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Douglas Rushkoff's TESTAMENT

 
  

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Mr Tricks
22:48 / 15.07.05
From Newsarama.com
    "Testament takes place in a world that looks very much like ours — except for the fact that corporate interests run the government, the draft is being reinstated, terrorism is being used as a pretext for population control, the medias has become a highly controlled propaganda space, all university research is funded in one way or another by military interests, citizens are being tracked by RFID implants, money has become a kind of thought virus that people actually believe in and...wait a minute, that is pretty close to the way things really are!

    Our main story follows a group of renegades who refuse to submit to the cultural program. They use alchemy, computer networking, media hacking, and a bit of sex magick to see behind the illusions and fight against the powers that mean to eliminate novelty and free will from the human equation.

    What they slowly come to realize, however, is that these battles have been fought before. Each of their trials has a corollary in the narratives described in the Bible. Does this mean the Bible really happened? Or what?"


hmmm... this premis seems vaguely famular. Still it could prove interesting.
 
 
Billuccho!
23:16 / 15.07.05
I was going to post this, but figured someone would beat me to it.

I think it sounds pretty interesting, and is certain to stir up some kind of controversy (and any publicity is good publicity).
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:06 / 06.11.05
I just read the Rushkoff interview and the book sounds F*CKING AMAZING!

Here's a quote from George:

"Make no mistake, the Greatest Story Ever Told continues right here." -- Grant Morrison.

Really, take the time to read the piece: you won't be sorry, I think. This sounds hugely promising and quite Barbelithean.

Rushkoff's books are pretty amazing too. Anybody read Nothing Sacred?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:59 / 07.11.05
when does this actually debut?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:07 / 07.11.05
First issue ships December 21. Preview PDF is here.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:30 / 07.11.05
Oh, and look—he's relating the story of the Binding of Isaac to the military draft—the ritual sacrificing of the sons. Gosh, no one's ever done that before.

Except for Leonard Cohen. And Benjamin Britten (twice). And Heinz Insu Fenkl. And Wilfred Owen. And...

...and they're hip and young and punky and their names are AMOS and JACOB and DO YOU SEE?
 
 
matsya
19:51 / 07.11.05
jack, don't ever change. honestly. the cheque's in the mail.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
20:08 / 07.11.05
This could be rather nice. I've always liked Rushkoff since reading Ecstasy Club. He's got a good authorial voice going on. I always meant to pick up a copy of his other comic run, just never got around to it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:35 / 08.11.05
That preview is abysmal. We're talking issue 1 of Fables, 1602 quality here.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:48 / 08.11.05
"offer him to me as a burnt offfering"?

man that's bad. and on the first page.

and sharp's trying to do Quitely inny.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:29 / 08.11.05
offer him to me as a burnt offering

Well, to be fair, you can't really blame Rushkoff for that one...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:06 / 08.11.05
straight from the bible is it?

wouldn't know.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:13 / 08.11.05
anybody see his last graphic novel, published by disinfo? miserably derivative "Ravers vs the oppressors" story done about 9 years too late, with completely blank characters;and then he doesn't even bother to finish it, wrapping it up with this lame pseudo-meta "write it yourself" cop out.

he's a brilliant intellectual, of course, and his books are fantastic. but this comic career of his seems to be a fool's errand bit of cock-lengthery with his boys, if you know what i mean.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:48 / 08.11.05
Was that CLUB ZERO? (the graphic novel he wrote)
 
 
Ulysses Lazarus
09:01 / 09.11.05
I'll give it the first issue, but that's about it. I never got the obsession with Doug Rushkoff. I think he's a smart guy with an interesting perspective but nothing I go ga-ga over.

One thing I know about the man, tho, is that he writes a shit comic. While the premise sounds like it could be interesting, I have my doubts, particularly after the Club Zero-G disaster. I mean, it's cute, I'd give it to my dope smoking 14 year old nephew, but the criticisms of it above are spot on.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:06 / 09.11.05
I like the idea, but I'm not sure it'll actually be any good. I'll probably also get the first one and see how it goes from there.

This part: What led Rushkoff to develop Testament as a comic book rather than a novel? “I’m an on-again-off-again comic book reader. I have these six-month odysseys into the comics world, then I emerge for maybe a year or two. Something or someone always drags me back in again.

“I’m telling this story in comics because it’s the safest place for me to do it. I mean, my Jewish book got me blacklisted by a lot of organizations who saw in it a threat to Israel’s public relations efforts in America.

“Comic books are still under the radar in some regards. Because of their appeal to ‘kids,’ many people don’t realize how rich their content is. For me, sequential narrative is also a great format in which to tell a story that lives both inside and outside of time. I can have parts of the story happen in frames, and parts of the story happen outside them. Since the deepest theme in my work is really about the relationship between chronos and mythos—historical time and mythological time—it’s great to have a medium in which the most interesting things can happen in the spaces between frames rather than in the frames, themselves.”

Joining Rushkoff on this series is artist Liam Sharp. Did Rushkoff choose the artist, or did Vertigo put the two creators together? “Vertigo found him and put us together—but he’d be my choice for the book. The process of finding an artist was actually a bit arduous. It’s a matter of finding someone who has enough time—which usually means they’re just coming off a major project. And that means they’re tired as hell.


while not being reprehensible or anything, does kind of lead me to believe he's not too bothered about making a good comic- he just wants to tell his story. Which can be a good thing- it can also produce some huge piles of suck. (And I'm probably reading a little too much into it, but it seems to have a whiff of "comics look easy- I'll do it as a comic" about it, which I don't really like).
 
 
Jack Fear
10:08 / 09.11.05
The whole "Comics are under the radar of the Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy" thing has my warning bells ringing, too, and not in a good way.

Anyhow: Seems to me there are only a couple of effective ways to use Scripture as a source for fiction. One is to be utterly upfront about it, writing historical fiction that fills in the cracks in scriptural narrative—Per Amundsen's Barabbas, for example, or Anita Diamant's The Red Tent. Or Ben Hur. Or, y'know, Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha, for that matter. Although it is, on the surface, a very blatant and obvious move, it can yield very interesting results—it's the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead approach, coming up sideways on source material that is too holy holy holy for you to examine directly, and thus finding new ways of looking at/talking about that text—by focusing on what it omits, rather than what it includes.

The other way that comes to mind is to incorporate general themes from the archetypal scriptural stories, but to cover your tracks really well w/r/t actually referencing the stories themselves. Steinbeck's East of Eden, f'rinstance: the brother-brother conflict that plays out in the book is not literally a "retelling" of the Cain and Abel story, but another aspect of an eternal struggle woven into the human condition. These kinds of stories are not explicit translations of Bible stories into modern drag, but are deepened and enriched by resonance with scriptural messages.

All well and good. Problem is, there are also a lot of really crappy ways to write Scripture-inspired fiction.

For instance, there's the way Doug Rushkoff is doing it—trying to split the difference in the two above approaches: ostensibly telling stories of the second type but making the scriptural connection explicit, underlining it—in red—via stupid character names and ploddingly obvious dream sequences—so that his (presumably dim) readers don't miss the connection and miss exactly what a fucking postmodern genius Doug Rushkoff is: SEE WHAT I DID HERE? VERY CLEVER, YES?

Very clever, no.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:09 / 09.11.05
Also: Anybody remember that old HELLBLAZER where the Devil was prophesying the Second Coming, and saying Jesus was gonna be a black ghetto kid turned messianic rock star, and be betrayed by a kiss on the cheek from Bob Geldof, and won't he be a sight up there on the cross with his dreadlocks and his Fender Stratocaster...

Reading that passdage marked the moment when I realized that maybe this Garth Ennis wasn't quite as bright as I had previously believed. Time has proved to me I wasn't wrong.

The TESTAMENT preview gave me the same feeling.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:31 / 09.11.05
The whole "Comics are under the radar of the Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy" thing has my warning bells ringing, too, and not in a good way.

Yes, I got a bit of a bad feeling about that too.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:37 / 09.11.05
Oh, Lord. Really?

Full disclosure: I consider Rushkoff a friend. However, I share the concerns Stoatie expressed above about the apparent choice of medium as a transmitter. Stories that are not designed to be told in comics very rarely, in my experience, work as comics. Admittedly, there are so many variables within any act of creation that it is hard to make this a hard-and-fast, but certainly the ways in which Neverwhere is a shitty, shitty comic are different from the ways in which it was a shitty, shitty, TV show, for example. On the other hand, Rushkoff (or Doug, as I consider he likes to be called) gets points for referencing that comics are for kids...

On other matters, where do I know Liam Sharp from? Has he done much Vertigo stuff before?
 
 
Jack Fear
10:44 / 09.11.05
I consider Rushkoff a friend.

Get him on here.

I can't promise I'll be nice, but I promise I'll be sweet.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:20 / 09.11.05
Didn't Liam Sharp do a lot of Marvel UK work? Death's Head II, that kind of thing.

Full disclosure: I am Douglas Rushkoff. When I said that preview was abysmal I was performing an act of ontological cognitive dissonance to open your third eye.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:31 / 09.11.05
I have been AWOKEN!
 
 
Jack Fear
11:32 / 09.11.05
(Full disclosure: I haven't, really.)
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
20:08 / 09.11.05
What Earth does this take place on?

Are the 7 Soldiers in it?
 
 
Jack Fear
21:58 / 09.11.05
It's creator-owned, so—like most Vertigo books—it has no connection with the DC Universe at all.

Unless, of course, you were having little giggle by merely imitating the anal-retentive retardedness of the comics fanboy community, for knowing comic effect.

I apologize for not giving you the benefit of the doubt, Six, but one can't be too careful in the Comics forum these days.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
00:49 / 10.11.05
Any joke you have to explain is a poor one, they say.
 
 
grant
02:04 / 10.11.05
Problem is, there are also a lot of really crappy ways to write Scripture-inspired fiction.

Seems like Rushkoff's trying to do something that might be yer third way up there, but more proximately, he seems to be cribbing Philip K. Dick's Empire Never Ended/the past 1930 years were an illusion thing. Only, like, a few more years.

The Yahweh-as-Moloch thing seems a bit... well, *done*, but I'm sure there's a scad of bright 16-year-olds who'll eat that up with a spoon.
 
 
Krug
05:00 / 10.11.05
The hype was promising and the preview isn't is what I'll say. I'll reserve judgement till it's actually out. Since I didn't grow up reading all the great Vertigo books while they were coming out am I wrong to think that their recent offerings have been far below par and the days of expecting high quality from the imprint are long past unless Grant Morrison is writing?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:39 / 10.11.05
Yes. All Golden Ages are mythical.
 
 
Oedipud
08:55 / 10.11.05
I'll have to say that after wasti..uh..spending $35 on Club Zero G, I'm going to be inclined not to buy Testament.

I mean, I get it. I do. And I really can't blame Doug for trying. He seems honest, sincere in his motives, and bright...but for all that, I'm just not getting any resonance. Maybe I've been spoiled by other quality comics...maybe I'm expecting too much after reading all of Dougs' novels.

Personally, I couldn't imagine trying to make any sort of headway in today's market with that line of focus. Underground interest in the occult is dropping like a hot load from Buddhas' ass (mom and pop New Age stores are bankrupting across the Americas), and has, in fact, turned mainstream. To try to publish it as 'underground', to give it that sharp cultish edge....it just ain't going to happen.

Ten years ago, maybe. But not now.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:13 / 10.11.05
That's a good point, and it echoes what grant said upthread. It really does seem odd that a writer as determinedly zeitgeist-y and ahead-of-the-curve as Our Doogie (as I imagine he likes to be called as we sit sipping brandy with our boots on the hearth, the hunting dogs curled in a panting mass at our feet) should take on a project whose subject matter seems so... well... played-out.
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:45 / 23.12.05
Read it. Liked it VERY much. Best Vertogo debut in ages, IMO. I'm looking forward to see where this goes.

So wotta you semi-jaded posters make of it?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:02 / 23.12.05
Haven't read it, and am, as outlined above, disinclined to do so.

Perhap if you told us what you liked so much about it, and made a persuasive case, we'd change our minds. You have the floor.
 
 
rabideyemovement
14:20 / 23.12.05
It wasn't bad in any sense. I've only ever read Ecstasy Club and some essays by him, but the so far it looks like the comic is going some very interesting places. For one thing, the plot is relevant to current events. A group of young adults are on the run after a mandatory RFID law and draft registration go into place under a corporate-owned America. They get a neat little hideout with some cool equipment to allow for meditative consciousness feedback, kinda like in Ecstasy Club.
Supposedly each adventure in the story will find some Biblical parallel. Not just with the sacrifice of Isaac/implantation of main character, but making use of symbols, stories, and archtypes within the bible which repeat themselves throughout the history of human experience. Rushkoff is going to show us a Bible full of revolution against opression. Even if some feel these themes are done to death, I suppose I can't get enough, because I thought this comic was great. Liam Sharpe's art is.. excuse me.. sharp! with very nice coloring. I'm eagerly awaiting the next issue. Anyone that liked The Invisibles would easily like this book.
 
  

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