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Daily practice: how do *you* stay in shape?

 
  

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Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:31 / 30.09.05
Could you tell me what makes this different from doing crunches?

It's far more gentle than crunches. You're not really forcing your abs to do anything--you let the breath do the work, sort of. After the first few breaths the movement seems to happen automatically, although overthinking* the process will cause you to tense the muscles and maybe strain them a bit.



*not that I ever do that.
 
 
daynah
16:13 / 30.09.05
HAHAHA I don't. I do nothing to stay in shape. My magical practice is non existant.

No, actually, I do it more on a weekly goal sorta thing. One day every week I help a class at the buddhist center and every Sunday I teach the "Sunday School" at the buddhist center and I also do the uposatha day, whatever day that happens to land on.

But, as a recommendation I'm thinking of starting... The class I'm currently helping (I get assigned these classes, I don't choose) is being taught by a man who, at first, could not for the life of him get into the habit of meditation. Sorta like me. So, every morning, he would start his coffee brewing and meditate while his coffee was brewing. It has a nice gentle way of stopping and is very short... perfect for beginners.

Unfortunately... I don't drink coffee. But it's a nice idea. Maybe tea? I don't know. I'm not sure how tea works. Anyway, though that might help someone's daily meditation practice get started.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:18 / 30.09.05
Well, you're supposed to let your tea brew for five minutes or so. Not much time, but better than nothing, suppose...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:21 / 30.09.05
Is there something else you do every day, like the journey to class? I use journeys into work or classes as meditation time. This works just as well for people who walk to work/school as for people who travel sitting on a bus or train; I find walking meditation very satisfactory.
 
 
Quantum
16:42 / 30.09.05
I love walking meditation, I often mark my route with chalk graffiti sigil-type-things to personalise it as a safe space. I walk the same route to work and back often thrice a day both ways, so it's easy to automate, and as I walk quickly up the long hill it keeps the body busy so my mind can wander.
Sitting meditation makes me fidget, I have to be physically active to meditate, or drifting off to sleep (which isn't realy meditation).
 
 
Unconditional Love
19:10 / 30.01.06
I started at a gym today, it was great, but i must remember to eat more, as i nearly passed out. Its the first hard physical exercise i have done in over 6 months, aside from chi gung, and i certainly felt it. The endorphines were good. The machine you peddle with your arms, fucking torture device, but i will best it.

I have never really used a gym before, but recommend it.

I went to my first group therapy session for survivors this friday gone, very scary, overwhelming but liberating, a room full of people from all different backgrounds, just telling it how its been for them, heart wrenching, i didnt say alot, but have started a detailed journal of my self abuse and how i was abused so as to better put my feelings into words, something i find really difficult. I guess everything has to start somewhere.

Decided to clear away alot of magickal work and concentrate mainly on meditation, ive tried emptiness and impermanence, i think its now time to focus on compassion and kindness.
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:17 / 27.09.07
Wow, me over a year ago, stranger.

Started a wing chun class this evening with a 10th generation teacher from yip man lineage, absolutely fantastic class, small group, my knuckles are gonna hurt i can see. Just learnt the basic stance (goat) in a way i had never ever been taught it, same basic positions, but the attention to detail was amazing all sorts of little bits to remember and practice. And a very good feeling of heat building in me which is a good sign in my books, looks like it will help with my injurys from choi lay fut as well strenghtening my knees.

The guy teaching is also an nlp practitioner and a registered hypnotherapist so he has alot to teach also puts forward clairvoyant and spirtual healer, so thats something that i will have to investigate alittle further, oh and a medical practitioner of chi gung. Loads to learn and a really good price on lessons.

I am so so lucky.

The knuckles thing is due to traditional training ie building up deposits between the knuckles through hitting a bag filled with gravel and soya beans, i bloodied one this evening, with a little spray of blood on the bag, i wont go into the exact process because it sounds well quite gory, but the feeling of trepidation hitting something that creates pain but also a pleasure in doing so is something else. A good feeling.

A very traditional teacher, that has been practicing for a quite a while.

Anybody ever done this kind of hand and knuckle training?
 
 
petunia
22:46 / 27.09.07
Anybody ever done this kind of hand and knuckle training?

While my experience of this kind of practice is very limited, i'm inclined to worry for anybody who considers such efforts to build(...) up deposits between the knuckles to be a beneficial thing. It sounds very damaging and likely to cause problems with arthritis, or at least general difficulty in terms of movement/sensitivity.

Can i ask what the benefit of such a practice is? As you talk about sorting out you knee problems, as well as the healing techniques of your master, i assume you are doing this for some bodily benefit (i.e. health), but all i've heard from advocates of such practices is that it makes one's punches dead hard.

What am i missing?
 
 
Sublime Pathos
23:24 / 27.09.07
Daily Practice:
LBRP when I wake up and go to bed.
Solar Adorations 4x
Lunar Adoration 1x
Asana and Pranayama for 15-30min
Journaling for Everything

I try to get daily reading in although I'm taking a lot of courses this semester so not as much as I would like. Also I do chakra and mantra work most days of the week. Journaling of dreams when I can remember them but it's been lax lately. That's the current daily stuff.
 
 
Unconditional Love
00:01 / 28.09.07
You know i have no idea, i have just been looking around at iron palm and iron fist training on the net, not the best source, but it fits with what i learnt this evening, dit dar jou is used and the process takes place over a long period of time. I may well have the knuckle part wrong.

I know this is one of the practices applied to breaking things with the hands which is one display of it, the other is as you said making the fists dead hard, which as you pointed out if this really does involve damaging the hands is going to cause all sorts of problems and a loss of sensitivity in the hands.

I need more research at the moment, the limited contact i have had with what i am doing feels good, for an example of something similar see here > Wing Chun Iron Fist Training.

Dead hard punches sounds good along with all the over benfits of practice to be honest, being a victim of abuse and having comfort of knowing that you can defend yourself is a really important thing for me, i feel intimidated by most normal situations, anything that builds my confidence including being able to hit dead hard, really does help my sense of security, which mostly verges on the suspiscious and at worst paranoid. Anything that helps with that and which i am enjoying is a good thing for me, especially anything that pushes me past my usual limits of what i think i am capable of. I think that as this is a small part of the training as a whole it will still give me a better sense of general personal security.

Its part of a practice of toughening myself up, i am already a really sensitive person, to the point where i am very easily overwhelmed by sensation, anything at all that gives me a sense that i have some comfort and security is helpful.

Including making my punches dead hard.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:06 / 28.09.07
I want to try and unpack this a bit more if only for myself but maybe to provide some insight to others.

The lack of boundarys i feel makes me feel child like as if i need a parent type figure to look after me or a community to protect me. In the past martial arts have given me a greater sense of independence and to some extent have removed that need in a healthy way.

Part of me yesterday had the idea that i needed to go off and justify such a martial spirituality or a need for protection by arming myself, i felt that i somehow had to justify that, what that came out as was i need deadly weapons no matter what you think. That isnt quite true.

What i find i need most of all is a sense of security, as i stated before i feel as if i have no boundarys, thats nice if you have been given a choice in the matter and can come back from the experience, but not so good if that experience was brought on by childhood trauma. Still as useful as being boundless, but is more of a constant feeling of not having much self identity or boundarys because of the wounds left by violation.

All sorts of trust issues come forward as well, especially for me, having had my self taken from me, thats how it feels, Trust is a huge issue, and put simply very simply, i can trust people more if i know i can stop them crossing the boundarys i draw up for myself now and if they continue to invade me can use a display of force to warn them off. For example i would not hesitate to take the life of somebody that tried to rape me, and i have no moral qualms with it what so ever.

I know that flies in the face of many spiritual traditions and beliefs, including the law and it may be something that only another male survivor of rape could understand, and i have met those that have killed their abuser(s) and served the prison sentence for it after.

To understand the need i feel to be able to defend myself which may involve killing or disabling for life, you would have to understand the wound i have recieved. I am not justifying any actions that survivors of rape may take, nor am i saying those actions are right, what i am saying is that i have an understanding of how that would function in me.

Simply put - Something is trying to take me away from me and my liberty to be whom i am - reason, implore, persuade, understand,ignore, walk away, run away, disable it and if it persists kill it.

The survivors i have met have been a mixed bunch of people from all sorts of walks of life Dentists, Teachers, Carers Bouncers, Criminals, Antique dealers, Drop outs, Psychiatrists and a multi millionaire. I could not say with a 100% feeling that they would understand what i feel, but i think i could say that they also have that emotional range within them and perhaps could identify with feeling a lack of boundarys and as if they carry an open wound continually.

Having no boundarys also attracts alsorts of predatory types of people as well i have found, emotional abusers, mental bullys, people who trip out on the power of control especially. If they can figure out just how vulnerable you may be at times they will try to use this to steal your experience, your interests, use you politically and all sorts of other abusive behaviours.

I am not saying 'psychic vampire' and i am not being paranoid, these are experiences i put down to not having fully developed the power and stability of an adult personality. That in a sense gives me some insight into the way that the culture i am in in general relates to children and some idea of how children are conditioned by a variety of factors and how that works in my own life.

So while very many people may have an identity that is based upon a progressive sense of becoming older and gaining experience, i am constantly locked in a battle of growth and loss, feeling as if i lose my experiences and sometimes seeing them appear in others around me. As if i cannot progress or move on and become anything. And feeling as if others of a more predatory nature want to keep it that way.

Martial arts actually take alot of these feelings away, not all of them, but alot of them, the more i can learn about defending myself the securer i become, the more anger that gets expressed in a safe environment the less anger i carry with me into the relationships around me.

Theres more but i cannot quite get to it yet.
 
 
Scarlet Reed
17:54 / 29.09.07
As a Voudou gnostic, I start and end the day with a prayer or perhaps contemplation. Almost anything can be turned into an offering to 'the Spirits' if they signal some sort of approval - much depends on intent, so, given in sincerity, most offerings are acceptable.

The biggest time-consumer is making notes about dreams in case I'm being taught something. I do this whenever I wake from a dream. Sometimes things I note earlier on, waking for a few moments, make no sense in the morning. Otherwise on arising, if I have time, I'll meditate - or just simply reflect - on what I can remember. I rarely try to interpret a dream - any meaning is usually made at least vaguely apparent.

But like everyone, I suppose, I'm strapped for time. Special ritual work takes precedence - date, time, etc, though things are usually flexible in this respect.

A fair amount of work can be done astrally; useful at times like travelling on public transpeort - one soon learns to ward off the many distractions unless faced with one of these compulsive small-talkers, always a delight, I don't think!
 
 
Unconditional Love
18:28 / 05.10.07
Hmm, its come to my attention that in some sense i am just perpetuating the cycle of anger and not transforming it through a martial art. I found my new teacher being overly expressive of anger to one of his students in my opinion and his punitive attitude to really get my back up.

Having considered it more, i think martial arts (at least the so called hard styles) are going to be unsuitable for me, rather than a soft gentle disciplining act, they are scaring an already very frightened part of me, that of male to male violence.

I think i will move on to yoga, which seems just as disciplined but with a focus on self discipline through movement and action and could well be more easily infused into a less martial spiritual practice.

I may find one of the so called soft styles in the near future, but for the moment it seems more relevant to focus on my mental health and physical well being.

Its a shame but i think, it may well of served me well when i was suffering from depression so badly centred around other issues. But this time i think i need a form of exercise that reinforces a sense of self love and compassion, and something that deals with the PTSD of the abuse, as i need to slow down a little and have an equal distribution of physical energy and not feel like i am running everywhere even when i am walking.

Thou i can guarantee a yoga instructor will work me through some of my perceived physical boundaries, I am guessing it will be with a less martial focus.
 
 
Unconditional Love
18:29 / 05.10.07
Has anybody explored any traditional spiritual dance forms they could comment on?
 
 
Ticker
18:33 / 05.10.07
I really loved belly dance and I would recommend it for people of all genders/body types. For myself it moved energy around and connected me to my body while encouraging overall fitness and a sense of play.

However then I tried Aikido and got a bit hooked...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:11 / 13.11.07
ATM I am trying to get in the habit of a set daily prayer which I say in the mornings. I pray throughout the day pretty much every time I think of it anyhow, but having a set form of words to kick the day off with is very grounding. I've been using a couple of stanzas of Sigdrifa's prayer, taken from the Lay of Sigdrifa. Several translations are available online; a friend of mine sent me a copy of her own exegesis of the prayer, which contains the version I've been going with.
 
  

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