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Robin Cook MP dies

 
 
Smoothly
16:12 / 06.08.05
Reports firming up that Robin Cook is in a 'serious condition' in hospital after collapsing while walking on Ben Stack in Scotland. Coast Guards airlifted him after he was resuscitated at the scene. Hard to gauge the situation exactly, and BBC News are being cautious, but 'it looks grim' according to Peter Sissons.

Anyone know any more?
 
 
Smoothly
16:16 / 06.08.05
Report just hit The Guardian.

Authorities refusing to make an official comment until 'next of kin have been informed'. Sounds bad.
 
 
Smoothly
16:54 / 06.08.05
Shit. He's dead.
 
 
Lurid Archive
17:06 / 06.08.05
I had a lot of respect for Robin Cook and his stance over the Iraq War. Shame.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:38 / 06.08.05
Dead? Fucking hell.

Cue Mr Tony telling us all how much he liked him.

Fucking hell.

I'm almost afraid to ask- what's the word on Mo Mowlam?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:36 / 06.08.05
It's always the good. I never thought I'd crack when a politician died but I was close to tears when a 60 second BBC3 news report revealed this to me. Very crap.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
21:21 / 06.08.05
Mo Mowlam
"She has been a noted critic of the government, especially on the topic of policy towards Iraq."

&

Robin Cook

Former foreign secretary Cook dies - hospital. Sat Aug 6, 2005 7:00 PM

"LONDON (Reuters) - Former Foreign Secretary Robin Cook died on Saturday after collapsing while walking on a mountain in northern Scotland, Sky television said.

Cook, 59, served as foreign secretary from 1997 to 2001. He was demoted to become Leader of the House of Commons in 2001 and resigned from the cabinet in 2003 over Prime Minister Tony Blair's decision to go to war in Iraq."

...

Truth is stranger than fiction?
 
 
Ganesh
21:24 / 06.08.05
Memo to Clare Short: take care.
 
 
The Strobe
21:29 / 06.08.05
I'm quite sad - not just because of Cook's stance on Iraq, but because, especially in latter years, he spoke an awful lot of sense, without ever being (to my mind) too preachy. Yes, he got his stick for, well, his affairs, his beard, and his silly voice, but I respected him greatly as a statesman - and there are very few people at the moment I think worthy of the title. A sad day for British politics, really.
 
 
w1rebaby
21:42 / 06.08.05
If only, you know, he'd done something while he actually still had power.

I don't want to piss on anything, but it's all very well having somebody who's critical of policy after they resign; it's people who are critical before they resign who make a difference in our current system.
 
 
sleazenation
21:59 / 06.08.05
I was in a pub when I found out... Shit - I remember listening to his blistering performance in commons when the Scott report was published back in 1996 - I figured Brown's leadership would lead to his return to frontline politics.
 
 
Lurid Archive
22:04 / 06.08.05
fridge: thats a little unfair. He resigned *because* of his opposition to the war and his resignation speech was an insiders objection to the exercise. You can't really oppose government policy that strongly and still be part of the same government. Not Blair's, anyway.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:07 / 06.08.05
Oh, totally, fridge. He wasn't that much use as FS. But post-Foreign Office, he still had a lot more power than any of us, and I think he used it well. Also his resignation was a fairly good use of the power he had- I don't think it damaged Mr Tony as much as it could/should have done, but it was a fucking good attempt.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:08 / 06.08.05
Ah. Lurid both got there before me and was more eloquent. Bum.
 
 
Lurid Archive
22:20 / 06.08.05
Actually, I thought you said it better Stoatie. But this is what Robin Cook said when he resigned:

For four years as Foreign Secretary I was partly responsible for the western strategy of containment. Over the past decade that strategy destroyed more weapons than in the Gulf war, dismantled Iraq’s nuclear weapons programme and halted Saddam’s medium and long-range missiles programmes. Iraq’s military strength is now less than half its size than at the time of the last Gulf war. Ironically, it is only because Iraq’s military forces are so weak that we can even contemplate its invasion. Some advocates of conflict claim that Saddam’s forces are so weak, so demoralised and so badly equipped that the war will be over in a few days. We cannot base our military strategy on the assumption that Saddam is weak and at the same time justify pre-emptive action on the claim that he is a threat. Iraq probably has no weapons of mass destruction in the commonly understood sense of the term—namely a credible device capable of being delivered against a strategic city target.

I remember this whenever people claim that *everyone* believed Saddam was a huge WMD threat to the world, prior to invasion.
 
 
sleazenation
22:22 / 06.08.05
Robin Cook wasn't just critical of the government after her resigned - he resigned because he was critical of the government, on the other hand, as a friend of mine who works for BBC parliment pointed out he had already been effectively demoted back in 2001 and his grand guesture of resigning wasn't all that grand - what does the Leader of the House do exactly?

I've also had the discussion about what was the more principled position, Claire Short who stayed and attempted to do some good within the Blair government but in doing so sacrificed her credibility, or Robin Cook who took a stand against the Iraq war during the debate on it. What is your opinion on the matter fidge?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:59 / 07.08.05
Doesn't the Leader of the House manage the chief whips and the running of the Commons? He was also looking at electoral reform. And please, let's not have "if he was really against the war he would have resigned as Leader of the House, resigned as an MP and set himself on fire on Parliament Green pointing at Brian Haw and shouting 'listen to him, listen to him!'".
 
 
sleazenation
08:05 / 07.08.05
So his role as Leader of the House was at least slightly more influential than, say, if he was given the role of 'Cabinet Enforcer'?

And yes, I would like to see an informed and intelligent discussion on the relative merits of resigning in protest at the decision to go to war in Iraq during the commons vote on the subject, as Robin Cook did, or staying in the cabinet, despite personal misgivings, hoping to have some posative influence in the post conflict in Iraq situation, resigning only when it becomes apparent that this is less that possible, as Claire Short seems to have done.

Personally, I slightly torn on the issue; I can see the reasoning behind both courses of action, I can also see that having both resign at the same time would have had a greater impact, but ultimately have difficulty believing that even if half the cabinet had resigned we would not have gone to war. I can also see why Claire Short, as Minister for Overseas Development might have thought she could have important work to do in post conflict Iraq and thus stayed on, despite any misgivings she might have had, realizing that the drive for war was inevitable.
 
 
w1rebaby
08:07 / 07.08.05
That was probably a bit mean of me; "ethical foreign policy" aside, over Iraq he acted better than people who were quite happy to stay on and keep quiet.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:37 / 07.08.05
I don't know how much his intention was to damage the government, much as I wish he'd damaged it more. I get the impression he left primarily because he felt it was morally untenable for him to remain while things were going on with which he fundamentally disagreed, which is a principled attitude in itself.
 
 
Not Here Still
09:10 / 08.08.05
I'm with Stoatie on that.

He may have been a philanderer, looked like a garden gnome and had a funny voice sometimes - but damn, he was an excellent Parliamentarian.

Two hours with the Scott report - just two hours - and he demolished the Tories. Pretty impressive piece of work that, an early political memory from when I was a nipper.

I also remember watching his resignation speech live, another great performance. When he wanted to, Cook could use Parliament as his stage and perform like few others.

He seemed to be heading towards a 'friendly elder statesman' role. As someone said in yesterday's coverage, - think it was Gerald Kaufman - once she went, Claire Short became a serial rebel. Cook's more measured approach meant his criticism, when it came, was taken much more seriously.

The other thing that got me about the news yesterday was that it brought back memories of John Smith. Indeed, it was only this morning, when I checked online, that I realsied Smith didn't die in the Highlands too (he was a keen hillwalker).
 
 
sleazenation
09:45 / 08.08.05
What is it with Scottish Labour politicians and premature death? John Smith, Donald Dewar, Robin Cook - Take care of your health Mr Brown!
 
 
Not Here Still
09:47 / 08.08.05
Tony Blair's from Edinburgh, don't forget...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:21 / 08.08.05
While Cook's death is tragic, I think it's important that, as with many of the Labour MPs who felt that Iraq was a bridge too far, we do not fall into the trap of whitewashing his career.

It is worth remembering that his time as Foreign Secretary was not without blemish - despite his claims of intending to pursue an "ethical" foreign policy - see the issue of sales of arms to Idonesia and Israel.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:25 / 08.08.05
Heart scares, too. It's sad, in a way - Blair's sacrificed his own health to try and bring peace to the Galaxy.

Oh, hang on, that's not sad at all.
 
 
Not Here Still
10:31 / 08.08.05
'Ethical foreign policy' became 'foreign policy with an ethical dimension' became 'foreign policy'...
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:32 / 08.08.05
There's not a politician in the world who can't be taken down a peg or two somewhere. Let's not forget that even St. Nelson Mandela has a fair few skeletons in his closet.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:43 / 08.08.05
I don't think anyone's claiming he was the Buddha or anything... just kind of credit where credit's due, accentuate the positive and all those kind of things. I mean, when you look at the "ethical foreign policy" thing, it's clear that his definition of ethics didn't tally with mine, for example... but on Iraq he took what I can't see as anything other than a highly principled stand, and I'll applaud him for that. And railing against that particular war was what he was doing up to his death.

With regard to which- recently his comment pieces in the Guardian and elsewhere about Iraq had been consistently good as well.
 
 
Not Here Still
10:53 / 08.08.05
Interesting to note the comments of several Kosovans on the BBC tribute thread...
 
 
sleazenation
12:00 / 08.08.05
Well Flyboy, as many of the tributes I have read over the past few days have pointed out there is a massive difference between being in opposition and in government.

The article you cite on arms to Indonesia also points out that it was not Cook or the Labour government that granted arms exports licenses, and it appears that a similar case is true of sales to Israel, apparently granted under and existing 'open licence'. Further, the article on Indonesian sales heighlights that Cook managed to block some limited amounts of these licenses. So, while the 'ethical foreign policy' might not have been perfect, it was at least an improvement on what came before.

I would, however, be interested in seeing what people have to say about the Sandline affair...
 
 
Not Here Still
11:08 / 12.08.05
Bizarre. Funeral was today, Brown attended (and gave a reading), Blair didn't and got attacked for it by John McCririck of Channel Four Racing fame: full story here.

From the above link:
"What an impressive attendance we've all got. All of us have changed our plans to show our respect and affection for Robin and for Gaynor and the boys and the family.

"But there is just one exception to that - and that's the nation's leader, the prime minister.

"Now Margaret Thatcher, of course, she attended Ted Heath's service.

"I believe the prime minister's snub to Robin's family, to millions of New Labour voters, demonstrates a petty vindictiveness and a moral failure, opting to continue snorkelling instead of doing his duty. What a contrast with Lady Thatcher."
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:23 / 12.08.05
But John is a ranting Tory anyway isn't he? There was a case to be made that whatever Tony does he loses, he doesn't turn up he gets slated as being disrespectful, he turns up, McCirick mutters darkly about "how dare he show his face here, he's no friend of Robins..." and so on. And let's not forget, Blair made it clear he'd be attending the memorial service for Cook.
 
  
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