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Rove Exposed - Bush Impeachment

 
  

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grant
21:35 / 04.08.05
Apparently, Novak just said "That's bullshit!" to James Carville on live TV and stormed out of the CNN newsroom.

So there's some kind of Plame coverage going on.
 
 
ibis the being
20:49 / 05.08.05
Actually they were just about to talk about Plame but hadn't quite gotten to it yet. Novak, as you'd expect, claims that had nothing to do with anything.
 
 
ibis the being
14:19 / 30.09.05
Update on this story --

Judith Miller has been released from prison after agreeing to testify in the grand jury probe. Evidently her anonymous source on the story-that-was-never-written was "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff. It would appear that Libby has given her the go-ahead to testify.
 
 
sleazenation
14:02 / 28.10.05
Looks like Libby is going to be charged today while Rove is still under investigation...
 
 
w1rebaby
16:14 / 28.10.05
Libby has been indicted.

A source close to the White House told ABC News that Libby's "boxes are packed" and that he will resign from his post after the indictment. Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor appointed to lead the investigation, will make remarks on the case at 2 p.m. ET.

Rove, deputy White House chief of staff and Bush's closest adviser, appears to have escaped indictment, but Fitzgerald is expected to continue his investigation.

Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said he was told by Fitzgerald's office that investigators had "made no decision about whether or not to bring charges" and would continue their probe into Rove's conduct.
 
 
Slim
19:17 / 28.10.05
Rove- 1
Justice- 0
 
 
Hieronymus
19:42 / 28.10.05
Rove- 1
Justice- 0


That's not how I see it, Slim. As a matter of fact, this is a helluva victory against the Bush White House. The investigation isn't ending (not by a long shot). And of all the people Fitzgerald could've tackled in an effort to fry the bigger fish, Libby is perfect. Twist on him hard enough and the whole house of cards falls.

From page 5 of the indictment:

"On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Divison. LIBBY understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA."

It's only going to get better from here on out.
 
 
sleazenation
20:01 / 28.10.05
More like Rove-0 Justice-0 going into extra time.

Rove hasn't been indicted yet, but he hasn't been cleared either. The investigation is into him is still ongoing.
 
 
Slim
20:28 / 28.10.05
I would be surprised if Libby turned on the Bush administration. These guys get to where they are because of their propensity for loyalty.

I would also think that Rove was the first target but they weren't able to nail him (yet). So I'm going to give the first round to Rove but yes, the game is not yet over.
 
 
sleazenation
20:34 / 28.10.05
By the by, is there any word on why Libby was on crutches today?
 
 
diz
20:34 / 28.10.05
I would be surprised if Libby turned on the Bush administration. These guys get to where they are because of their propensity for loyalty.

Yeah. Scooter's a bullet-taker.
 
 
sleazenation
20:43 / 28.10.05
Ah, ask the question and Newsnight answers (thank you Stephanie Flanders, daughter of Michael Flanders of Flanders and Swann fame) - Libby hurt himself in a skining accident.

As for Bullet-taking - i don't think so. Libby is no mere minnow. As chief aide to Vice-President Dick Cheney, Libby had been involved in almost every major decision made by the Bush administration. With trial in the works, a lot of questions can be asked in a court of law, possibly with Dick Cheney in the witness box on oath...
 
 
Hieronymus
20:45 / 28.10.05
feh. I'd wager that loyalty tack doesn't stand up very long when you're looking at a possible 30 year prison sentence. And after reading the indictment, they've sure as hell got a strong case.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
23:14 / 28.10.05
Bush would no doubt have preferred resolution today, whether it was a call from the hangman or a fresh pack of Get Out Of Jail Free cards. This one will run and run, with the i8nvestigation of Rove rumbling on. Getting his scalp is less important than befouling the Republican nest, in a sense. This way Bush has a much harder time drawing a line in the quicksand.
 
 
Cherielabombe
23:14 / 28.10.05
YAY!!! And Rove still under investigation! YAAAAY!

>>More coherent post later..<<
 
 
Aertho
00:14 / 29.10.05
Alright, I really would like to understand what is going on, but I'm confused. Could someone please summarize what has happened? Yes, I suppose I've been under a rock, but I don't know how the events are related, or how they've unfolded. This dude's wife is a spy? For the Bush Administration? And Libby, Novak, and Turd Blossom are in trouble for telling a reporter? Help me.
 
 
diz
02:46 / 29.10.05
As for Bullet-taking - i don't think so. Libby is no mere minnow. As chief aide to Vice-President Dick Cheney, Libby had been involved in almost every major decision made by the Bush administration. With trial in the works, a lot of questions can be asked in a court of law, possibly with Dick Cheney in the witness box on oath...

Yeah, and you would think that Watergate and Iran-Contra would have netted bigger fish than it did, too, but they didn't, because people like Cheney have no shortage of people willing to fall on their swords for them.

Perjury's not a problem if you can get everyone to stick to the same story. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it's going to be a hard uphill climb.

feh. I'd wager that loyalty tack doesn't stand up very long when you're looking at a possible 30 year prison sentence. And after reading the indictment, they've sure as hell got a strong case.

I don't know about that. First of all, Bush can and probably will issue an 11th hour pardon at the end of his term for anyone involved in this, so we're talking about, at most, 2-3 years in a minimum security facility for Libby or anyone else who takes the fall for the big guys.

Second, not to be too conspiratorial, anyone in Libby's position who rolled over on the Bush family and its allies would have a lifespan measurable in months. They don't fuck around.

Alright, I really would like to understand what is going on, but I'm confused. Could someone please summarize what has happened? Yes, I suppose I've been under a rock, but I don't know how the events are related, or how they've unfolded. This dude's wife is a spy? For the Bush Administration? And Libby, Novak, and Turd Blossom are in trouble for telling a reporter? Help me.

Valerie Plame is a CIA operative. Her husband Joseph Wilson is a retired diplomat, and he helped blow the lid on the Niger yellowcake memo, basically revealing that the evidence that Bush presented in his State of the Union that Iraq was developing a nuke was forged.

Then, someone, somewhere blew Plame's cover. This unidentified leaker talked to Robert Novak, who in turn mentioned in her column that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA operative.

Now, obviously, the identity of an undercover CIA operative is classified information, and blowing someone's cover while they're in the field could endanger the agent's life and jeopardize US intelligence-gathering operations. Plus, it's a violation of security clearances.

The leaker is speculated to have done this in retaliation for Wilson criticizing the administration. Of course, whoever leaked the info could be in serious trouble. The speculation of those "in the know" inside the Beltway fell immediately on Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. Now Dick Cheney's top aide, Scooter Libby, has been indicted by a grand jury in connection with the independent counsel's investigation.
 
 
Aertho
02:52 / 29.10.05
Now, obviously, the identity of an undercover CIA operative is classified information, and blowing someone's cover while they're in the field could endanger the agent's life and jeopardize US intelligence-gathering operations.

She was "in the field" then? Her marriage was a sham? She was undercover as a wife?
 
 
diz
06:57 / 29.10.05
She was "in the field" then? Her marriage was a sham? She was undercover as a wife?

No, no. I think she was using the sort of access diplomat's wives get as a cover for intelligence work. Her marriage was on the level, AFAIK.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:41 / 29.10.05
Chad - this primer may help.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:36 / 29.10.05
I don't mean to disrespect Chad but he is an American, iirc. And not any average Joe but a Barbeloid-American. Yet all of this is, apparently, news to him. That speaks volumes for news management in ths US.
 
 
Slim
21:33 / 29.10.05
It's been in the news non-stop. If you pay attention to the news, hearing about it is unavoidable.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
22:07 / 29.10.05
I had a quick check back there and conclude that not only doesn't Chad watch tv but he doesn't bother to read threads before posting on them. ibis explained the whole thing very elegantly just one page back at the theadhead.

Good to hear that the tv news coverage is all over this. Hope they keep up the pressure, now they've reattached their cojones.
 
 
Aertho
23:31 / 29.10.05
Yes, you're right Xoc, I didn't read this thread that thoroughly. I skimmed and missed the section that would've helped me the greatest. To be clear: I do watch television, but the coverage I've seen has not been forthcoming with the information I needed. Mostly in reference to the outing, not timelines or diagrams. The whole "undercover wife" thing threw me and seemed overly action-thriller.

Much thanks to Diz and Haus for the clarification.
 
 
quixote
03:38 / 30.10.05
One point I don't see discussed here (I may have missed it), is who forged the famous documents to begin with.

To recap: --Cheney Admin makes case for war, nuclear weapons a major component because that resonates, scare-talk about Saddam buying yellowcake from Niger. --Jpe Wilson publishes piece saying the yellowcake story was nonsense and based on forged documents. --Wilson's wife outed in revenge, which ends her career (she was officially an energy consultant for Brewster Something-or-other, as well as a "diplomat's wife"), leads to unknown jeopardy, possibly fatal, for any of her contacts overseas (who instantly come under suspicion), and is expected to cause seriously bad morale among US spies (which may not be a bad thing?). --Question of WHY the documents were forged and by whom is quietly never answered.

Information coming out now leads back, via Italian spies, to the same group of neocons at the White House. For those of us who want to jump to conclusions, it looks suspiciously like the Cheney Administration forged documents to back up lies in order to lead the country into an illegal war.

That also explains why they were so livid that Wilson would dare mention the problem to begin with. If they couldn't shut him up, then the whole thing might unravel, right back to them.

The two best sites I've found for (mounds of) details on all this are Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo and Laura Rozen's War and Piece.
 
 
Cherielabombe
11:07 / 30.10.05
There's a very interesting interview on Thursday's Democracy Now that talks a lot about the original forged documents and the role the Italian government and media played.

What I found especially interesting about this interview is that it revealed that there might be/have been sealed indictments. Sealed indictments would not be revealed to the public, and those indicted would not be notified about it. The reason for this is so that others close to those receiving sealed indictments would not be aware that they are being investigated. This means that there may in fact have been more people indicted on Friday than just Libby.

Chad, essentially this whole Valerie Plame thing goes back to the false case the Bush Administration made in order to sell the American public on the Iraq war. So, in a sense the Iraq war, and the case for it, is also on trial.

I do think there is a bit of poetic justice in the fact that the "Cheney cabal" attempted to smear Joe Wilson in part due to their arrogant attitude of 'because we can.' Joe Wilson was, to them, likely just an irritating little gnat to them. But ithis little brush off just may bring the Bush administration down.
 
 
quixote
17:12 / 30.10.05
Some mozzies carry malaria.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:52 / 12.12.05
I just watched "All the President's Men" on DVD, and it got me SO stoked for Rove and Libby to go down, hard.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:50 / 16.12.05
Novak has now said in public that he feels certain that Bush knows the ID of the leaker and called Bush out, suggesting that Bush is obligated to disclose everything he knows on the subject.
 
 
quixote
02:35 / 18.12.05
The scuttlebutt is that Fitzgerald (well, the grand jury, to be precise) will be indicting Rove before the end of the year. Obstruction of justice, and the like. I can't see El Arbusto surviving without the voice in his transmitter, so what's he going to do? Pardon immediately? Or wait a bit? Or figure that with God on his side, he don't need no stinkin babyface pullin his strings? I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the latter, in which case I can watch his future progress with considerable interest. (cackles evilly)
 
 
ibis the being
23:36 / 06.04.06
Update on the Fitzgerald investigation -

Libby is Implicating Bush and Cheney in the leaks.

I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
 
Woodsurfer
00:01 / 07.04.06
This revelation was a ray of sunshine in my day. Is that thud I hear the sound of the mighty falling?
 
 
Baz Auckland
03:13 / 07.04.06
I love the defence though. It doesn't quite have the ring of "If the president does it, it isn't illegal", but still...

From Yahoo News: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the president has the "inherent authority to decide who should have classified information."
 
 
electric monk
11:26 / 07.04.06
This article has the quote that I was hoping to see resurface.

Bush has repeatedly denounced the leaks that are a trademark of inside-the-Beltway politics. In September 2003, for example, he said: "There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington. There's leaks at the executive branch, there's leaks in the legislative branch, there's just too many leaks. I want -- and if there's a leak out of the administration, I want to know who it is. And if a person has violated law, the person will be taken care of."
 
 
Slim
11:27 / 13.06.06
News reports are claiming that Rove won't be charged in the Plame case...
 
  

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