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Games for casual gamers

 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:20 / 14.07.05
What games would you recommend to a casual gamer? Currently I like silly, compulsive games with very little point (WarioWare, Super Monkey Ball) pretty much exclusively. I enjoy GTA games, but am not so good at them; the one game I am actually good at is Super Smash Brothers, if I play as the Ice Climbers. I am very poor at platform games or first person shooters, but if there's anything that you think is fun and would get me into these types of games I'd like to hear about them! -as I think that most of my being bad is due to not really engaging, if there was something I really wanted to be good at I'd make the effort. (I hope, anyway. It would be bad to have reached adulthood without the ability to move one's thumbs independently of each other)

If it helps, I have access to a Game Cube and an Xbox, and am thinking of getting a DS.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:40 / 14.07.05
If you can get a copy of it for those machines, Bubble Bobble, or Bust-a-move is fantastic, really simple, really adictive and really good fun, and doesn't get tired at all. Ah, yes Bust-A-Move is the one, I remember now. I can play that for hours.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:41 / 14.07.05
Yeah, puzzle titles are always a good bet for casual gamers.

On the FPS thing, have you tried Metroid Prime? Aside from some frustrating boss battles, that cuts back on the complexity of most console FPSes by removing the requirement to move and alter your view at the same time - instead of having to work both analogue sticks together, you only use the one. It's also lets you lock on to enemies, rather than having to target them yourself. Strictly speaking it's not really an FPS, but I'd still recommend trying it out.

Have you thought of giving a music/bemani game a try? Donkey Konga - the bongos game on the Cube - is good fun. Dead simple to learn (clap, hit left, hit right and hit both together are the only controls) and, because of teh visual cues, can be played relatively well even if you've got no real sense of rhythm. Sticking with bemani, if there's a possibility of a PS2 making its way into your house, I'd definitely recommend Space Channel 5 Part 2. In theory it's little more than Simon Says, but in practice it's like taking part in a musical stage show version of Barbarella. I've got myself into many an argument by claiming that it's the one of the best games of this generation - anybody can pick it up and play it, and it never fails to make them break out into a huge grin. It's just FUN.

The problem is that the PS2 is probably the best under-the-telly console around for casual gamers, simply because the fact that there are many more games for it than there are teh Cube or Xbox means that you've got a far better chance of finding something that appeals to you. It's home to some wonderful hidden gems.

Gregory Horror Show, for example. A sort of spiritual successor to the Lucasarts adventures it sees you - in the form of a little box-headed boy or a little box-headed girl - moving into a hotel in limbo that's run by a miserable, porn-fixated mouse and his domineering mother who lives in the attic (yay Psycho!) and trying to steal the souls (kept in glass jars) of other guests (a cowardly cactus gunman, a skeleton fish with a TV for a head, called 'TV Fish', an insane chef who's actually a candle) to give to Death so that he can send you on your way. Steal a soul successfully and its original owner will come chasing after you, should they see you, while you're trying to steal the others. You have to spy on them through keyholes (doing so makes your eye squeak like it's made of rubber when you look around) so that you can jot down their daily routine in your diary, allowing you to continue to move around the hotel in search of other souls without stumbling into them. It's one of the wittiest, smartest and most charming - albeit slightly disturbingly so - games around. It's also extremely welcoming to casual gamers.

The one ace that the Cube does have is Animal Crossing, which is more of a virtual playground than a traditional videogame. Create your own little avatar, move him or her into a randomly generated village, full of animal villagers. Spend your time digging up weeds, planting fruit trees, talking to other villagers, running errands for them, teaching them new words, designing your own clothes, completing a collection of furniture for your house. Go fishing, searching for fossils or catching rare bugs to help the curator of the village museum to fill out his exhibits. Tade presents with other owners of the game via a password system. Stick their village memory card in the second slot on your console and visit it - write them a letter, plant a new fruit in their village so that it'll grow into a new tree for them. travel back to your own village and discover that one of your villagers has performed a location swap with one of theirs.

The game's also linked to the Cube's internal clock, which opens up some truly magical moments. Saturdays after 7PM, there's a dog that busks down by the train station. Go and listen to him play and he'll give you an audio tape of one of his songs, which you can then play on the hifi in your house. If the sound quality's a bit shit, buy a different hifi (I got a gramophone for that scratchy, old-timey sound). Sunday mornings, play the turnip stock exchange. Fish and bugs are seasonal, meaning that you can catch different ones at different times of the year. When it's your birthday, your villagers will give you presents. During spring there's a sports day. My favourite event is meteor night, when you can see chunks of meteors falling from the sky in your village pool.

I regularly travel to the villages of those friends who own the game. Their regular human inhabitants range from between six and sixty-two years of age. It honestly is a game for anybody.
 
 
The Strobe
11:51 / 15.07.05
I agree on trying Metroid Prime, if only to experience a 3D world you'll probably be able to control. I think many people forget just how difficult twin-stick control is. Halo makes a huge number of demands on your hands, and it takes time to get good at using two fingers and two thumbs all independently.

I think you'd get a lot out of a DS. There's a lot of simple, human interface/puzzle type stuff on there - Zoo Keeper and Polarium instantly spring to mind. At the same time, Zoo Keeper has a great time attack mode, and also high score charts, so there's onus to get "good" rather than merely idle time away (as so many people think the DS is only fit for). It also opens up a whole world of Gameboy Advance games (which are really cheap now), many of which you might also enjoy. In particular, I'd suggest Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, and Zelda: Minish Cap.

In fact, Zelda games in general. They have fairly simple interfaces, you can move the camera but it's not essential to gameplay. Combat uses a good-quality lock-on, making efective movement and dodging easy, but it's not hard. They're engaging, big, have fun bits and lateral bits, and are usually charming. Wind Waker and Minish Cap are places I'd recommend you begin; I find Link to the Past (whilst good) a bit much as one's first Zelda.

Advance Wars is always worth a look, and there are lots of adventure/RPGs available; they require skill, sure, but not skill with buttons.

That's what I think you mean by "not good at them"; you're not good at their traditional interfaces. Games which don't require instant reaction with complex control schemes are fine; games which require instant reaction with simple schemes (DS stuff, rythmn action, lightgun stuff - anything with a haptic interface) is fine, as are games with complex control schemes but no "real-time" element. Combining the two is difficult, make no mistake.

Buy a DS, definitely, if you're already thinking of it, maybe with Zoo Keeper, Advance Wars 1, and Minish Cap. Keep plugging away at Monkey Ball - despite its simple interface, it's a pretty skillful game. And don't worry that twinsticks are too much. There are a lot of fantastic games that don't demand you control movement and camera all at once.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:46 / 15.07.05
It's also worth pointing out that pretty much everybody had some trouble adapting to dual stick control at first - the only reason I'm any good at it now is because I kept plugging away. In fact, the same applies to analogue control in general - for the first couple of hours, I had enormous difficulty getting the hang of Mario 64. My brother only finally got the hang of mouselook in PC FPSes last year, after having tried and failed ever since Quake first appeared. Like most things, it's just practice.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
13:03 / 15.07.05
Benny, Bust-a-Move and Bubble Bobble are both available for GBA (hence may be quite cheap), so I'll definitely look into those if (when) I get a DS! And they're both on PS2 as well. Speaking of which...

if there's a possibility of a PS2 making its way into your house

It's been discussed. And, after reading your post, I'm going to be a lot more on the 'for' side than I might have been before -Gregory Horror Show sounds ace, and I've just had a look at some of the screenshots and it seems to be cute in the good way. (Nothing says 'cute in the good way' like a chef who's actually a candle...)

We have Metroid at home, so I'll give that a shot! Not having to handle a camera as well as a character sounds useful -I'd never though of trying it before because it was a game I didn't tend to watch when it was being played (and, of course, was 3D). Possibly a big reason I don't play games is just lack of confidence -which sounds kind of silly when you consider it's something done for fun, but as Paleface (and now Dupre, I've just checked the thread while writing this...) mentioned it can be difficult to learn an entirely new way of controlling a game.

RPGs are something I wouldn't normally have associated with casual gaming -whenever I hear the acronym I think about the kind of games where you spend the first twenty hours making axe heads, or the kind of games where you need to carry spreadsheets worth of figures around in your head before you can get, maybe, a new hat for your character. If this is not the case though, I'm interested...
 
 
The Strobe
14:12 / 15.07.05
RPGs are something I wouldn't normally have associated with casual gaming -whenever I hear the acronym I think about the kind of games where you spend the first twenty hours making axe heads, or the kind of games where you need to carry spreadsheets worth of figures around in your head before you can get, maybe, a new hat for your character. If this is not the case though, I'm interested...

By and large, you are right. However, Mario and Luigi is an exception, because there's not much pointless levelling-up, no stupid random battles, an entertaining plot and really, really simple statistics. It's brilliant fun. Zelda, by contrast, isn't really an RPG at all - it's an action adventure. I'd steer clear of stuff like Golden Sun et al, because they are very traditional Japanese RPGs.

But no, it's not all about power-levelling at all. Sometimes they are fun, too!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:24 / 16.07.05
I'd recommend Lego Star Wars, if you like either Lego or Star Wars. It's lots of fun, is ideal for playing in short bursts, and is VERY forgiving (when you die, you usually just end up losing pieces of Lego, then reappear exactly where you were) but it has a ton of hidden stuff for those times when you feel like getting in a bit deeper.
 
 
Waltzing Ganainm
20:57 / 20.07.05
Lego Star Wars occupies a very special place in my heart since I completed the Pod Race - though I'm missing one mini kit piece which means redoing the whole race again and almost makes me want to cry.

This game is a lot of fun if you can get access to a PS2, and earns you the love and respect of small children who then want to fight each other with light sabres rather than the droids firing at them.
 
 
hanabius yamamura
17:03 / 29.07.05
re I'd definitely recommend Space Channel 5 Part 2. In theory it's little more than Simon Says

... whilst I can't agree with this statement more (as I still play part 1 on dreamcast to HUGE satisfaction), I'd also recommend Dancing Stage Unleashed on xbox, part 2 having just been released but I've yet to play that one ...

... it's great fun with the dance mat BUT, if you're a casual gamer and don't wanna go down the dance mat road, it's also ace with a controller and flows into that simon says sc:5 zone ... honestly! ... AND, if you're sad like me, you can download japanese trance from xbox live and get your cheapies when you're drunk doin' a button bashin' frenzy ...

 
 
Tezcatlipoca
21:29 / 29.07.05
but it has a ton of hidden stuff for those times when you feel like getting in a bit deeper.

Indeed. The disco-dancing Kaminoans were fantastic...
 
 
Waltzing Ganainm
22:16 / 29.07.05
Oh I laughed... If you add moustaches everyone looks like 70s porn stars, if you can imagine lego people as 70s porn stars.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
02:51 / 02.08.05
If you have a Gamecube, you really ought to try out Zelda: Wind Waker. It is so gosh-darn purty. You might also want to look into Meteos for DS, which is a really nifty puzzle game. If you do in fact have a PS2 coming your way, things open up. There is EyeToy, which is amazingly fun, Katamari Damacy, the greatest game of all time. I would also check out the Tony Hawk games (for any system). They are great for the casual gamer.
 
 
iamus
23:07 / 09.08.05
Do you have regular home access to a PC or Mac? If so, I recommend you get yourself a copy of SCUMM VM.

And then:

Zak McKracken

Loom

The Secret of Monkey Island

Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge

Day of the Tentacle

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

and

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis

They need no gamesplaying skill other than pointing a mouse, clicking a button and the ability to think logically (and illogically).
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:28 / 10.08.05
I'd recommend Sonic Mega Collection + for Xboxen or Cube - the Sonic games are easy, fast and very fun. I still beat them every few months, 11 years after they came out. Dying is harder than most games and you can usualy bomb through the levels at a fair old pace.
 
 
Shrug
17:53 / 31.08.05
Vincennes: Although you've mentioned that platformers aren't your forte I'm going to suggest Sonic Adventure Battle 2.
As a platformer it's very easy but also there are a few different elements to the game that I think you might really enjoy. Your liking for "compulsive little games with very little point" makes me think the Chao Garden's section (which I found very addictive) might be for you. Basically in each stage of the main game you pick up token animals which you feed to your Chaos giving them specific attributes as they grow, evolve and breed. You may also race and fight them (although it isn't a fully interactive experience) mold their personalities and teach them various skills.
Link here
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:43 / 02.09.05
Does anyone have links to actual downloadable versions of the Monkey Island games?

If only I hadn't thrown out my 5-1/4 inch drive...
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
04:40 / 02.09.05
Rothkoid- Google Maniac Mansion Deluxe. It stands alone. I got it off of gamershell.com, I think.

Mel got that piece of info for me. Thanks, Mel.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
04:43 / 02.09.05
Sorry, I thought you said Maniac Mansion, not Monkey's Island. That's still the best I got, though.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
19:09 / 21.09.05
Katamari Damacy, the greatest game of all time.

So true. Katamari Damacy is the best game I've played in... I dunno, maybe ever.

Play it if you want to love life.
 
 
iamus
19:25 / 21.09.05
I totally didn't notice that others were looking for the Lucasarts games, nor that they had been removed from the abandonware sites.

I can put those games up for those who want them, but I'm not sure when or for how long. Anyone interested can PM me and I'll keep you in mind for when I can get it done.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:03 / 21.09.05
Play it if you want to love life.

Dude, I would if I could, if Namco would ditch whatever problem they've got with Europe and actually put the fucking thing out. As it is, I'm now waiting on EA to gift us with the sequel some time in the new year.

Yep. EA. Possibly one of the oddest publishing deals ever.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
23:54 / 21.09.05
Yeah, I have a chipped PS2, so thankfully I can get games from all over. I actually had it chipped mostly so I could just play Katamari Damacy.

I thought it was Namco's fault, for not anticipating the insane fan following this game has? Either way, a travesty.

The sequel is ace, as well. More of the same, which in this franchise's case, is a wonderful thing.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:34 / 12.10.05
Vincennes, I too am like you and am not the best at gaming. However, I have discovered a very large talent for games such as Black and White and Sim City. (Currently I have over a million quid to spend in Sim City, and my people love me. Glee!) Black and White is beautiful and it doesn't rush you. It's frenetic games which I am useless at, but these two are tempered and calm. (Mostly.)

I also think that anyone with a too-many-buttons issue does well with turns based games. Final Fantasy X is good because you can sit and think about what you are doing, or plan wheat you should do next and there is no time pressure, and no-one is suddenly going to swing around the corner and shoot you into a billion bits. Final Fantasy is also made by Squaresoft so if you like beautiful graphics, then you'll like it very much.

I played a lot of FFX with the beautiful man - I did the walking around exploring bits, and he did the battling. It was lovely to play together, and I even managed to do battle myself (and win) by the end of the game.

God I sound like such a girl.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:55 / 12.10.05
I loved Black And White- I think a lot of people dismiss it for being a flawed masterpiece, rather than TEH MASTERPIECE!!!11!! they were expecting.
If anyone else finds it as addictive as I did for the first while, though, it may push 'em over the line between "Casual Gamer" and "for fuck's sake, don't you EVER do anything else?"
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:03 / 14.10.05
Yeah, I have a chipped PS2, so thankfully I can get games from all over. I actually had it chipped mostly so I could just play Katamari Damacy.

This is kind of ridiculous - actually, it's extremely ridiculous - but I've only just realised that I've got access to a modded PS2, and have had for, ooh, about two years. Long story. Short version: I'm stupid.

So that's the original Katamari on the way, along with that Magic Pengel: Quest for Color doodling/RPG thing.

Also, it's been pointed out to me that I've been getting confused where the whole thing with Namco not releasing it over here is concerned, because Namco don't publish games in Europe, full stop. I think the confusion was coming about because they're a fairly large presence on shop shelves regardless (although it could just be down to that thing of me being stupid).

Makes it even more weird and annoying that the game hasn't had a PAL conversion, though - you'd think that there'd be loads of other companies fighting over the publishing rights.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:43 / 14.10.05
I'd recommend Soul Calibur 2 on PS2 - you can get a surprisingly, and in many ways satisfyingly long way in that by pressing the handset pretty much at random, I've found.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:16 / 15.10.05
Alex's Grandma, that is exactly the kind of game I like. I was just about to agree with Olula that I didn't like frenetic games, but thinking about that it's just that I don't like frenetic games that also require rapt concentration and skill. Burnout is also great for this reason, because as soon as a difficult corner happens you realise that crashing can be good too. Sometimes.

I've heard good things about Black & White, might look into that! I also used to play a lot of Sim City when I was wee, before my younger brother became interested in the game, demonstrated a prodigious skill at it, and left me feeling somewhat discouraged that I was being pwned by a ten year old. I could get into that again now that I've moved out of home and he won't be hanging over my shoulder laughing at my stupid zoning decisions.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:21 / 15.10.05
In terms of beat 'em ups, Dead or Alive Ultimate is another one that you can make some progress in - and enjoy - while not really knowing what you're doing. It can also be fun for newcomers to play in multiplayer, provided that there's an agreement not to use reversals.

The Cube's Super Smash Bros. Melee is good fun in a "smacking all the buttons, not entirely sure what I'm doing" way. Really simple set of controls and a game that places more emphasis on timing than it does memorising strings of button presses.

If you enjoy Sim City, I'd suggest giving Civilisation 3 a go. The turn-based nature lets you take things at your own pace and it hides its complexity really well behind a dead simple, attractive interface. It's one of the few games I know where it is actually possible to do what it says on the box and win with a cultural victory, rather than just building a huge army and killing everybody else, and that makes it feel, at times, like a world-building sim.

Also, the fact that it's turn-based means that you don't end up with the sort of horror that faces you after a few hours play in Black & White. I enoyed that game for the first couple of worlds, but soon found the constant micro-management sapped the life out of it. "We need more wood!" "Your people are starving!" Gah! Fuck off!

Civ, in comparison, doesn't have anything that annoys to the same degree, but it still gives you the same hit of seeing the consequences of your actions, watching your world grow and expand. Best PC game ever, says Randy.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
12:40 / 15.10.05
The Cube's Super Smash Bros. Melee is good fun in a "smacking all the buttons, not entirely sure what I'm doing" way. Really simple set of controls and a game that places more emphasis on timing than it does memorising strings of button presses.

Yes, I love this one, and it was reading about it that made me want to buy the Game Cube -I think I bought it the same time we got the console. The stupid power-ups, like suddenly being huge or made of metal are fun, and it just has a deeply pleasing silliness about it. I was amazed, on looking at the tutorial, that there are actually moves that you can learn, rather than just constantly turning round, hitting the enemy with your little hammer, driving him off the edge of the cliff / roof / pokemon stadium and repeating endlessly.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:41 / 18.10.05
It's a great game. I've seen some fairly deep strat guides written for it, although I'm with you in not really being capable of doing anything more than repeatedly hitting somebody with a brolly.

Did you try out Metroid Prime yet? I was just thinking that, while you'll probably get a lot from it, the unique control scheme means that it's not really the best trainer for other FPSs. If you're wanting to be able to get a handle on dual stick control, it might be an idea to check out one of the console ports of Serious Sam.

I think it's fair to presume that most people who can use dual stick control well learned how to do it some time ago, with games that were far less complex than most of the current batch. The first game I ever played that had a requirement to be able to change the direction of your movement and your view at the same time was Terminator: Future Shock on the PC, with its mouse/keyboard setup - a control scheme that isn't a million miles away from dual sticks on a control pad. It helped, I think, that the FPS bits of that game asked me to do little more than move, shoot and change weapon.

Which is where Serious Sam comes in. It's just run and shoot. No ladders to climb, no vehicles to use, no gun emplacements to take control of. Just run and shoot. That simplicity might make it easier for you to get a handle on using the two sticks at once. The main skill it asks you to use is the old circle strafe, because that's always the best way to deal with its bad guys - once you can pull that off without having to think about it, you'll probably find that you're suddenly able to use dual sticks in most other games, too.

It's also great fun. I bought the first Xbox game for £8 last week and I've been enjoying it hugely - far more than the 'deeper' FPSs that I've been subjected to in recent months. Give it a go.
 
 
last exit
01:23 / 21.10.05
I agree with Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!, Katamari Damacy is definitely one of the best, most life-affirming, deliciously brimming with kid-magic games I have yet played. And speaking as a non-gamer myself (likewise, the Tom Robbins wish fulfillment being a goal that has since tormented my adolescence and beyond), if I might, I'd also recommend Monster Rancher 2, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Insanity's Requiem and from the first-person shooter category, Resident Evil 4. See also (if you find the courage, the rewards are worth it) any of of the Silent Hill (for PS2) games. Good luck!
 
  
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