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My first draft of this post was a lot more bad-tempered.
We need to know the past, however horrific that past, in order to be able to even attempt to prevent its repetition in the future.
Thing is, need to know requires at least a desire to acquire, if not the possession of, knowledge. But, talking about the horrors of the widespread eugenic program across America, the historical evidence provided is:
That aside, the selective-breeding-in-slavery thing... I remember something in a book that I studied in school for English (probably at about 13/14). Unfortunately i can't remember the author or title, but it was a book by a female African-American author, (probably) aimed at a teenage audience and set in the segregation-era Southern US. There was a peripheral character who was very tall, strong and dark-skinned, and was referred to by another African-American character as being "from breeded stock" - there was then an explanation of selective breeding.
Which is fine, as far as it goes, but it doesn't really go very far.
Something like that being put in a novel obviously isn't evidence that deliberate selective breeding on slave plantations actually happened, but it's at least evidence that, among African-American communities in the Southern US, it's a familiar and plausible concept.
Fair enough, again. I think we can absolutely roll with the idea that some slave owners tried to get strong and/or docile slaves to breed. There's advice to that effect going back to Cato's treatise on household management. However, we can also say with confidence that these uncoordinated attempts at person-husbandry were, over ten or twelve generations, along with escaped slaves, unexpected pregnancies, genetic diversity, the siring of illegitimate children on slaves by sexual attack, utterly ineffectual. Which is why the original starter of this thread and others who joined him were advancing lazy racist bullshit - that a) you can breed Africans like whippets and that b) it transpires that, actually, all the young African-Americans who are "dominating" American sport are doing so not as a fraction of the many, many African-Americans who have no other options but to try, and in most cases fail, to make a living as athletes, having been excluded for financial or other reasons from education and other employment possibilities, but because African Americans have been bred to be good at sport by often semi-literate eighteenth and nineteenth-century plantation owners who happened also to be kick-ass geneticists able to effect changes in the physionomies of huge numbers of diverse peoples over a couple of centuries that would make Charles Cocking Xavier doff his hat, and as such all of these causes were handily located in the past - so, why do African Americans end up playing a lot of competitive sports? Poverty? State failure to provide decent education? Inability to get white-collar jobs, and an expectation of failure in such attempts? No - slavery. For that matter, breakdown of the nuclear family? Decades of discrimination, segregation, poverty, violence, inequality, throughout the twentieth century? No - slavery. Not to downplay the impact of slavery at all, but the way this makes the hideous inequality suffered by African Americans long after the emancipation proclamation an effect rather than a cause strikes me as unwise.
So, in terms of:
I guess i have a tendency, however much i am disgusted or horrified by the thought of something, to nonetheless want to know as much as possible about it
Groovy, but what would be good there would be historical record - folk history or written history describing the kind of attempts to "breed in" characteristics in other human beings - not on the assumption that this explains any great scientific truths about the physiological differences of Black Americans, but as a thing that is totally fucked up that people did to other people. However, this thread is a sump of wrong-headed inanity so far removed from any sort of sensible reality that even Barbelith's Mr Reasonable (tm) feels that it is appropriate to compare black people to fucking fish, the truths therein to uncover. |
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