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Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
00:29 / 22.08.05
Long story short, one of my relatives a few years back turned up my family's coat of arms: a shield with five swans. Of late, after spending a week with my family out on the farm and looking at that thing carved over the hearth, I've found myself quite taken with it.

Anyway, I'm wondering what the classical/mythological/mystical symbolism of swans? And, really, heraldic animals in general.

When it comes to heraldry and mystical animals, I don't know much.
 
 
Anthony
11:08 / 22.08.05
The Swan is attributed to Kether in Qabalah. That's some accolade.
 
 
Sekhmet
12:59 / 22.08.05
Is your family Irish, by any chance? It could have something to do with the Children of Lir...
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
13:29 / 22.08.05
English via the Normans, apparently.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:51 / 22.08.05
Do a quick whizz round some internet sites. A very brief initial search brings up stuff like this and this. One of those 'meanings behind the symbols' sites says: Poetic harmony and learning, or lover thereof; light, love, grace, sincerity, perfection, but this sounds a bit iffy to me.

There certainly are symbolic meanings attached to animals, in heraldry as in other forms of art. However, caution is advisable, because of the large variety of origins of coats of arms - often you find that arms are canting (i.e. punning) and that the symbolic meaning is probably subordinated to the rebus (e.g. the pike, or luce, for the Lucy family).

To get an insight into the kinds of meanings attached to animals, birds, etc. in medieval times your best bet will be a bestiary. There is a good translation of one by TH White (avail. in Dover pbk), and a lovely online translation with imgaes of the original MS here. This site seems to be a sort of concordance. The academic jury is out on how allegoric some of these texts actually are (White makes the case that they were genuine works of natural history, based on the information available at the time, but I know many others regard the bestiaries as primarily didactic works).
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
08:54 / 23.08.05
Great band.

Really great band.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:53 / 23.08.05
Though I doubt it connects much to Norman Heraldry, in Greek mythology, Zeus turned into a swan to seduce Leda, if I remember correctly.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:57 / 23.08.05
And look how well that turned out... best not think about it.
 
 
Ganesh
19:24 / 23.08.05
Did wonders for her bikini line, though.

 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:36 / 23.08.05
Here is a site about norman heraldry .

The swan is found in heraldry as a charge, a crest, supporters, and as a badge. It is shown close unless specified otherwise. The role of the charge, crest, supporters and badge are described on the page I've linked to.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
21:58 / 23.08.05
Thank you, Nina. This looks qutie interesting. Will read when I'm more awake. Right now I can barely make coherent sentences.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
10:09 / 24.08.05
I always associate Babalyon with the swan.
from 777, the swan-venus,feya,aphrodyte,hathoor,the Empress in the tarot, lust, yup pretty sexual all round i'd say.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
10:13 / 24.08.05
opps, maybe best to ignore athe above I misread the thread a bit. Bad me
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
20:33 / 26.08.05
Did some searching on "heraldry" and "five swans". Seems that its not specifically "my" family's, but rather goes back to the six dozen different derivations of which my family name is only one of many. Funky.
 
 
ESOZONE : Oct 10 - 12 PDX 2008
13:19 / 27.08.05
Wikipedia entry on the term "Swan Song"

This symbolism is the OG, before any ugly duckling stories.

 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:45 / 27.08.05
Saraswati, Hindu Goddess of Knowledge and the Arts, is usually depicted riding on a white swan, as she is here.

She has lots of fluid and watery connections, including the invisible Saraswati River that supposedly is confluent at Agra with the Yamuna and the Ganges.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
02:37 / 28.08.05
Why is it always goddesses of wisdom/knowledge, and often water, that I keep being connected to? I think the universe is trying to tell me something.
 
 
ilredicoppe
08:06 / 29.08.05
alchemically speaking the white swan is one of the birds used to describe the alchemical process. It represents the albedo, the "whitening" of the soul after the nigredo (blackening). The swan represents the first marriage of the opposites, male and female become one and the bird is regarded as a symbol of hermaphroditism.
the swan is also called the midnight sun.

Still unsure about the number five and the shield. Does the shield have any features? Cross maybe? How about the shape?

Good luck with your family crest:-)
 
  
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