organic apples from New Zealand or Fair Trade (but not organic) apples from Brazil or local (but neither organic or Fair Trade) apples from Kent. And there are too many of us for everyone to live in eco-houses with windmills and grow our own crops.

I guess the point of my rant is that sooner rather than later, the government and opposition will have to put aside their political diffences and aspirations and (forgetting the electorate) agree on hardline policies that will both develop greener technologies and change our behaviour. And while they are doing that nationally, they also need to do it internationally. Listening to all the disparate interests in the meantime will get us nowhere.

It's a tall order isn't it? I too am pessimistic.
 
  
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