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admiral sausage
21:43 / 03.07.05
Not much discussion of any Fantagraphics stuff on here, so I’ll start the ball rolling, in a rambling protracted sort of way. ( I’m not trying to sell their books, I just really like them)
As a kid I was a big comics fan, X men, New Mutants, The Micronauts and Power pack were the ones I remember the best. In secondary school I ditched comics for a good few years, but was then tempted back by the age of apocalypse X Men thing, so for the next four years or so I bought nearly every X book out there, but eventually realized that although I loved comics, the ones I was reading were kind of rubbish, extended plots that went nowhere, crappy art, no continuity, and the dawning realization that these were for kids (which at that point I no longer was).
So I cut all super hero comics out, I dallied with Vertigo, but was eventually put off by the whole gothness of it all (I discovered The Invisibles a lot later) and was drawn to a lot of Fantagraphics publications.


Hate : The total antithesis of Marvel, Hate was a comic that centred on one of the authors characters from a previous comic (The Bradleys) Buddy Bradley. What was Hate about I hear you cry? It was about, crap jobs, weird girlfriends, weird friends , and music (much of it was set in Seattle during the Grunge era). Hate ended about 5 years ago (improbably involving a magic whistle), but the Hate annuals keep me going. The author, Pete Bagge has gone a bit shit now, which is annoying.

http://www.fantagraphics.com/artist/bagge/bagge.html

Eightball: Once lent my collection of Eight ball comics to a friend who upon returning them said that she found them creepy, and wondered why everyone in it was sweating. I agreed, but wondered why that was a bad thing. The author,Dan Clowes has had 2 stories form eightball turned into movies, Ghostworld and Art School Confidential, which is kind of funny if you have read his strip about the Hollywood interest he was getting from “Like A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron” . Issues of Eightball have been coming out every now and again, about one a year. They are all very good and are well worth reading, but take a look at the Trade paperbacks “Twentieth Century Eightball” and “Like A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron” for early Eightball weirdness, or even better read the actual back issues.

http://www.fantagraphics.com/artist/clowes/clowes.html

Love and Rockets: Written by Los Bros Hernandez, Jamie Hernandez’ stories center on Maggie and Hopey , a pair of latino punk girls. Originally there was a strong sci-fi element in the books (Maggie was a space rocket mechanic), but he soon ditched the rockets for tales of every day life in the barrio. My favorite characters are Izzy , (Maggies older cousin, a goth with a troubled background who often has creepy stuff happen around her, see Flies on the ceiling and the ending to issue 10) and Ray Dominguez, an ex boyfriend of Maggies and now (I suspect) a double for Jamie Hernandez himself. All of Jamies character have aged along with us which adds a lot to it, Maggie has gone from a skinny cute punk chick to an over weight building supervisor and divorcee. To sum it up, its about punk rock, relationships and wrestling.

Gilberts “heart break soup” stories from Vol 1 of L+R were about a cast of characters living in a fictitious central American village called Palomar, where women pretty much rule the roost. I got a bit lost with all of the stuff about Luba towards the end of Heartbreak soup, but it still comes highly recommended.

Love and Rockets is now well into its second volume, and is published quarterly and is one of my favorite comics. I’ve always been more into Jamie’s stuff, which is getting better and better, Gilberts stories have pretty much turned into pornography these days, which I find a bit off putting for some reason.


http://www.fantagraphics.com/artist/losbros/losbros.html


There are other titles I’m keen on, Acme novelty library, Evil Eye, Frank and the Complete Crumb books, all of which deserve a paragraph or two of me wanking on about how good they are, but I'm running out of words.

As for me and super hero comics, Allan Moore’s ABC comics got me back into all of that. Currently enjoying Seven Soldiers, Planetary and Astonishing X men.
So do any of you like (or hate) any of the above comics ? Or do you just want to tell me off for going off super hero’s for a while ?
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
01:40 / 04.07.05
As for me and super hero comics, Allan Moore’s ABC comics got me back into all of that. Currently enjoying Seven Soldiers, Planetary and Astonishing X men.
So do any of you like (or hate) any of the above comics ? Or do you just want to tell me off for going off super hero’s for a while ?


I haven't read any of the above titles, though I have heard of them. Due to your synopses, you've re-piqued my interest in them. I always wanted to read more indy titles, but due to the fact that my comic shop doesn't have the titles on the shelf for perusal means that I can't try before I buy. Thanks for the links, now I can check out these titles.

As for enjoying and promoting titles that are not of the superhero fare, good on you. Diversity is always good, and we should all try to read more non superhero comics. But that said, I gotta rave about Ultra by the Luna brothers from Image comics. It's fucking ace, that's what it is. Ultra is like a comic book version of Sex in the City. 'Course if you don't like SITC, then you may not like Ultra. I'm tired and having a hard time focusing. Writing a coherent sentence, let alone an interesting synopsis of Ultra is too difficult for my poor tired brain right now. So I'm going to be lazy and post a link to a review of the Ultra tpb here.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
06:15 / 04.07.05
Just bought and enjoyed Kid FireChief, featuring the adventures of an orphaned child that inherits the responsibility from his parents of being the chief fire-fighter in his town. Cute tales inspired by Golden Age Super-hero comics, with Dinosaurs and talking bears. Very funny. Bit of an ambiguous/quick ending though, might have to re-read that bit.

On Amazon.co.uk Here
fantagraphics page
 
 
admiral sausage
15:11 / 04.07.05
Dan, havent read Kid Firechief, but will take a look. I remember Steve Weissman's Yikes! strips from Dark Horse Presents, which starred Li'l Bloody, the Pullapart Boy.

http://www.indyworld.com/ribs/index.html

Actually Dark Horse Presents used to be a really good monthly anthology, I first read "Sin City" and Dave Coopers creepy "Dan And Larry" in it. Havent seen it on the shelves in a few years. Shame. "Oni Double Feature" was good too, it had a short story written and drawn by Bill Sienkiewicz, which was pretty damn good (if a little short)

Pooky Not a big Sex In The City fan, but I'll have a peek at Ultra anyway. If I had to pick any of the titles I was droning on about yesterday it would be Love and Rockets. There are even super hero's in it ! (kind of...)
 
 
eddie thirteen
02:15 / 10.07.05
I hate to say this because it sounds really elitist and pretentious, but about the only comics I've been taken with in the last year or so have come out of Fantagraphics (this is leaving aside my preoccupation with '70s Marvel, We3 and Seaguy, ancient-ass Warren horror mags, Hellboy...um...you know, actually, what I mean to say is, most of current Marvel and DC holds no interest for me at all, but a whole lot of other comics do, and Fantagraphics publishes many of them). Jaime Hernandez's Locas: The Maggie and Hopey Stories is about the wisest fifty bucks any reader could spend, thinks me, and it also doubles as an impressive weapon should the need to throw down arise. The last two issues of Eightball (which are discussed at length in other threads here which I am too lazy to look up at present) are probably Clowes's best work. But much, MUCH more than this -- and I can't believe I've never seen it discussed on Barbelith -- everyone, everywhere, must read Charles Burns's Black Hole, which I am increasingly convinced is the greatest comic book Of All Time. It has real ultimate power. My synopsizing means fail me...google for it, or just go to the Fantagraphics site and check it out for pure comics goodness.
 
 
sleazenation
08:12 / 10.07.05
No doubt about it, Fantagraphics produce some great comics, but they are not the all exclusive fount of all that is good in comics - Drawn and Quarterly, Top Shelf, Random house (in the guise of their Pantheon/Jonathan Cape imprints), Slave Labor Graphics and a fair few smaller operators are all working to bring to publish some pretty fantastic comics - from historical drama's such as Jason Lute's Berlin (which everyone should read) to more ideosyncratic affairs such as Rich Koslowski's Three Fingers...

Just as there is more to comics than MArvel and DC, there is also far more to comics than Fantagraphics...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:05 / 11.07.05
Fantagraphics does some great stuff, but their distribution isn't for shite. According to my local (whom I trust), they have not kept all of the Love and Rockets books in print at once in over a decade, their print runs on the strip reprits are horrible and they are sold out more often than not, and most of the "Complete Crumb" stuff is sold out a lot of the time.

I'm excited about the fact that they are moving in the direction of high end comic strip reprints, and their "Complete Peanuts" and Krazy Kat reprints are about the best books available on the market, bar none. I'm not a big "Dennis The Menace" fan, but I'm willing to give it a look if they feel it's worth the effort, I'll give it a look, which is the best compliment you can give a publishing compnay.
 
 
admiral sausage
14:56 / 13.07.05
Just to add to Eddies comments on Black Hole, yup its bloody great, but i'm hanging on for a trade paper back, hopefully in the same format as Big Baby and El Borbora.

Sleazenation, the reason I rate Fantagraphics over lots of the other indie publishers is that they produce lots of ongoing projects as opposed to occasional books, although I could be wrong..... Haven't read anything from Slavelabour graphics for years, since Johnny the homicidal maniac and Squee, everything ive seen by them since them seems to be a rip of of Johnenn Vasques (did i spell that right ?) who's off doing animation now, although, once again I could be wrong.
 
 
sleazenation
16:07 / 13.07.05
I read The first issue of Black Hole when it first came out, way back when, and it didn't really grab me. I Didn't actually feel any reality to the viscereal body-horror or teenage relationships that the book was trying to evoke - and this was when I was a teenager myself. Maybe it is time I returned and re-evaluated it.

On Fantagraphics and ongoing titles - i'm not actually sure what you think the appeal of an ongoing title is as opposed to occasional books. Both Eightball and Optic Nerve are on irregular schedules and are, for all intents and purposes occasional books themselves. And both these titles are collected as occasional graphic novels... Can you unpack your thinking a little more?

As far as Slave Labour go, yes they have in the past been identified as being a heavy goth company, Slightly unfairly in my opinion. Yes, they do a great range of comics that have appealed to Goths. You will find their comics in various branches of Hot Topic, for example. And well done to them for escaping the ghetto of the comics shop and even the book shop and getting into a shop that young people actually go to. However, Slave Labour produce a whole load of non-goth stuff - from the work of Guardian cartoonist, Jon Edwards and the hanna-barbara-on-crack stylings of Woodrow Pheonix to Bollywood pastiche comics such as Bombaby: Screen Goddess.
 
 
admiral sausage
10:02 / 01.08.05
Spookieness.... haven't read any Frank comics for ages, so I dig them out and spend a few hours re-reading them, later that day a friend of mine phones me up asking who wrote Frank ? This uninteresting and pointless anecdote is concrete proof that Frank is the best comic ever. Read it now, or be normal for ever.

Proof:

http://www.jimwoodring.com/funindex.html

Frank animations etc.

More proof:

http://www.fantagraphics.com/artist/woodring/woodring.html

Downloadable short story.


Love and Rockets 14 is now out, which, somehow is also the best comic ever.


sleazenation, why do I like ongoing titles over occasional one off's? well I prefer a full length novel to a short story (usually), but thats just my personal preference. Eight ball has had an irregular release schedule, and recently has contained one off stories for a while now, but "Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron", "Ghost world" and "David boring" were all released over a long period. As for "Optic Nerve" I was never that keen on it, and as far as I know each issue was a self contained story ?

I apologise for for branding Slave Labout Graphics as a heavy goth company (for fat goths ?) I will seek out your recommended titles in my local Androids Dungeon.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
13:18 / 01.08.05
Since I saw this thread moved up, I'd just like to point out that Fantagraphics just published the new Michael Kupperman comic, TALES DESIGNED TO THRIZZLE, and it's extremely funny. (Kupperman's previous book, SNAKE & BACON'S CARTOON CABARET, brought me the closest to wetting myself with laughter that I have ever come.) Any fans of his around here?
 
 
Mistoffelees
14:12 / 01.08.05
Hate : The total antithesis of Marvel, Hate was a comic that centred on one of the authors characters from a previous comic (The Bradleys) Buddy Bradley. What was Hate about I hear you cry? It was about, crap jobs, weird girlfriends, weird friends , and music (much of it was set in Seattle during the Grunge era). Hate ended about 5 years ago (improbably involving a magic whistle), but the Hate annuals keep me going. The author, Pete Bagge has gone a bit shit now, which is annoying.

Yes, I stopped reading at Hate No.22, it was getting so boring. The black and white issues are so funny, especially when Leonard and Buddy are managers of a rock band. Hilarious! He did a spiderman comic recently, and it bored my socks off.

And for a little bragging:
In 1995 Bagge was in Berlin with Julie Doucet. He was very nice and very slim and small. His wife was huge. I talked for a bit with JD, but it was almost useless, because as a french-canadian she almost spoke no english. Bagge opened an exhibition of his work that evening. And I bought some original artwork, I´m the proud owner of a HATE page. The one, where Buddy and his girlfriend have a romantic dinner and Leonard comes in naked and shows them his genital warts.
 
 
admiral sausage
19:47 / 01.08.05
Hate started going down hill when it went colour and started having adverts, even if they were all for Matador records. I seem to remember P Bagge getting a lot of stick in the letters pages when this happened. From what i read in a Comics Journal interview P bagge was trying to turn Hate into a monthly anthology, but i couldnt stand Dofus or any of the other strips.

The colour issues were a lot less funny, but my standout story in them was Who Will Cut My Hair? starring Pops Bradley, the scene with pops and the hip hop barber crack me up. "he's insane, he's dancing with invisible women !"

Bagge's output at the moment seems to be mainly reporting for some suck.com and the occasional Hate annual (the Lovey strip in the first annual is the best thing he's done in years)
I read a few issues of that kids comic he did with Gilbert Hernandez about the spice girls in space ? (His spice girls fetish was out of control) and I bought a few issues of Sweat shop, which wasn't all that funny, and I think he's staopped doing it now ?

Mistoffelees, dont you mean a little BAGGEing ho ho ho..ha
.... sorry.

I want the original artwork of when lisa turns up dressed as snoopy, probably from the same issue as the one with stinky's warts.

STINKY DIED FOR YOUR SINS !

On a bit of a tangent, read the two issues of Al Colombia's The Biological Show again yesterday. Errrrr it left me feeling dirty. There's somthing wrong with that guy. And me, for buying it and reading it more than once. Comics for serial killers.
 
 
admiral sausage
19:26 / 22.11.05
(Trying in vain to resurrect thread)

The new Gilbert Hernandez comic came out last week " Petra, Luba and Fritz" I kind of bought it automatically, admittedly I'm more of a Jamie fan, but I really did enjoy Palomar before it concentrated solely on Luba.
I was wondering if anyone else thought that Gilberts stuff is, well... just turning into porn? I'm not adverse to a bit of smut now and again, but there's something about his increasingly top heavy female characters that would put most marvel super heroines to shame. I dunno why I just don’t like it.
Anyway , back to the comic in question, this issue concentrates on Luba and her two half sisters, and seems to be building up to some event which drives a wedge between them, (probably involving the slightly creepy scott) through a series of flash backs.

So anyone read this or any of the recent Love and Rockets ?
 
 
sleazenation
06:33 / 23.11.05
I've not read any of the recent L&R material - have the recent series been collected?
 
 
admiral sausage
16:14 / 23.11.05
Jamies new stuff has been collected in which is highly recommended, it explains Maggies husband ( who cropped up in Penny Century, I think)and has a lot of stuff with Ray in it, as well as the return of Doyle.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:40 / 28.08.08
So on a whim--mostly because I noticed a post on BoingBoing about a new Love and Rockets book coming out soon, I decided I should actually take a shot at reading some of it. I ordered a copy of Maggie the Mechanic and I'm excited to read it.

Are people thinking about getting the new book? Any insights into what's come before, what to watch for, favourite stories or characters?
 
  
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