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doozy floop
10:17 / 25.05.06
Ours are pretty darn quick - mild illumination immediately, followed by complete light in about 3 seconds.

The electricity bill has gone up since they were installed, though. Coincidence.......?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:24 / 25.05.06
Ariadne, are yours spiral bulbs? I'm interested to know if they are particularly different.

Electricity prices are just rising I think.
 
 
Dody
11:52 / 25.05.06
I use ecoballs in my wash and they work very well. I've been using them for probably just over a year now, so really they work out as fantastically good value. You can always add essential oils or even fabric conditioner if you want them to smell pine fresh or whatever. I actually add teatree oil, because a nurse told me to once (to banish MRSA) and I daren't not. And if you want bluey whites just add a little borax to your wash once a month.

I don't go in for other cleaning products much. Using the proper tools, rather than an endless array of mystic potions, is much more effective. I have a scrubbing brush, a pan brush, a mop and bucket, a dustpan and brush, a broom, three dishcloths (lancashire stockinettes), one in the wash, one in the sink and one in the cupboard and then it's just hot soapy water and disinfectant all the way for me. And cola, of course. Mind you, I probably clean vastly more than any of you folk, unless there are some fellow carers about, so I'm probably thinking on a different scale. I don't do the vinegar and bicarb thing. I don't really understand the point of it.

One thing I do use, indefensibly, are Tuffies. I know it's wrong; I use them for cleaning down medical equipment. I haven't figured out a safe and practical green alternative. Yet!

I try to keep my waste down to a minimum and for me that's mostly by trying to keep it out of the house in the first place. A while ago, overwhelmed with rubbish and tired of lugging the crap about, I just stopped buying things with crazy packaging. I don't have a car (although admittedly I would have one in an instant if I could afford it), and I get my shopping delivered. We get a weekly fruit and veg box from northern harvest and a monthly meat box from fishleigh. That certainly cuts down on waste and I admit when I order from tesco or similar I'm always surprised now by the profligate packaging. Although you can give all your bags back to the driver, and your wine bottles in their cardboard caddy too, so that's something.

We do recycle but we don't often use the kerbit schemes. In posh areas they have slim wheelie bins but here they have open black boxes which you're to put on the pavement. But, you know, this is Moss Side. I mean, I love it round our way but... After the first few bottlings on our road I got a bit wary of placing a handy supply of weapons directly outside my front door. We keep them in the back and just impose a box upon a car-bound visitor every now and again.

And we do the compost thing! I have a worm farm and I love it. I'm a bit obsessed with it actually. I have a PH meter and everything (these are my sad, fannish tendencies manifesting, I suppose). I made all the compost for the raised bed I built in the back (out of a knackered IKEA shelving unit) and now I grow my own herbs in it, which I help along with fairly traded coffee grounds and oh GOD! It's like some kind of appalling eco version of The Aristocrats where I just keep getting more and more absurdly right on until I declare that I actually weave my own electricity from natural sodding yoghurt.

But yeah, hm. Stuff I do that works: ecover, daylight bulbs, a mooncup (so BRILLIANT), ecoballs, icecubes instead of running the tap, paper-packing the freezer, worm farm and water butt, just saying no to bags in shops (I say, 'no, thank you; I have hands' or similar), a half brick in the toilet, warm front, ragging and quilting, reclaiming yarn, generally fixing things and errrrr...

This concludes my essay on recycling, by Dody, aged seven and three quarters.
 
 
Saveloy
12:07 / 25.05.06
ATTENTION, LONDON GREENIES

BBC London is looking for a green family
 
 
Ariadne
12:17 / 25.05.06
Um - I don't know, Anna. I'll find out! Loomis, do you know?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:23 / 25.05.06
Dody, can I ask you something about the mooncup? I thought about getting one, but was a bit concerned about using it at work - the ony loos we have are shared with our readers, and I didn't think it would be possible to rinse it without risking offending someone. What do you think? (I suppose I could take a bottle of water into the cubicle, come to think of it).

Also, wow, you reclaim yarn etc.! I mean to use scraps for patchwork (which is to say, I have some paper-pieced scraps waiting to be sewn together...) and often read craft blogs about reclaiming yarn, felting old jumpers for bags and cushions, revamping t-shirts and so on, but never quite seem to get round to it. Do you have any tips?
 
 
Ariadne
12:31 / 25.05.06
I have to say, I HATED the Mooncup - it was massively uncomfortable, felt like I was being sucked into a vaccuum, and gave me nasty cramps.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:40 / 25.05.06
Hunting for bin liners yesterday and I brought some which are apparently biodegradeable. They're supposed to rot down into CO2, water, and "organic residue". Does anyone know how much more eco-friendly these are? Was I tricked by misleading green imagery and a tendency to impulse buy?
 
 
Loomis
12:49 / 25.05.06
Pretty sure ours is a straight one.
 
 
Loomis
12:52 / 25.05.06
Our light blub that is.

While I'm here, am I the only one who didn't understand some of Dody's references? At the risk of outing myself as hopelessly uninformed, Dody, can you explain what you mean by:

- icecubes instead of running the tap
- paper-packing the freezer
- a half brick in the toilet
- warm front
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:54 / 25.05.06
Umm, the mooncup link's not accessible due to my work filters. What is it? What is it's bathroom connection?

Like the bank robber in Dirty Harry: I gots to know!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:58 / 25.05.06
It's a little rubber cup one wears instead of a tampon.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:04 / 25.05.06
Half-brick in the toilet tank is to save water on the flush, innit? Though I hear it is better to use a plastic weight, as brick can disintegrate and block your pipes. However, it might have more to do with the fact that bricks are free, whereas you have to buy the plastic weights.

Warm front is a government insulation programme judging by the link...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:08 / 25.05.06
Also, ice cubes instead of running the tap = instead of running the cold tap until the water is actually cold?
 
 
Ariadne
13:13 / 25.05.06
Paper packing the freezer - to fill up empty space and save energy? There's never any room in our freezer, mind you - it's teeny.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:19 / 25.05.06
Ah. Cheers Mordent. Not something I'll be using to save the environment then.

Paper packing the freezer sounds like an interesting idea though.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:26 / 25.05.06
In fact, have just had this through from Anti-Apathy:

Hippo campaign
 
 
Dody
13:37 / 25.05.06
Heh. Okay. Praps I should have been less listy and even more talky.

A mooncup, also known as the Diva Cup, is a silicone cup for use instead of a tampon. I've heard that some women find them uncomfortable but most that I know who have tried them find them to be comfortable, clean, and discreet. I, like the fabled white jeans woman, sometimes even forget I am on the blob. Unless you have a spectacularly heavy flow you will only need to empty them once in the morning and once at night, so you will probably rarely have the same sort of public-toilet shenanigans you mention. Although a bottle of water kept in your bag might be useful, to rinse it, if you do have aforementioned heavy flow. It's surgical grade silicone, so nothing really sticks to it anyway. I boil mine for ten minutes before and after my period to keep it clean. Some people use sterilising tablets instead. Either is fine.

They're cheap, comfortable, chemical-free, and they're guaranteed for ten years. A friend bought me mine (for my birthday, no less, mooncup users do get a bit evangelical at times) and I looked at her a bit weirdly and sort of shoved it in a drawer for six months. Because ew. But then one day I ran out of tampons and was a bit stuck and I tried it and it was completely strange and unsettling for the first hour and then I got my head round it and and I've been using it ever since.

-half brick in the toilet

Actually, I always forget to say this, don't put an actual brick in your toilet! It can degrade and then is bad and oh no. Don't do that. But putting something the approximate size and shape of a half brick - a sealed bag of pebbles for example - into your cistern can reduce the amount of water used in every flush. Simple and effective.

- paper-packing

It's better to pack your freezer than to run it half empty. If you're low on food then just some loosely scrunched newspaper pushed into the cavities is fine. Newspaper is a brilliant insulator.

- warm front

Warm front is a government scheme in the UK aimed at alleviating fuel poverty. If you're a low-income or vulnerable household, you can get help with insulation, energy saving lightbulbs, heating repairs and more. This is regardless of the type of house you live in (meaning renters can get their boilers fixed even if their landlord is a slumlord). It's worth looking into if you're disabled or on the dole or owt.

- ice cubes

Using ice cubes instead of running the tap saves hundreds of litres a year. It's really shocking when you start to add up how much clean, safe water we just throw down the drain.

Ummm, I think I covered everything? Oh! Except for the wool things. KitKat, have you ever tried scrumbling or crazy quilting? I don't have the patience or, you know, short term memory, for patterns and stuff but scrumbling is freeform knitting that you can pick and put down whenever. And crazy quilting is good because you can't get it wrong; if it looks like crap just sew another button on it. Hurray!
 
 
Olulabelle
20:46 / 29.08.06
Does anyone else belong to Freecycle? Saveloy linked to it on the first page of this thread and I've been a member for a while, but I just wondered if anyone else here belonged.
 
 
Peek
21:47 / 29.08.06
I do. Bizarrely, this is the third place I've seen it mentioned today! (All entirely unrelated).
 
 
Olulabelle
22:41 / 29.08.06
It's always the way, isn't it? Lots of references to a thing all of a sudden.

The discussion of Mooncups reminds me, on the subject of disposable sanitary products, Surfers Against Sewage advise:

2. Bag it and bin it - the only thing that should be going down your toilet is human waste and toilet roll - sanitary products, condoms, nappies, cotton buds and cotton wool pads should all be bagged and binned, not flushed. If you use a sanitary product that doesn't display the Bag It and Bin It logo on it's packaging, write to the company and ask them to include it.

In some countries in Europe like France and Greece this already happens because their sewage systems aren't very good but I wonder how many women flush their sanitary products in the UK?
 
 
■
22:48 / 29.08.06
Can't believe I've never stumbled in here before.

The washing powder isn't great as it tends to clump.
This is true, the Ecover powder clogs things up horribly. However, the tablets don't. At all. And because you only need one per wash, no matter how scummy your stuff is, they are tops. I also used to have the smelly clothes thing (no dryer, no access to fresh air) but discovered that the smell is mainly due to long drying times. The Ecover fabric softener does a great job of covering up the smell and (though it may be my imagination) helps clothes dry much quicker.

In Embra, if you make the effort, pretty much everything but organic and toxic waste is easily recyclable if you can be bothered. I generally only throw away one bin bag a week, the rest goes in a set of Tuff Crates stacked behind the kitchen door.
 
 
Olulabelle
23:02 / 29.08.06
Ecover liquid is brilliant too. I buy it in huge containers and decant it down into a smaller bottle. It's loads cheaper that way.
 
 
Red Concrete
07:42 / 30.08.06
Since I moved to the UK, I've sourced about half my furniture on Freecycle, I sill check it regularly to see if anyone's giving away a decent computer... The only drawback is that I don't drive, so for the bigger stuff I rely on other people.

Back home (Ireland) I was with Airtricity. Here I rent, so I'm not so sure... The landlords have been stalling on fixing stuff, so I'm not optimistic.

About the brick in the toilet - to avoid the hassle of it crumbling, just put the brick itself in a plastic bag.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:44 / 30.08.06
I read through this whole thread and was surprised that nobody had mentioned vermicomposting, then I found Dody's post. Rock on, Dody! I've had worms eating my garbage for four years now, and it's been INCREDIBLE -- a small bin in the furnace room, no smell to speak of, very little maintenance, and a literally boundless supply of all-natural, very potent, fertilizer.

I use the "worm tea" (runoff... collected in a tray under the bin) to add to the plant water every week, along with the aquarium-cleaning change water (fish poop is good for plants), and then every four months or so I skim off a solid layer of fertilizer and either use it on the plants or give it to friends as gifts.

Vermicomposting. Seriously. It's hassle-free, doesn't smell bad, takes no time at all once you've got a decent colony established, and works a treat. Triple recommended. I can even lend my copy of Worms Eat My Garbage to somebody if they're interested.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:32 / 31.08.06
I read through this whole thread and was surprised that nobody had mentioned vermicomposting, then I found Dody's post. Rock on, Dody! I've had worms eating my garbage for four years now, and it's been INCREDIBLE -- a small bin in the furnace room, no smell to speak of, very little maintenance, and a literally boundless supply of all-natural, very potent, fertilizer.

Getting rid of 'the garbage' is the key point.

It's tough being in business.

Things happen.

It's all good if you can help the environment, but let's face it, if it's a straight choice between you doing 15 to 20 to life, or covering up the evidence in a concrete overcoat on a dark underpass on the M25, then it's no choice at all surely?

You wouldn't do bird for the f***ing oystercatchers, would you?

(Word to the wise, though; it's not so good to mention this kind of thing on the internet.)

But I'm out of the game now.

I'm in 'autobiography-land.'

That last big scam.
 
 
Axolotl
17:51 / 31.08.06
I know this sounds like a really weak question, but when re-using plastic bags has anyone been given grief for using other companies' plastic bags to take your shopping home?
I am too much of a big conflict-avoiding wimp to do it anyway while ignoring the shop assistants' withering glares, and matching the shopping trip with the correct bag (which I try to do now) stretches my planning skills too far.
 
 
Olulabelle
18:41 / 31.08.06
That's absolutely outrageous. Who does that? Who? Tell me and I'll write to them, and to the bloody papers!

I can't believe you're actually allowing them to make you feel bad. Stand your ground!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:27 / 31.08.06
Next time someone does that look them in the eye and say "trying to get some free advertising out of me?" in the most withering tone you can muster..

..then demand money for the marketing campaign that you're providing by carrying their bags through the streets. They will never, ever say anything ever again.
 
 
Axolotl
17:28 / 01.09.06
Thank you for the righteous anger, I shall do my best to use it to stand up to the accusing stares of the shop assistants and shall place my shopping in any damn bag I please.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:06 / 01.09.06
I get tremendous amounts of chaff for not using a bag at all -- my knapsack and bike saddlebags are fine, and I often don't even put -- horrors! -- vegetables in those dumb translucent bags.

"J'ai pas besoin d'un sac, merci." (I don't need a bag, thanks)
"Pas du sac?" (no bag?)
"Non, c'est correct." (no, I'm good as is)
"Même pas pour les légumes?" (even for the vegetables?)
"Non, c'est correct." (no, it's cool)
"Mais il vais devinir sale, monsieur." (they'll get dirty)
"Les légumes que je vais laver, éplucher, et bouillir? Je pense que je peux vivre avec ça." (the vegetables I'm going to wash, peel and boil? I can live with that.)
"Je peux te donner un sac pour les fruits." (I can give you a bag for those fruits)
"Non, c'est correct." (no, that's okay).

REPEAT FOREVER. Listen, gentle merchant: I-AM-SAVING-YOU-MONEY. What in god's name makes ME the pariah for doing this?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
03:28 / 03.09.06
Smug eco-friendliness undone by one flight to Africa or Asia! We must follow Spalding Gray's inadvertent advice next time and swim to Cambodia! That's the plan for New Year in Venice fucked then.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
09:42 / 04.09.06
Southwark Borough Council are now entering all recyclers into a lottery for £1000. All you have to do is stick your reusable waste in a blue bin outside your front door. You don't even have to stand in a queue at the newsagents with a slip of paper whilst some arrogant git stocking up on beer yells "fools tax" at you with a silly leer.

Furthermore there will be a pilot area of 8000 houses in the borough that will have counselling for non-recyclers whose recidivism wil be rewarded with a bill for £75.

I'm not a fan of state compulsion. I do make exceptions.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
10:18 / 04.09.06
I know this sounds like a really weak question, but when re-using plastic bags has anyone been given grief for using other companies' plastic bags to take your shopping home?
I am too much of a big conflict-avoiding wimp to do it anyway while ignoring the shop assistants' withering glares, and matching the shopping trip with the correct bag (which I try to do now) stretches my planning skills too far.


I have on one occasion, I politely requested a full and immediate refund. They came around to my way of thinking fairly soon after that. You really shouldn't be dragged into conflict by a cashier of all people. Not that I have a low opinion of cashiers, but the job description of "serving customers" does come with some obvious boundaries.

These days I trawl into every shop toting a backpack or a pannier. Any cashier ignoring my polite request for no bag please will be forced to endure the rigmarole of me unpacking the bag into mine and then having the bag returned with a smiling "here, you can use this one again". The longer the queue, the slower I am.
Incidentally, for any cashier not giving me a bag, I will quietly get away from the till and pack in a convenient localtion.

I love my panniers, they really are quite sexy. Mine comes in the red.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:51 / 04.09.06
Yesterday I stood in front of a cashier with my canvas bag and they still tried to put it in plastic. Ooh, was I pissed off.
 
  

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