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Future Perfect
15:16 / 12.08.05
So, I am beginning to get involved with a really exciting project to help young social entrepreneurs and activists turn their ideas into sustainable projects that, as well as delivering positive social and environmental outcomes, provide them with paid and rewarding work.

It got me thinking that there are probably plenty of 'lithers out there who are trying to make their way in these worlds or have already had some success with it and, well, it would be really interesting to here a bit about people's experiences.

My background is in learning, not social action, so it's a whole sector I'm having to get up to speed pretty much from scratch.

So, what do you do, how did you do it and how do you sustain yourselves as well as your projects?
 
 
ESOZONE : Oct 10 - 12 PDX 2008
16:40 / 12.08.05
Well, my friends and I at DIY Bandits get money expressly to do projects, and all money we make goes right back into other new projects.

I cant say we are making a living off it, but we wouldnt really want to, since thats not what its about.

Sometimes we lose money on projects, but sometimes we make money right back in other ways that dont involve paychecks.

Its hard to become a credible community activist if your helping to milk that very community dry.

Everyone I try to help has problems with money, if I had any real ethical sense while trying to make it rich, Id invent useless crap only the rich want and would waste their money on. Hopefully something that would subvert them in the process, but Im not some kind of super genius here...

Douglas Rushkoff we need you.
 
 
Future Perfect
15:27 / 15.08.05
Thanks for the resonse, Chaoflux.

It's really interesting what you say and certainly something that I had wanted to debate before getting into this project.

So from your perspective even getting a decent (not excessive) salary would be "milking the community dry"?

As I understand it the aim of social enterpise is to create a new kind of organisation that is run commercially but that is not profit making or, if it is, those profits mandatorily go into other social action projects or to further support the social goals of the organisation.

I'm really interested to hear more about the very clear dichotomy you seem to see between a commercial approach and having clear and fundamental social goals.
 
 
Not in the Face
11:01 / 16.08.05
very clear dichotomy you seem to see between a commercial approach and having clear and fundamental social goals

It is partly because of this that the UK government recently introduced Community Interest Companies. They are a type of organisation which briges the gap between for-profit companies and charities/co-operatives. Basically in a CIC, the members are legally prevented from selling off the assets of the company - which is the main problem with for-profit agencies engaging in this work (and co-operatives as well).

However the aim of the CIC is definetly profit-making, just within a social goal framework (what that framework should be has been left open for now). So the idea runs that people such as chaoflux23 should be able to draw a salary from the income generated by the work.

The two problems in my experience are that many of the ideas touted for social enterprises either require a degree of community coherence to work and that this carries a cost thats not calculated on a balance sheet and/or the income that could be generated isn't sufficient to provide a salary. Hence you get the situation described by chaoflux where they are not really making a living off of it and (my supposition is) that they feel rather than take the money they plough it back into the work. In effect they are not really sustainable without some form of continued external support and a lot of free time being given up by those involved.

This is especially true, in my experience as someone who supports people trying to achieve the goals of the summary, for arts based projects. After all if the clients could afford to purchase the service, then a for-profit would probably have moved in.

There isn't really a goood solution to that one. Going back to Future Perfects original post I don't think there's a dichotomy but I do think that entrepreneurs you help would have to put themselves on a scale from fully for-profit to totally voluntary. The further to the voluntary end of the scale you are, the more likely you will need funding from some outside source.

The other issue is how do they measure their social and environmental outcomes? There's a tendency I've noticed to assume that social enterprises must be good because they are 'social', when in fact in fact round here, Central London, most of them come about because of a lack of for-profit or statutory provision.

I always check with social entrepreneurs whether the social part of the enterprise is social because it is owned by the community or because it meets some community need. In the latter case that need is rarely clearly identified beyond projecting the values of the entrepreneur onto the surrounding community and assuming that is good rather than checking that the actual provision is sufficient.

As for how to do it, firstly anyone who wants to run a social enterprise should decide what they are going to get from the experience - is money as important as the work, less so, more so? Its not 'a bad thing' to choose the latter answer, just be prepared that the idea may not make money. Can the enterprise tap into richer clients and use the money to fund the services it provides to people who can't afford them? Is the entrepreneur part of a group of people sharing the same values etc, or are they doing it by themselves? If the latter then theymay find that much of the talk around social enterprise assumes a group of people are involved and that ownership is shared amongst them - often this doesn't appeal to solo enterpreneurs.

Don't know if that helps you but any other questions or ideas you;ve got I'd be happy to chat about
 
  
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