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Distance relationships?

 
 
gravitybitch
13:51 / 05.07.05
Looks like I've got one, kinda, and I don't want to let it go...

Neither of us is in a position to move and calendar roulette is just awful, so visits are nowhere near frequent enough. One of us has professed to being bad at this sort of thing, and the other has never tried to cultivate a non-local relationship.

Tell me your stories - successes, pitfalls, what worked for you?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:16 / 05.07.05
There have been a few threads on this theme that you might find interesting, here and here.

G and I survived one year of separation but, even although we were nearly bankrupted by it, one of us made the journey between Edinburgh and London every weekend of that year. Some precious weekends were elongated by a day or two.

At the start of the year, I had accepted intellectually that I was going to have to move to London too but did not want to. After half a year, I was keen to move to London and started looking for a job there. By the end of the year, I was desperate to be there with him and, had I not found a job by then, would have moved anyway and made do. But that was us and you two might be very different people and have a whole different experience.

There’s more to say on the emotional side but I’m at work. May get back to this later, or perhaps Ganesh will.
 
 
Papess
14:29 / 05.07.05
Really?
 
 
Ganesh
14:38 / 05.07.05
Yes, I don't think a relationship is capable of sustaining the stresses of distance, not indefinitely. Xoc and myself had been living together six, seven years before our year of living apart. It was bloody hard, emotionally, socially, financially, and despite having a good strong union, I'm not sure we could've taken another year of weekend commuting with no end in sight.

Mind you, I suppose it depends what one wants out of a relationship - or even, in these days of cyberwhatnot, how one defines a relationship. If physical proximity isn't important to you, then I guess it'd be more sustainable.
 
 
Loomis
14:59 / 05.07.05
I reckon a plan is essential. If you can say something like, "if things are still going well in then one of us will move," then you can survive, even though it's hard. But if you're treating it as a normal relationship where you're just pootling along without any aim, then I think you'll crumble eventually. Depending on what you want from a relationship, as Ganesh said.

Ariadne and I did the long distance thing for about 8-10 months and it was horrible, but it worked because about 6 months or so into it I got fed up and said to myself that I had to either break it off or move, so I did.

Sooner or later you have to make that decision, and giving yourself a deadline for it makes it a little easier to make it through the intervening time.
 
 
bitchiekittie
15:39 / 05.07.05
a plan is definitely extremely important, and you also have to lay out expectations. and then be willing to accept that you might have to alter them when reality exposes the difficulties of meeting those expectations.

think of: what are your basic, absolute needs in a healthy relationship? can they be met despite this particular distance and the limitations involved? are their needs and expecations from you and this relationship reasonable? are you willing and able to meet them? what are you going to have to sacrifice (physical intimacy for x period of time, money for phone calls and visits, etc), and are you willing and able to do that?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:09 / 05.07.05
OK, home again, jiggety jig. Ready to ramble on.

We were of course just us, with our individual foibles, so you maybe need to hear something more positive from elsewhere to balance up those comments.

I'd been living on my own for nearly a decade when I met Ganesh and, even although I really missed him, I was able to slot back into some of the old single life between weekends with him. I had a good social circle in Edinburgh and a friend from London had moved up, almost simultaneously with G moving South, so I wasn't living alone in the house. But, still, it did feel like every week was just there to be got through till Friday. I smoked too much hash and didn't go out much. Not healthy!

I had had relationships previously where we both were in different cities and none of those lasted long at all. Possibly none of them was likely to go far anyway and the distance might even had helped there. Time together became a bit of an event but it was also easy to find excuses to postpone meeting when things were at all difficult and it was very hard to resolve disputes and disagreements. There wasn't much of just sitting about watching crap tv and eating takeaway pizza, shooting the breeze, and I need a fair bit of that.

Might have worked much better had the cyberworld been more a presence then. That might have allowed more meaningful communication between visits. I hate speaking on the phone. By the time I was apart from Ganesh, the mobile phone had come along to give us instant, constant communication, mostly by text, and that was vital. Phone bills were ridiculous though.

I had an uncle in the RAF whose marriage was a really good one and survives to this day, fifty years on. He was away in foreign parts for years at a time and sometimes had his family with him, sometimes not. Although he and my aunt retained their closeness throughout, despite geographical problems, both eventually suffered with major mood disorders, and only when he left the RAF and they settled down together in one place did they achieve their present very happy life together. I think their experience guided me a lot.

Go for it. See where it goes. Maybe you will find this arrangement meets your needs as it is. If not, weigh up your options down the line. It wasn't easy making a move after thirty years building the life I thought I wanted in one place but I'm incredibly glad that I did.
 
 
Ganesh
16:24 / 05.07.05
The weekends together began to take on a characteristic tempo which reminded me of weekends with my father after he and my mother split up. There was a sense that every minute counted, that we should be doing stuff together because our time was limited, that merely pottering around the flat was a waste. Fridays, even with the after-work dash to the station for 6pm (London to Edinburgh is four and a half hours by train, on a good day), were euphoric, Saturdays precious and Sundays despondent. Sunday evenings, with that deadening journey back, were depressing as hell. Throughout, it was impossible to escape the awareness of time passing.

We didn't argue much; I think there was a tacit agreement between us that, with only 48 hours together in the week, fighting was to be avoided. That led to an odd artificial brightness, which was weirdly stressful in itself. As the London end of the long-distance deal, I was always turning down invitations to socialise with work colleague (and Barbeloids) because weekends were eaten up with travelling.

It was soul-sapping, a strained limbo. Really not a good way to live for any length of time.
 
 
Benny the Ball
18:12 / 05.07.05
Ah yes, long distance relationships. They hurt like hell when you fall for the person, and you get a call and listen to the person (tears or not) telling you that they miss you, and you miss them, and you know that you'll see them again but you don't have an exact time idea because of work/life/money etc, but my god, I am still in love, totally and utterly, and still going strong, and have a date for the wedding, and will soon be wrapped tightly around the woman I love, holding on for dear life. Have so far managed a year and two months of being apart (with visits of course, but apart in the sense that at some time we both know someone will be going 6000 miles home) and as much as I hate it, I wouldn't give up on it for anything. Roll on October for the next "definite" visit, roll on 20th May 2006 for the wedding...
 
 
sine
20:01 / 05.07.05
I'm doing a long distance (Canada to Japan) thing right now. Granted, the situation may be different because I know the time span is capped - she's coming back in the spring - but that doesn't make it any less frustrating by times. I think we've gotten by primarily due to the medium of email. We've each cranked out about 30 000 words a month of text that ranges between journal entry, love letter and erotica. It not only makes checking my email a good sight more interesting, it helps evoke the presence of the absent other in a more reliable way than phone coversations, more living than photos, etc. Seems to be working well thus far anyway.
 
 
grant
20:20 / 05.07.05
Can't help but notice these all seem to have an end-point for the "long-distance" half of the long-distance relationship.
 
 
gravitybitch
00:44 / 06.07.05
Well, then.

I'm doomed.


Kinda knew that, though - it sounds like an "end-point" or goal is really helpful, and I *won't* have one....

[sigh]
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
03:48 / 06.07.05
Sorry to add my pessimistic log to the long-distance fire but yes, if there isn't an end-point of being together (or at least *nearer*) then I'm not sure how well it can last.

There was a sense that every minute counted, that we should be doing stuff together because our time was limited, that merely pottering around the flat was a waste
This for me in the LDRs I've had has been the killer. You never get that natural down-time that a relationship needs, when you can just arse around in each other's company or slump on the sofa with some tea and play with each other's toes. Every minute has to be Valuable! Special! And to be Treasured! Which is, of course, horribly stressful.
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
03:55 / 06.07.05
Another thing though - I'm guessing that this relationship is monogamous (or primary)? My own personal perspective: a successful (happy?) LDR where you know that you can't be together but that's ok has been one where it's *not* a primary relationship (not sure how well I've phrased that).
 
 
gravitybitch
04:57 / 06.07.05
Ahhh....

A couple of things just became clear. For starters, I'm not the primary, but a side relationship (been there, done it before, currently am a secondary in two other relationships that have been on-going for a couple of years and are kinda slow right now), and I *don't* have a primary of my own. And there's a bunch of "new relationship energy" that never really dissipates because of the distance/needing to make every minute count, so we've never really had the down-time to just hang out and be comfortable with each other... just too damn busy chewing on each other!

The lack of an end-point suddenly became unimportant; it's obvious (to me, anyway) that what I was fishing for was a way of accumulating that down-time and ease while we're not together, figuring out if the people we are when we're not on and completely besotted with each other are actually compatible.

Did I already say I was doomed?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:43 / 06.07.05
Sorry, quick question - do you mean you are in a polyamorous (non-monogamous) relationship with somebody who lives a long way away, or do you mean that somebody is cheating on their partner and the person with whom they are cheating is you? It's quite a relevant distinction...
 
 
Ariadne
06:29 / 06.07.05
Oh god, I'm having flashbacks to spending hours on thetrainline.com or trying to use air miles for flights to Manchester.
It's not all bad, in that those weekends shine very brightly in my memory, but Xoc's descriptions of despondent Sundays really hit the mark. I bloody hate Euston train station, and those awkward table/ seat bits out the front.
Izabelle, I suppose you have to decide what you want. If you really want a more normal, and primary, relationship, and there's no prospect of this turning into one, then I would walk away. The stress of distance on top of everything else just seems a recipe for pain.
 
 
Yay Paul
11:54 / 06.07.05
I've also been in a couple of these long distance relationships, the longest of which was when I met a girl from the States.
We meet, talked for a while on the phone and email, then decided to meet again and see how it went. Well we ended up with one of us flying to the other every two months, granted the constant renewal of the relationship felt really good and kept those usual few opening months of a relationship going for almost two years.

The flight costs alone almost condemned me to the fiery pit of bankruptness, that along with the fact that every now again one of us couldn't bare to leave the other when the day came and we would follow the other back, not only incurring more monetary costs but putting our jobs, friends and home life at risk too.
Still we loved each other, we were even each others artistic muse, so when she decided to move here all was happiness and preparation and when she arrived all started to go wrong. It didn't start to go wrong at first mind you, a good few months passed, I’m not going to go into all the details, but needless to say being near each other just didn't feel the same, or wasn't what we were expecting, as when we were apart.

It ended slowly and gradually as neither one wanted to hurt the other, we are currently still great friends and still do art together, which we are both really happy about.

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All that being said I’ve had some good (same country) longies and they worked out fine, but I was a lot younger and cared a lot less about people then...

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Good luck with whatever you do though! ^^
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:37 / 06.07.05
Oh dear. I have managed about 80 miles (Oxford-London) in both directions a few times - I have been the one in Oxford, and the one in London, and whichever city I've been based in, I've always seemed to do most of the travelling. (That's where the resentment starts ... watch out for it.) And this is, really, eminently doable, because as some posters upthread have said, not being able to see one another except on weekends/special nights etc. means you are completely consumed with the desire to do so and aren't in danger of familiarity breeding contempt too early in the relationship (obviously this will happen eventually, but it's fun staving it off).

I am also likely to have to do the same thing London-Norwich come September (and guess which town seems more attractive to travel to?) So I would say that an MDR (medium-distance relationship) with frequent weekend visits both ways is tenable, while adding that when my ex moved into my flat in London (while still working in Oxford) was very definitely when it all started to go tits up.

However, my sister has been in love for the past couple of years with a cowboy whom she met while on holiday at a ranch in Arizona. He is very simpatico and a stand-up guy, but during that time they have formed a deep platonic friendship that she feels justifies the weeks of time and thousands of pounds she has spent on flying out and staying there two or three times a year ever since. It's expensive and time-consuming but she thinks it's worth it. So I suppose my simplistic advice is ... as long as you think it's worth it, keep doing it. When it's not worth the trouble to cross town, let alone continents, let it go.
 
 
gravitybitch
14:51 / 06.07.05
Haus - yeah, this is a poly relationhip - all above-board, the primary and I have met and like each other, etc etc etc...

Some of the "I'm doomed" is just mood-swing (we spent a huge chunk of this past weekend together, and now the sparkle is gone), but some is the acknowledgment that this relationship can't be what I need, can't stand in for a primary.

As far as resentment/contempt goes... Yeah, there are enough differences that contempt could come easily (in both directions), but I'm smart enough to keep my mouth shut. I would lose any bitching contest so fast, end up curled in a sobbing heaving ball of misery... Resentment is tougher and so insidious, but I can usually see it coming and have the tools to deal with it.


For now, the gloss is still on it all (and the chemistry is wonderful! I woke up wrapped around thatpillow and could easily veer off into TMI); I'm going to enjoy what there is and see what I can do about spending time with the actual person rather than the jumble of skin and scent and lust that springs to mind at the slightest excuse.
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
15:25 / 06.07.05
Righty, that makes things a bit clearer. A question then (and sorry if this sounds a bit brutal): Given that this person already *has* a primary partner, how much more of them would you actually see if you lived closer to each other? What further role would you play in each others lives?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:42 / 06.07.05
Hmmm. When I've had properly long-distance relationships - the other side of the country or a different country entirely - I've generally been a student, so there hasn't really been the money to pursue it and the time available to devote to them tended to come in huge long stretches. Taken out of that hothouse environment, one of them died pretty quickly, but then on the other hand that was, I think, not primarily the fault of the distance.

Otherwise, most of my relationships have been MDRs (or at best opposite-side-of-London-Rs), with journeys between taking an hour or two. Those I really liked, although where yoou are gooing is also a bit of a factor: I have had the good fortune to have partners who lived in beautiful, picturesque places wiith lots to do and plenty of strolling opportunities. If you're going to Kirby Muxloe you may have fewer options. That distance gives you a fiesta feel without wearing you down too much...
 
 
Fist Fun
19:38 / 06.07.05
I really liked my LDR although that was a one sided liking. I liked the travelling, I liked having lots of time to myself, I loved the lovely weekends together, I liked having two flats, I liked living in two places. I was happy to do the physical running to make it work because the emotional bit was so easy.

But that was all kind of one sided. I was never down on Sundays and I couldn't really understand why she was. I was upset when she was nasty to me and the reason was because it was Sunday. Or travelling for six hours, getting in at midnight and receiving a tepid welcome. i couldn't understand why "just be strong until we finish out stuff" was such a bad thing to say.

When it finished I found I loved the free time. Suddenly Friday evenings weren't spent on a train or plane. I could actually socialise in the town where I lived. I had loads more free time.

Like Grant says unless there is a realistic end point I doubt it wil work. You move or they move.
 
 
Psych Safeling
20:49 / 06.07.05
Hmm, well, here's my tuppence worth, though I don't suppose I'll add much. Myself and Mr Safeling (monog) did a year NYLON (me NY, he LON) seven months into our relationship (heralded, unfortunately, two months in - just at the point where you're OK phoning just to say 'what yer up to?').

In retrospect, the primary thing that made it OK was the endpoint. I even ended up in the heady closing days thinking 'yeah, I could probably do another month, this here Manhattan is fun as hell'.

The difficult things were myriad. I moved over there knowing no-one apart from one chap whose idea of a prompt return phonecall was two weeks after the initial, mildly indirect 'PLEASE SEE ME' message. "So, what have you been up to?"; "Erm, nothing, er, waiting for you to call back? sitting in my unfurnished apartment bawling my little eyes out?". Hard to go out and make friends and be BUBBLY! and BRIGHT! and the kind of person people want to befriend (in a competitive market, mind) when all the while your heart is screaming at you to talc your hat, put it on, grease up and swim home. (Or jump in a cab and say 'Airport, please!' and worry about small things like tickets and passports when you get there.)

The time we did spend together (a weekend, usually) was stressful for all of the above reasons. Having crossed off each number daily (usually from around 33) on my obsessive-compulsive chart, there was little or no room for error, and every sharp word was Meaningful and Spoke of Imminent Doom. (Only to me, but after a while that gets wearing for the other.) My propensity for foreseeing every possibility in an attempt never to get a nasty surprise started to confuse possible with actual in an incredibly destructive way (thanks for that, cheating ex). The utter, utter desolation of his departures was raw and incredible. Its passion breathes such life into your love that it blooms and flourishes precisely as its jumboed up away from you.

Spending the night/evening in a plane hardly does wonders for anyone. The first time I flew home, I was taking the overnight on a Friday. I was to arrive on Saturday morning and leave on Sunday afternoon. The plane was delayed 6 hours and I was inconsolable. Someone actually asked me if I were on my way to my Mum's funeral (dark imagination). Every hour does count, so much, and often too much to make it fun at all. A longer timeframe didn't help much - we had two weeks in France and that just had to be Filled With Important Moments as it took on the import of being our Longest Time Together in a Year.

(Aside: perhaps I am doing more to highlight my oddities here than generalise about LDRs. Still, oddities are an important point - each relationship is totally idiosyncratic, and long distance doesn't make them any more generalisable.)

Added to this, though I did get friends in the end, I had a cunting bunch of cunts as colleagues and I HATED my job. (I spent my last week kneeling on the floor putting together the life-sized jigsaw Mr S had emailed me of himself. Fuck me, it was good to get out of there.)

Still, we made it, and I am in fact sitting in his office right now as I attempt to wrestle him away from work. It teaches you a lot about how to prioritise and how important someone is to you ("COURSE I'll come and sit in your office with you all night").

The last thing I would say (has anyone got this far?) is that you do it because you can't not. Never thought about splitting up, no matter how hard it got. Still haven't.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:54 / 06.07.05
you do it because you can't not

Summed it all up in those few words!
 
 
gravitybitch
05:20 / 07.07.05
Those few words do seem to capture the flavor of where I am right now...
 
 
Ender
15:32 / 07.07.05
We are crazy to have these "doomed to fail" relationships.
But we keep on having them like fools, myself included! I am dancing around the idea of dating a girl 1500 miles away, but I dont know that I could do anything differently, the desire is there, and I would feel like a fool to not listen to my heart.
 
 
gravitybitch
00:19 / 08.07.05
And another piece of the puzzle falls into place... Thank you for the words doomed to fail.

Not all relationships need to be life-long partnerships; certainly very few are and some definitely should not be. So, what might constitute a sucessful relationship in this context? What, here, would make me most happy? (Besides the obvious.)

Don't know, exactly... Talk amongst yourselves for a bit while I think about it.
 
 
modern maenad
11:06 / 08.07.05
I love long distance!!! My parnter and I had five great years with me in Edinburgh, him in Leeds and I can't recommend it highly enough. We'd see each other alternate weekends, so we each got to have a weekend away once a month. Early on we decided that whoever was hosting would do all the cooking and general domesticity which gave the visiting party a proper break from the normal grind/routine. It helped that we both lived in great cities, with lots to do (though we did also do a fair bit of lounging around watching TV, playing with each others toes etc). For sure it wasn't all roses, and there can be a lot of pressure, but I suppose we were lucky that our temperaments coped all right (though things were a bit more demanding for the first couple of years but its hard to say whether that's distance or would have happened anyway). I did feel it was a bit hard on friends at times, 'cos there's a tendency to drop everything the weekends when you're seeing your SO, but they put up with it! One strange thing is other people's reactions, the tendency being to not treat it as a 'proper' relationship, when in some ways it felt like it took more commitment to keep things going over such a distance (though compared to transatlantic romance we were practically neighbours). Usual phone/email were essential relationship glue plus cards/letters/trinkets. Best bits were getting a whole week or two at christmas/holiday, the occassional doorstep suprise (or being there when they crawl in from work with wine and takeaway menus) and just generally that friday night sitting on train excitement Ganesh talked about. And it all has a vomitous happy ending, as we moved in together three years ago and haven't looked back, as they (?) say.
 
 
CyberChimp
08:52 / 09.07.05
How true, my love - what great days they were...
:P
 
 
gravitybitch
17:12 / 10.07.05
Have given some thought as to what sorts of things would constitute "success" for this relationship...

A little one is having the ease with each other to just call, any time, for no reason other than to hear that voice... Neither of us is quite there yet. (yeah, it's a relatively new romance.)

Not feeling guilty about just hanging out... There's still this huge and self-imposed pressure for whoever's hosting to entertain the visitor and it's downright silly; during this last visit I got an apology/check-in for the little bit of relaxation and just hanging out we did on the *previous* visit.

A major success would be to figure out how to feel connected over the distance...


Hmmm. Those are all successes in the mechanics of maintaining a relationship, rather than goals or desired outcomes. One might think that I'm much too "process-oriented" or that I didn't know what I wanted. Or both.
 
 
sleazenation
18:11 / 10.07.05
Maybe it's worth asking yourself what you want out of your sexual/romantic relationships in general...
 
  
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