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Quantum
16:26 / 15.07.05
Is anyone else addicted to this?

see also http://www.sudoku.org.uk/
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:02 / 15.07.05
Totally and utterly - buy which ever paper has the most puzzles in it. I haven't gone so far as bought a book yet though, but only because I know that I'd be up all night doing them if I did. I do have to stop myself from doing them over peoples shoulders though, my mind screaming 'the nine goes there, idiot!'.

But, yeah, basically, I love it.
 
 
Quantum
17:10 / 15.07.05
It's weirdly like a 2d Rubik's cube...
 
 
semioticrobotic
19:38 / 15.07.05
USA Today has begun printing these and my co-workers are ADDICTED.
 
 
Smoothly
23:34 / 15.07.05
I was a recovering addict until this week, when a friend waved a copy of the Times under my nose one sunny lunchtime. It's a beautifully pure idea, so easy to understand, but so lastingly satisfying. They have the perfect learning curve too - new approaches naturally occurring all the time when you're getting the hang of them. I love the way that your mind juggles the different techniques; so you can almost feel it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:05 / 16.07.05
I've been totally avoiding these cos I really don't need another addiction, and it seems like exactly the sort of thing that'll get me. I'll give in sooner or later, I know, but I'm trying...
 
 
Professor Silly
14:58 / 18.07.05
My local paper started running them, and I was easily hooked. I then downloaded a free trial version onto my computer and haven't gotten much done since....

DAMN YOU, SUDOKU!!!
 
 
Axolotl
15:19 / 18.07.05
I am a recent convert to Su Doku. I wrote them off as in general I'm not a fan of number puzzles - I prefer the T2 crossword. However I was waiting for a train and started one out of boredom and now I'm addicted. I think the key to their addictiveness is that they're all about pattern recognition and techniques.
 
 
Smoothly
16:04 / 18.07.05
Indeed. Also, if you're me, because they've got fuck all to do with numbers.
 
 
Axolotl
18:25 / 18.07.05
True, I let the number part of Su Doku put me off, but once I got going I realised that, as you said, they've nothing to do with numbers. I guess in fact you could just as easily do them with the letters A-I.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:15 / 18.07.05
Oh fuck it, I've got a train journey tomorrow... I may pick up one of the Times books of the buggers. It does look awfully fun.
 
 
Unencumbered
06:59 / 19.07.05
Yes, Stoatie, come over to the Dark Side...
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:16 / 19.07.05
Nothing beats that cold logical moment where you crack a fiendish - nothing worse than that sinking moment when you realise that you can't back track on an error, ruining the whole damned thing.
 
 
Quantum
09:35 / 19.07.05
It does look awfully fun.

Heh, Stoatie, the first hit's free...
 
 
hanabius yamamura
17:57 / 05.08.05
re haven't gone so far as bought a book yet though, but only because I know that I'd be up all night doing them if I did

... I have fallen to the dark side ... bought a book at 4pm today and I'm on my 7th f@#kin' one already ...

re Nothing beats that cold logical moment where you crack a fiendish - nothing worse than that sinking moment when you realise that you can't back track on an error, ruining the whole damned thing

... god, yes, I SO SO know what you mean ...

... and, worst of all, it's F@~KIN@ ACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... I can't stop doin' them ...

...
 
 
Benny the Ball
05:36 / 06.08.05
Along with your main places to play, here is a rather nifty flash game version of the beloved puzzle -

A puzzle named Su
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:21 / 06.08.05
Okay, I put it off as long as I could... but that wasn't long enough, and I caved in, bought a book, and even bought a pencil and a rubber. And a pencil sharpener.

The fucking thing's driving me nuts.

What an elegant, cunning, logical absolute MOTHERFUCKER of a game. Addictive, yes indeedy.
 
 
Mistoffelees
08:26 / 10.12.05
I´ve tried and solved my first sudoku yesterday, and have been doing some this morning. Wow, they are fun!

Here´s a sudoku site (with other riddles, too), you may not know yet. You can solve the riddle right there on the site, and it will tell you, if you´ve solved it correctly:

zeit sudoku

They have a huge archive of them, with new riddles almost every single day.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:49 / 31.01.06
You know, I just fail to see the appeal of this. Every tupenny broadsheet here in the States is running one of these now—the free weekly circular's got one tucked in between the pizza coupons and the want ads—and the whole thing just does nothing for me.

I'm a huge fan of crosswords, both American-style and cryptic (though I suck rocks at the latter); I dig acrostics, and even cryptograms. But sudoku...

A crossword rewards pattern-recognition, general knowledge, and lateral thinking, as well as deduction. Sudoku rewards... what? Close observation?

It's basically a very, very, very dumbed-down version of a "Five men from five different countries live in five different-colored houses and each smoke a different brand of cigar" puzzle. I can do 'em, right and relatively quickly, but I'm left with no feeling of accomplishment whatever.

Is it just me?
 
 
Smoothly
14:47 / 31.01.06
I think part of the appeal of Sudoku is that it mimics the thrills of more complicated puzzles and makes them more accessible. For one thing there’s the cascading effect you get from crosswords (an answer in one area aiding a solution in another), and also the moments of freefall momentum you get in the same, and also games like draughts (checkers) – bish bash bosh bash bish. There also seems to be a heightened sense of intuition at work in Sudoku. All options are equally apparent at once (unlike crosswords where the clues are separate from the playing space) and looking at the grid feels to me a little bit like taking in a chess board mid-play. The space isn’t processed mechanically (like lots of other logic puzzles) but as different overlapping groupings. You might start a game of Sudoku in a mechanical way (look for pairs, say) but soon you find yourself having hunches that a particular row or column or box looks weak and doable.

Of course, compared with crosswords, Sudoku is more about speed than completeness. And again, that feeds into the feeling that good intuition is rewarded over technique or knowledge. But I think their popularity has more to do with fact that a very simple computer programme can churn them out for next to nothing, and anyone can play them. They’re probably not as rewarding as more skill-based puzzles are for those who have developed those skills, but then I don’t think that’s the market they’re aimed at.


By the way Jack, when you talk about 'American-style' crosswords, do you mean synonym-based ones? We have those in the UK too, but do you not get the cryptic sort so much in the States? (I'm assuming that by cryptic you mean the 'This could be excrement, 4' type.)
 
 
Jack Fear
16:05 / 31.01.06
when you talk about 'American-style' crosswords, do you mean synonym-based ones? We have those in the UK too, but do you not get the cryptic sort so much in the States?

Spot-on. The better synonym-based crosswords (I'm thinking the Sunday New York Times) use wordplay to an extent, but nowhere near to the extent of those Times-of-London diagramless jobbies.
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:30 / 05.02.06
I´m still doing these riddles. These days I´ve become so good at them, I´m only doing the really difficult ones. And they´re very different to the average sudokus. After one third you hit a wall, and have to start combining, "thinking outside the box" and looking for patterns. It feels like a brain workout.

The addictiveness is something, that I don´t like, btw. If I start, I can do them for at least an hour. It´s not getting boring yet, and I can become bored quite fast.
 
  
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