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Kid crime
17:57 / 07.12.01
You have magic related questions?

I have magic related answers.

C'mon, try me. Ask me something.

I'll answer as quick as I can.
 
 
the rake at the gates
18:04 / 07.12.01
ok da wizard, ive been interested in creating my own servitor, have you ever done this?, if you have how exactley do you do it, and did it/they work?
 
 
cusm
18:22 / 07.12.01
What is the airborn velocity of an unladen swallow?
 
 
Kid crime
18:25 / 07.12.01
quote:What is the airborn velocity of an unladen swallow?

It depends on how hard she spits...
 
 
Gek
23:30 / 07.12.01
Hee hee hee...

What is the Matrix?
 
 
mikeh
00:36 / 08.12.01
yeah - how are you supposed to forget about a sigil if its realization is the only thing you think about?
mikeh
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:56 / 08.12.01
Sure Wiz. I first got the idea for creating a servitor from Phil Hine's site. Here's the link hope it helps, Mr. Jazz. servitor
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:58 / 08.12.01
I got a question!

Why does the caged bird sing?
 
 
Lionheart
14:00 / 08.12.01
Actually you don't have to forget about the meaning. You just have to not pay much attention to it. Leave it out of your head. The point is not to dwell on the intent and just let it be and stuff.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
14:10 / 08.12.01
How do you keep an idiot occupied?

Just kidding.

Why is everyone so wary of curse casting? What is with Western Culture that we can ethically enchat for lovers and wealth at a cost to others but we are shunned for using curses? Curse magic, of course, has a long tradition in many magic systems, so why the hell is it treated like a red-headed step-
child?

-Jesse
 
 
Papess
15:18 / 08.12.01
Deep regard for you Rev., but, I can answer in one word your question........Karma.

-May Tricks
 
 
the rake at the gates
18:04 / 08.12.01
thaks guys,
ok another question i was wondering about is how often can you sigilise, everyday, couple of time a day, once a week. i made up a bunch of sigils ages ago so i would forget what they meant, some of which were meant to work before christmas, and due to other factors i now have about a dozen sigils i really should charge before wednesday. any tips about techniques other that the obvious for charging.
 
 
The_Player
20:35 / 08.12.01
Do myou know a good technique do free a person/yourself from a bad omen, "bad eye" (veeeery common in Brazil... ), bad luck etc?

Cheers, man...
Cass
 
 
Lionheart
02:23 / 09.12.01
What do you think Karma is?

It's not what goes around comes around.

It's "you must do what you must do."

(I've edited this post cuz I think I sounded angry in the original.)

[ 13-12-2001: Message edited by: Lionheart ]
 
 
Papess
10:51 / 09.12.01
Lionheart, KARMA IS: the law of cause and effect!
I apologize for correcting you but this concept is imperative to a well functioning magickal working. It keeps the checks and balances in place. I was also told that the best magick is Good Karma. It is like putting money in the bank. Sometimes refered to as personal power. One may be born with lots of reserves and seemingly get away with the proverbial murder, but, that one spell and suddenly they are overdrawn.
I received my information from a very esteemed Rinpoche in the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. But I am sure any reputable book on buddhism would agree with this definition.

-May Tricks
 
 
MJ-12
11:51 / 09.12.01
Karma is not a uniquely Buddhist concept. Buddhiist, Hindus, Jains, Sihks all have differing views of Karma, and there are differences within schools among the large traditions. So, you're both right. And, you're both wrong.
 
 
Papess
13:15 / 09.12.01
I have been taught perspective from all those schools except Sikh and I am sure none of them have ever said that "you do what you have to do" without prefacing with the context that phrase is made in. If I am mistaken give me the quote and it's source. I Know for a fact that Karma means one thing and all those Religions are in agreement with the definition I have given. So no I am not wrong I just didn't mention every school of thought in my reference.
I will no longer debate on this in this thread, as it could be a futile endeavor. You may respond as you will.

- May Tricks

P.S: I origanallly mentioned this in response to Rev. Jesse and I should have just mentioned the "law of cause and effect" and left it at that. This is what I meant I do not want to debate a mute point any further.
Now back to the hilarity with Da Wizard

[ 09-12-2001: Message edited by: May Tricks ]
 
 
Naked Flame
14:20 / 09.12.01
quote: Why is everyone so wary of curse casting?

Personally it's a question of where the energy comes from. I know precisely three ways to attack someone magically: with my own energy, with transhuman or nonhuman energies that I can make a deal with, or the 'aikido' version, turning the assailant's own energy around.

Under no circumstances would I ever use the second method. I have used the first once and once only and then only when someone tried method 2 on me. And it hurt like f**k.
Method 3 is fine and dandy and is almost the same as a technique for blessing.

My question: what purpose is served by the co-existance of different belief paradigms? Wouldn't we all be better magicians and indeed better human beings if there actually was one truth and one way to understand it?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
22:42 / 09.12.01
May:

Karma is inherently tied with Dharma.

The statement that Lionheart made of 'you do what you have to do' is a simple restating of this.

You get 'good karma' from performing your Dharma. You get 'bad karma' from denying your Dharma.

People in this culture have an extremely christianized view of Karma.

Remember, again, the whole Bagavad Gita of the Hindu's is based upon Arjuna NOT wanting to engage in the slaughter of his cousins. Krishna, reprimanded and then lectured him on it. It was his Dharma to engage in the slaughter. He would only get good karma by waging the war.

Also, the Raksas of Vedic and post-vedic Hinduism received good Karma for being evil demons, it was only when they stepped outside of the bounds of their Dharma that their Karma would be jeapordized.

Also, at least in Hindu beliefs (I tend to refer back to them for Karma considering that was where the concept originated) Saints were constantly cursing people for all sorts of slights. Usually the curse took the form of bestowing bad karma on to someone so that their next reincarnation would be the manifestation of the saint's curse.

The idea that cursing inherently causes bad Karma is a personal religious one (based on Eastern religions) not one universal to all traditions and not an empirical law of nature.

[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: Lothar Tuppan ]
 
 
Little Mother
13:01 / 10.12.01
How many roads must a man walk down before you can call him a man?
 
 
Ierne
13:16 / 10.12.01
Why is everyone so wary of curse casting?...Curse magic, of course, has a long tradition in many magic systems, so why the hell is it treated like a red-headed step-child? – Rev. Jesse

Let's step aside from all the karmacology and deal with energy.

In order to effectively curse someone, you'd have to generate a substantial amount of anger, hate, revenge, derision, rage...feelings that most people don't really feel comfortable with, and are not always confident they can handle. Not only would you have to churn up all this marital energy, but you would have to channel it, send it forth and LET IT GO (ie. not feel those emotions anymore). This requires a great deal of discipline and intestinal fortitude.

Much of the "payback" one gets with curses is actually leftover emotional baggage that didn't get sent out and, due to its nature (anger, hate, rage, etc.) is bound to bring you down.

I think most people don't like to curse because it's rather hard to do. I forget who said it first, but "Marital energy is the easiest to raise up, yet the most difficult to control." (Your 'red-headed stepchild' is an excellent Mars symbol! )

So there's a different perspective for you. Hope it helps.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:27 / 10.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:


"Marital energy is the easiest to raise up, yet the most difficult to control."



With my divorce still fresh in my memory I definitely agree with this.
 
 
Vadrice
19:41 / 10.12.01
Um.. yes... I have a question... but it's over in my very own thread.
Can I Pick your brain(s) about...
 
 
—| x |—
07:47 / 13.12.01
No damn it! Many of you are all more or less fucked on this one (from the perspective of early Buddhism; viz. the teachings as from Siddhartha--the dharma)!

Karma is simply action. Any action. So it is close to what May Tricks says about the law of cause and effect, except you mean, of course, pratityasamutpada, which is the Buddhist notion of the interdependent co-arising. Karma is the doing that manifests the being: there is no good or bad Karma--that is a Western bastardization of this concept.

The actions that an individual initiates--good or bad--keeps him or her wrapped up in the cycle of samsara, which is driven by duhkha (suffering). There is no distinction as to whether or not those acts are "good" or "bad;" rather, it is the act itself that constitutes the karma and perpetuates samsara which turns on duhkha.

It's certainly not "money in the bank," (unless you want to think of increased suffering as the interest) and Lionheart is correct to say that it is not, "what goes around comes around." It is more like: what you do keeps you coming 'round. The Buddhist seeks to heed Tom Petty's advice and not "come around here no more;" that is, the Buddhist, according to Siddhartha, seeks to get off the wheel of life and death: parinirvana.

Pleasantries,
5 + 5 = 0 (mod 5).

[ 13-12-2001: Message edited by: modfive ]
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
11:17 / 13.12.01
Agreed, from a Buddhist view of Karma.

When I refer to Karma, Dharma, etc. I usually refer back to Hinduism considering that was the origin of the concepts.

In Hinduism there are 4 paths or 'Margas'. One of them is Karma-Marga (the way or path of action). Again, in the Bagavad Gita Krishna lets Arjuna in on the secret of Karma-Marga (which also explains the relationship between Karma and Dharma) which is that action performed purely out of a sense of one's duty (Dharma), with no thought of selfish gain, leads to spiritual fulfillment.

Here's a quote on the main difference between Hinduism and Siddhartha's teachings by Theologian John Renard:

"But perhaps the most striking Buddhist turn of thought is its rejectiion of Hinduism's substantialist view that the core of every person is an indestructable soul that must either be set free or condemned to suffer the consequences of negative karma in subsequent rebirths. Buddha considered the notion of an immortal self that needs to be saved just one more delusion to grasp at in desperation, one more cause of suffering."

Which kinda gets back to my main point which is that, in a lot of occult/new age circles there is this belief that 'karma' (however the individual defines it) is an absolute law of the universe. But everyone, from the various sects of Hinduism, to the various Buddhists, to the western occultists, have a different definition of it. So which one is right? Is it the people who came up with the concept originally?

Or is it Siddhartha that while being a major religious figure was first and foremost a man who basically disagreed with his Hindu teachings and made his own.

Or is it the many other 'reformers' who modified the concept over the ages.

Also, plenty of people in western culture have this belief of Karma as having to do with retribution within this life. Sometimes colloquially termed 'instant karma'. Karma, as far as I can tell, was always about how you reincarnate. Not any retribution you'll recieve in this life.

Karma, by nature of being about the afterlife (i.e., what form you'll reincarnate into, if you don't free yourself from the cycle), is a RELIGIOUS concept that cannot be tested, even by magical standards, within this life.

Saying that 'don't do this or you'll suffer the consequences of karma' is effectively the same thing as saying to someone 'don't do this or God will condemn you to hell', or any other religious cautionary statement.

I definitely agree that there is an inevitable mixing of religion and magical theory and technique but it's helpful, and honest, to at least realize when one has moved from one into the other.

[ 13-12-2001: Message edited by: Lothar Tuppan ]
 
 
Lionheart
14:07 / 13.12.01
No, you're both wrong. Karma is my mother's car. Isn't it obvious?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:56 / 13.12.01
Wasn't there a tv show named 'My mother the Karma'?
 
  
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