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Astonishing X-Men #12

 
  

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Billuccho!
00:46 / 03.09.05
Oh, I don't care if he quits or not. I love the man, and he's one of the biggest inspirations for my own work... but that's with what he's done with Buffy and Angel and Firefly, not with AXM.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:25 / 03.09.05
Well he's not writing it anymore. Because of you! Because you said it was shit!

Well done.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:07 / 03.09.05
GOD DAMN IT, BILL.

I don't know, I'm still quite enjoying astonishing. It's always got a nice zinger or two in it and the art is nice and, really, it's the only mutant book that's even trying to respect New X-Men's storyline.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:06 / 03.09.05
Both storylines were in the area between okay and good, but Danger was really badly served by being a six-parter. It did not warrant that length of storyline, both in terms of the story and then, unavoidably, in the time it takes Cassaday to draw it. It should have been a good two issues shorter with a two parter to round off the last year. Maybe a photojournalism piece with everyone pissing on a pile of Morrison's comics.

And was Flyboy being grumpy for comic effect or has Whedon indeed quit?
 
 
The Falcon
14:26 / 03.09.05
'S a joke, Flowers.

I dunno, I reread pts. 1-5 of the arc just before #12 came out and it wasn't a bad read. It's the sort of thing'd make a decent trade. Absolutely no sense of completeness in single ish form, though, as - basically - only three writers in the game can still do that.

Lacking in immediacy. On my comics:drugs scale*, this is merely a couple glasses of a decentish (Californian) red.

*Whence it is assumed the more habit forming and hard-hitting, the better; e.g. Ultimates is a half-g of charles and a ten-deck of Dunhill's.
 
 
Shrug
14:49 / 03.09.05
I like your scale. Would Uncanny rate as an extremely dodgy ecky then, or not at all?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:23 / 03.09.05
I don't think I'll be picking up year two - the big plot twist is the sort of thing Claremont would get flayed for (because it's fucking stupid) and I don't see why Wedon should get a free ride. Not much single-issue value in this, either.

And the art. Feck! John can draw nice people but his robots and tech look rubbish! This is not a good thing to have when both your arcs so far feature loads of robots and technology, obviously.

It's an X-Men comic for the sake of it. NXM felt urget and needed. Even at it's best, AXM has felt terribly non-essential.
 
 
The Falcon
19:31 / 03.09.05
Miligan's Uncanny was a bag a' speed, where you suddenly felt all interested in the second-raters you're with, and latterly wished you had not.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:47 / 05.09.05
But we don't know what the nature of the twist is. Yes, it could be that Sebastian Shaw has decided to reform the 'We Get Beaten Up by Everyone' Club and maybe Emma has decided it's more fun hanging round with them than having noisy sex with Cyclops, but I'm hoping that it's a little bit more interesting than that. Was TNS brought back by the same process that brought Colossus? Why is Cassadra Nova there when events in New X-Men rather suggested she'd reformed, is this due to the fact that no-one bar Morrison and EVERY FUCKING READER ON THE PLANET knew that Ernst was Cassandra? Who is mysterious cloaked person?
 
 
Triplets
16:18 / 05.09.05
I like it. Non-Essential X-Men by Whedon and Cassaday, coming, you know, whenever.
 
 
The Falcon
02:39 / 06.09.05
Well, it'd be quite easy for Ernst to become Cassandra again (I think part of the reason she couldn't understand the Xorn/Magneto dual identity might be some failsafe in her reconditioning); she did ultimately in 'Here Comes Tomorrow'. The X-Men seem prone to frequently inviting ticking timebombs to stay with them.

That is to say, I'd credit Whedon with understanding that. Someone can tell me if he fails to do so.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
11:20 / 06.09.05
I think the reason Ernst/Cassandra had difficulty with Magneto/Xorn was that hir mental capacities were pretty limited at this point, given that they seem to have developed over time from the point where ze first ended up in the body of Stuff ("Urrrm...What do you done?" etc) to her appearance as leader of the X-Men in Here Comes Tomorrow.
 
 
The Falcon
16:52 / 06.09.05
Well, if you like. She never came across, as I recall, particularly thick otherwise.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:15 / 06.09.05
Joss didn't 'quit', right? Is this some late-breaking news or just Barbelith taunting? He's already at work on year 2, I thought.
 
 
MFreitas
17:18 / 06.09.05
Well, ultimately, Cassandra represented one of the X-Men's greatest achievements. They took an evil, murderous entity and converted it into one of their one, someone who'd become in the future the Headmaster of Xavier's School.

Ernst could have reverted into Cassandra (aged, more accurately), but why would she turn "evil" again? She was being reconditioned, she was learning to be "human" and that was the point of it all.

It absolutely pisses me off as they've utterly forgotten some characters from Grant's run, though in some cases it's even worse then forgetting: it's a complete misunderstanding. The level of editors working with such as Austen or Claremont should not be allowed anywhere near Grant's characters. I know this is corporate comics, I know they can legally do it. But try at least reading the fucking thing, will ya?

Thus said, I reeeealy hope this is just Emma alucinating. Or pulling a Snape on us...
 
 
FinderWolf
17:43 / 06.09.05
I see now that Joss has not 'quit', 'twas merely trash talking. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed a huge online comics scoop news story ("Whedon aborts Vol. 2 of his runm, Calls Joe Quesada 'big meanie'!")
 
 
Aertho
17:43 / 06.09.05
this is just Emma alucinating.

Really. Getting fired up now is a bit dramatic. They've shat all over Xorneto, and now they'll poo on Cass. And there's no sense in overreacting with that as evidence. If Xavier and Phoenix didn't tell anybody else that Ernst = Cass, then Emma might think Cassandra Nova escaped the same time Beast and Cyke did. Alucinatin' indeed.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:50 / 06.09.05
I like the theory that each character represents a part of her past failures/mistakes, it's her subconscious that's messing her up. Maybe those characters aren't really there; it's all in her mind. Either that or she's pulling a Snape, as was said here. She can't be going eeevil anytime soon.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
17:57 / 06.09.05
What does "pulling a Snape" mean?
 
 
MFreitas
18:01 / 06.09.05
Oh, that's just a character from Potter. Is he a traitor or not?
 
 
daynah
19:42 / 07.09.05
I somehow feel like I'm getting my universes mixed up but... wasn't that Sentinel created into a statue previously?
 
 
Triplets
19:52 / 07.09.05
What was another one. There was a three-headed one that got converted into a giant mecha Magneto, the other one was a big armoured beetle thing, that's the one in X #12
 
 
FinderWolf
21:31 / 20.09.05
Newsarama sez:

>> Joss Whedon and John Cassaday’s gap between their volumes of Astonishing X-Men will be relatively short, with volume II kicking off in February.
 
 
sleazenation
21:50 / 20.09.05
Looks like a convenient jumping off point to me... I've been enjoying this series less and less and the last two issues seemed rushed and lifeless.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:03 / 07.11.05
Newsarma reports from WizardWorld Texas:

>> Editor Nick Lowe shared the cover to Astonishing X-Men #13 during his presentation, adding that the last page of Astonishing #12 is a major hint as to what will be seen in the coming issues, that is, a reunion of the classic Hellfire Club.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:08 / 07.11.05
Ah, yes. Who could forget the time Cassandra Nova made Logan so heavy that he collapsed through the floor and into the sewer system (wasn't that how it happened?). Or when Negasonic Teenage Warhead left the club to form The Reavers.

Good times.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:16 / 07.11.05
Newsarama sez:

>> Joss Whedon and John Cassaday’s gap between their volumes of Astonishing X-Men will be relatively short, with volume II kicking off in February.


Ah. So a bit like the gaps between single issues, then.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:55 / 08.11.05
How about some sort of contest where we try and encourage all the creative teams for all Marvel comics to turn in work later and later, so we can see who's prestigeous enough that Marvel will say "you only want to put out four issues of the comic this year? Fine!" and who they'll say "You sent in the work for issue 12 a day late! You're fired!" to. It seems daft that Marvel have watered down so many aspects of their work so as to not confuse the poor precious people they think will only start reading the comics because there are films out there yet don't seem to mind consistently putting out late product (I presume NYX was put out because it was paid for work when it might make sense just to give up in mid-story or whatever and just pretend it never happened).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:58 / 08.11.05
I'm writing a letter to Wizard about it right now.
 
  

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