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Pronunciation

 
 
Naked Flame
15:10 / 09.12.01
Ok, I'm trying to squeeze some natty vibrations into the peace mango track- so, anyone know how to pronounce the following?

Om Mani Padme Hum

Bodhisattva
 
 
Papess
15:54 / 09.12.01
Cool! Flame on, Avalokiteshvera will be rockin' right along with us. This Peace thing is right up his alley anyway.
It is pronounced almost the way it looks.

OHM-MAW/NEH-PED/MEH-WHO/UNG

If this is not helpful email me and we will work it out.

-May Tricks
 
 
Naked Flame
23:47 / 09.12.01
Heh, I'm not sure I got it exactly right. It sounds good to me but I could actually be invoking any number of accidental energies. But I kind of like to leave extra room for miracles anyway.

When you've heard the test mix, please tell me if I'm telling people to go stick their head in a pig in Sanskrit, won't you?

PM'ing you and a couple of others with test mix link asap.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:12 / 11.12.01
How about:
gate gate paragate parasamgate, bodhi svaha

Sorry...paper...can't get this out of my head
 
 
Professor Silly
14:08 / 11.12.01
the trick with Sanskrit isn't the pronunciation so much as the cadence. They don't have accents--you shouldn't emphasize any syllible with volume. Instead, roughly every other sound lasts twice as long (it's helpful to tap your foot).

I personally use the pronunciation guide in my copy of the Bhagavad-Gita (as it is). There are some subtle aspects to this language, and without seeing the original un-transliterated line it's hard for me to determine the exact sounds and cadence. Sanskrit has 13 different vowel sounds, plus 33 consonant sounds. Research carefully--as I was pulling my books out I just realized I've had my cadence all wrong on the gáyatrí.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:35 / 11.12.01
quote:Om Mani Padme Hum
What exactly does this mean?
 
 
Naked Flame
17:41 / 11.12.01
There's a nice piece about that here.
 
 
Papess
19:15 / 11.12.01
The heart sutra that impulsive suggested is VERY appropriate. Prajnaparamita is the mother of all Buddhas, the emptiness out of which a buddha is born.

-May
 
 
cusm
19:31 / 11.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Lord St. Grebalenked ... ..... ...:
I personally use the pronunciation guide in my copy of the Bhagavad-Gita (as it is).


Hey, got one of those myself. Got it from a Krishna cultist pestering people on the street. Get some good books that way. Some bad ones too, but every now and then a winner. For $5, what the hey...

I don't have much for official reference on it, but I've always thought bhodisatva was pronounced:

BHO-DEE-SAA-TVA
 
 
Rev. Jesse
20:26 / 11.12.01
Thela Hun Ginjeet Thela Hun Ginjeet
Thela Hun Ginjeet Thela Hun Ginjeet
What a refrain
Thela Hun Ginjeet


Sorry, I saw King Crimson last night...
 
 
cusm
13:51 / 12.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Rev. Jesse:

Sorry, I saw King Crimson last night...


They're touring again? Crap, I'd better keep a look out!
 
 
grant
14:41 / 12.12.01
quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:

What exactly does this mean?


I was taught by a professor who had studied in Tibet that it was The Universe, the Scepter (male), the Lotus (female), Their Synthesis.

I'm pretty sure that was a symbolic interpretation, not a literal one.


The Dalai Lama says:
Om is the cosmic syllable, A-U-M.
for the rest:
quote:Mani, meaning jewel, symbolizes the factors of method-the altruistic intention to become enlightened, compassion, and love. Just as a jewel is capable of removing poverty, so the altruistic mind of enlightenment is capable of removing the poverty, or difficulties, of cyclic existence and of solitary peace. Similarly, just as a jewel fulfills the wishes of sentient beings, so the altruistic intention to become enlightened fulfills the wishes of sentient beings.

The two syllables, padme, meaning lotus, symbolize wisdom. Just as a lotus grows forth from mud but is not sullied by the faults of mud, so wisdom is capable of putting you in a situation of non-contradiction whereas there would be contradiction if you did not have wisdom. There is wisdom realizing impermanence, wisdom realizing that persons are empty, of being self-sufficient or substantially existent, wisdom that realizes the emptiness of duality-that is to say, of difference of entity between subject an object-and wisdom that realizes the emptiness of inherent existence. Though there are many different types of wisdom, the main of all these is the wisdom realizing emptiness.

Purity must be achieved by an indivisible unity of method and wisdom, symbolized by the final syllable hum, which indicates indivisibility. According to the sutra system, this indivisibility of method and wisdom refers to wisdom affected by method and method affected by wisdom. In the mantra, or tantric, vehicle, it refers to one consciousness in which there is the full form of both wisdom and method as one undifferentiable entity. In terms of the seed syllables of the five Conqueror Buddhas, hum is the seed syllable of Akshobhya - the immovable, the unfluctuating, that which cannot be disturbed by anything.

Thus the six syllables, om mani padme hum, mean that in dependence on the practice of a path which is an indivisible union of method and wisdom, you can transform your impure body, speech, and mind into the pure exalted body, speech, and mind of a Buddha.


So, there you go.

The link gives you a lot more material.
 
 
grant
14:54 / 12.12.01
Here's a .wav file showing how to pronounce the phrase.

Off this cache of a disfunctional page.

quote:Reading from left to right the syllables are:
Om(ohm) Ma(mah) Ni(nee) Pad(pahd) Me(may) Hum(hum)

The vowel in the syllable Hu (is pronounced as in the English word 'book'. The final consonant in that syllable is often pronounced 'ng' as in 'song' -- Om Mani Padme Hung. There is one further complication: The syllable Pad is pronounced Pe (peh) by many Tibetans: Om Mani Peme Hung.
The mantra originated in India; as it moved from India into Tibet, the pronunciation changed because some of the sounds in the Indian Sanskrit language were hard for Tibetans to pronounce.

Sanskrit
form Om Mani Padma Hum
mantra of Avalokiteshvara
Tibetan
form Om Mani Peme Hung
mantra of Chenrezig


also says this:
quote:"Behold! The jewel in the lotus!"

This phrase is often seen as a translation of the mantra. However, although some mantras are translatable, more or less, the Mani is not one of them; but while the phrase is incorrect as a translation, it does suggest an interesting way to think about the mantra, by considering the meanings of the individual words.


As well as the six syllables standing for six perfections and six realms of existence:

quote:When you say
the first syllable Om it is blessed to help you achieve perfection in the practice of generosity, Ma helps perfect the practice of pure ethics, and Ni helps achieve perfection in the practice of tolerance and patience. Päd, the fourth syllable, helps to achieve perfection of perseverance, Me helps achieve perfection in the practice of concentration, and the final sixth syllable Hum helps achieve perfection in the practice of wisdom.


quote:Om - bliss/pride - gods
Ma - jealousy/lust for entertainment - jealous gods
Ni passion/desire - human
Pe stupidity/prejudice - animal
Me poverty/possessiveness - hungry ghost
Hung aggression/hatred - hell


[ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: grant ]
 
  
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