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The 2005 G8 Meeting

 
 
Nobody's girl
11:37 / 01.07.05
So who's making the trek to Edinburgh and Gleneagles then? Edinburgh has been gearing up for the protests with the usual silliness in the local paper about traffic disruption and damage to property and I hear the protests in Gleneagles will be "allowed" within 500 meters of the hotel, isn't that generous?

I was amused to read on the Beeb that we'll be getting the full compliment of weirdo campaigners for the protests including the The Clown Army, Anarchist Golfers and the infamous WOMBLES.

I'm a tad peeved 'cos I've always had a soft spot for the weirdo protesters and the one time they come to my city I'm 8 months pregnant and incapable of anything more than a gentle waddle to the corner shop.
 
 
Ariadne
20:59 / 01.07.05
To listen to the people at my work talk, we're in for Armageddon.
So has anyone seen anything interesting so far?
So far I've seen - Spanish guys dumpster-diving, with great panache, on Leith Walk. They 'looked' like they might be protestors, but that makes me sound like my workmates!
My sister joined in the G8 cycle ride today, riding down to Peebles to meet them and then coming back in a cavalcade of (she thinks) 250 bikes and assorted wheeled vehicles.
And 20 cyclists just rode past my flat, with music playing and signs saying 'G8 cycle ride'. I gave them a wave!
We'll go on the march tomorrow and see what happens. If there *is* any trouble, it looks like Monday might be the day, just because that's when the dreaded 'anarchists' are doing their thang.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:58 / 02.07.05
Oh, this makes me so sad, I'm stuck in London with no way to get up there, it's just that bit too expensive to pull the money together but I just know that the news coverage will make me cry in shame that I haven't managed it!

I'm glad that the anarchists are going to be there in force because someone's got to have the guts to break through the zones that they're going to try and enforce. Judging by the way people were encased in Sheffield the protestors are really going to have to get creative.
 
 
Nobody's girl
09:19 / 02.07.05
Just popped out and all over town people in white are streaming along the streets to the Meadows and the air is rather menacingly full of the noise of helicopters.

Up at the local army barracks I saw white ribbons tied around the trees! I suppose soldiers are frequently on the sharp end of the effects of poverty.

Horrified to see on the BBC footage of the police filming arrivals in Waverly station on Waverly steps, if this is their idea of "sensitivity" then I fear for the peacefulness of this march...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:24 / 02.07.05
Wish I could be there... play safe, kids!

Although I'm not particularly into random destruction (especially when it's not Mr Tony's stuff you're breaking but that of the innocent citizens of Edinburgh) I do like the fact that the threat level is so high that these summits have to be conducted in fucking fortress conditions. Nothing says "unrest" like having to show twenty different passes to go for a piss.
 
 
Ariadne
12:27 / 04.07.05
Darn. I'm stuck in an office on George Street and can't see a thing, though all I can hear is sirens and helicopters.
The BBC says there are about 200 people hemmed in at Canning Street, and a small group has got into Standard Life. Other than that, people at work saw a group of protestors in masks coming along George Street, towards Charlotte Square. And I'm told riot police are gathering on Waverley Bridge (hello Brunner!)
Anyone else know anything?
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
12:42 / 04.07.05
Haven't posted for ages!

Been watching the coverage on TV, spoke to my cousin in Crieff about Wednesday and, apparently, his wee bro is somewhere in Edinburgh and is currently being pushed about by "unfriendly polis".

I'm planning on staying in Crieff Tuesday night. Does anyone know what roads are being closed? We've figured we are going to hike itbut don't know where from.
 
 
pornotaxi
13:22 / 04.07.05
i spent three hours down there but it was all getting a bit farcical. the cops havent got a game plan, they keep changing their minds. one minute i was told i was hemmed in for the rest of the day, the next minute they vanished again.

there's a running commentary here
 
 
Morpheus
18:58 / 04.07.05
It sounds like a car crash..what do these people want to accomplish? The aid to Africa is only sending that continent to it's ruin.

"This sudden wealth is a cause for concern even among the aid workers themselves. “If we carry on like this,” says Lammart Zwaagstra, who comes from the Netherlands and works for the EU’s department for humanitarian aid, “then people will never stand on their own two feet.”

I couldn't have said it better.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:54 / 05.07.05
Could you explain that with reference to the finances of the African nations, Muammar Ghadaffi's recent comments, the conditions on debt relief imposed, the level of oversight on expenditure of cash freed by debt relief, the potential dangers of debt relief for future capital investment, or any other relevant statistics, Morph? Or is this being passionate again?
 
 
Char Aina
11:34 / 05.07.05
i'd be interested to hear what you did, morpheus.
you always seem so full of good ideas, i wonder how you translated your passion and fervour into action.

with your consistent critique of the efforts of others i feel sure you will have put some careful thought into planning what must have been some exceptionally effective operations.

please, share.
we are your sheeple.
 
 
Nobody's girl
12:58 / 05.07.05
Aww, toksik, don't be mean.

Something people are apparently missing about yesterday's protests/scuffle in Edinburgh is they had bugger all to do with Africa and were more of an "anti-capitalist" thing.

I think the police were very antagonistic and totally over-reacted to the "Carnival for Full Enjoyment". Especially considering there were so few protesters who were hugely outnumbered by police. Even my American mother in law commented "So did the police just start running at people with batons, or what?" after watching footage of the protests on CNN.

There's a great sound file linked from the Graunaid blog of the clash between the protester's drumming and police sirens with the comment "someone ought to do an ambient remix of this", I have to agree.
 
 
Char Aina
13:10 / 05.07.05
was i being mean?
or was i being strict?
i spent a whole weekend hearing people proving how cool they are by shitting on the actions of others and i reckon it's really boring.
it becomes less boring and more challenging if the shitter can give the shittee some alternatives, and i was asking him to do just that.

if he cant...
absence of evidence aint evidence of absence, as they say.
consistent absence of evidence with no good excuse, however... that smells like bluster.

morpheus?
 
 
Nobody's girl
13:30 / 05.07.05
i spent a whole weekend hearing people proving how cool they are by shitting on the actions of others and i reckon it's really boring.

I agree with you absolutely, but do you really need to mirror the bad attitude?
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
13:31 / 05.07.05
As far as I'm concerned the G8 summit isn't just solely a summit about Africa and protest shouldn't just focus on a couple of issues. Again in my own view, the problems of poverty, climate change, war, excessive consumption of resources etc are all symptoms of the bigger problem of almost unrestrained global, corporate capitalism, and therefor protesting against capitalism is more than valid and in a way can be seen as atleast getting at the true root of the problem.
 
 
Char Aina
13:41 / 05.07.05
we can continue off-thread if you wish, but no.
i dont feel the need to mirror it.
i feel the need to challenge it.
i feel the need to point out to morpheus that it seems like he isnt doing shit either, and that he is as complicit in this pretence of democracy as much as anyone else.
he is, of course, welcome to disagree.
if he does disagree and is willing to let us know what he did, then i would feel a little more confident in his character.
if he doesnt, then i guess he is just another one of those people i spoke to, the ones who spent the whole day deriving self esteem by mocking others on a march they only attended to gain self esteem by being better than the herd.

like i said.

boring.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:49 / 05.07.05
Toksik you have just put, rather eloquently, into words what I have been thinking all week.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:14 / 05.07.05
I hate to stop a dogpile on Morpheus, but when did he mention the march? He's talking about the (in his opinion) bad idea that is aid for Africa. No mention of whether he even meant the protesters, the politicians or, allowing for a bit of Morpheus threadcreep, Live8. You've managed to single out something he didn't say for criticism, toks.
 
 
Char Aina
14:41 / 05.07.05
sure.
i shoulda said he is just like those folks who...
s'what i meant to say.
his scorn need not be poured on anyone anywhere near any marches or protests for my point to be valid.

g8 alternatives, please. not g8 whining.
 
 
Char Aina
14:50 / 05.07.05
i should perhaps add that i was in edinburgh for the whole weekend, and am describing experiences that were to be found throughout.
it was mostly at the g8 alternatives summit i met any for long enough to engage them in conversation, but there were some of these folks at the rememberance of the war dead as well.

that, in fact, made me the most angry.
i had thought it was impossible to to take both issue with and the piss out of folks remembering a three year old child killed by a sniper bullet or piece of shrapnel.
i was wrong.


gar!
threadrot.
i didnt mean it, honest.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:38 / 05.07.05
You seem pretty on topic to me.

I'm a little annoyed that 100 people have managed to get themselves arrested before the summit properly kicks off.


Mr Wilson said he expected the police's intelligence gathering process to lead to more arrests on top of the 100 so far following the violent protests in Edinburgh.

He also said 500 officers were being drafted in from England and Wales to help police the events in Auchterarder.

Police have begun stopping and searching vehicles entering the Perthshire.

A group of officers pulled over a van driven by protestors on the High Street searching it and questioning the occupants.


In addition Edinburgh city council leader Donald Andersen doesn't appear to understand what these protests are about: "You don't support democracy by lifting a park bench and throwing it at a young man or woman in a police uniform."
 
 
JOY NO WRY
20:47 / 05.07.05
Just saw on the news about the American gunships flying around Gleneagles. Didn't somebody here predict this a while back?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:13 / 06.07.05
was it not mainly the bucky brigade fae craigmillar or some other scheme in ra capital that pure hammered the polis, toxers?


can ony radge tell us about the ned contingent ? cos that sounds pure fascinatin', so it does.
 
 
Char Aina
14:32 / 06.07.05
yeah.
there were about 250-300 neds from what i hear, and they were joining in with the black block mentals.
i do wonder what they were thinking, though....
was it a case of "errapolis! gi'im some!" or did they plan it the night before?
that said, most of the punks i know drink a bit of the bucky, me included.

the top picture is one of the clashes of locals and coppers, if that helps

i also read over on indymedia that therwe were some neds chanting "fuck off back to england" to the imported riot cops.
not sure if that's hilarious or tragic.
or both.
 
 
Char Aina
14:35 / 06.07.05
...and a wee video of the clash.
seems to have been pretty spontaneous.
 
 
pornotaxi
17:02 / 06.07.05
after the main group got penned in on princes street today, i was running with the ned group this afternoon, broke away from the mound pen up into the old town - market street, cockburn street, high street, right into newington. eventually getting penned in on waterloo place two hours later. the edinburgh mob is back, and the city centre was stopped for most of the day. get down there tomorrow if you can..
 
 
pornotaxi
17:54 / 06.07.05
indymedia report on the ned breakaway today:

Edinburgh march breaks free, roams (and runs) through town
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:52 / 06.07.05


I love this photo.
 
 
Char Aina
09:52 / 07.07.05
the accusation that cops were taking their numbers off seems to be getting more support.


QTclip here


anyone heard any more about this?
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
11:13 / 07.07.05
We saw a number of cops with no numbers.

While trying to get to Gleneagles on the Dundee/Perth buses we were the first to be stopped at the Broxden roundabout. Where we were told the same lies as were told to the Edinburgh buses (that there were gangs of Anarchists roaming Auchterarder having violent confrontations with police, that G8alternatives had called off the march etc), seeing as we were being detained without any real reason, it was discussed if we were going to walk, block the road or stay put. Upon hearing this police reinforcements were called, consisting of dog handlers from a number of Scottish constabularies plus officers from the Met. It was the met officers who were not wearing numbers. All the Tayside constabulary officers were wearing there number, We couldn't see the dog handlers but the dogs remained in their vans. Riot police were standing by a few hundred yards up the A9.

At the actual march, most police officers were wearing their numbers but there were a significant number who weren't. As far as I could tell it was a mix of officers who weren't wearing any or who had them covered.

The behaviour of the police through out the day was mixed. By and large, the individual officers were in good moods with a banter being exchanged on both sides. However, senior officers trying their hardest to stop the march taking place was appauling and the detention of the 40 or so buses at Broxburn roundabout was illegal and completely out of order.

The trouble at Gleneagles itself appeared to be orchestrated by the police. While approching the fence, the tail-end of the march was harrassed by low flying helicopters including atleast one army chinoock. The police were also charging into the march as it turned the corner after the flimsy fence had been breached. Even at that point the march contained children. It was at this point that the G8alternatives stewards informed us as to what the situation was and it was decided that we should turn around and go back to the park. Leaving about 200 protestors stuck between the riot squad and a police line.

While waiting for news on when our buses were returning and where they were the police lined up in a military fashion and marched out into the road. A number of these officers appeared to have no numbers. They also misinformed a large number of us as to where our buses were parked. And many trecked to the opposite end of Auchterarder to where their bus was.

By and large, they day was a success, with around 6,000 people making it to the march. Despite the efforts of the police. Even then I would say the majority of police were friendly and seemed to be enjoying things for the right reasons but there were many who were the exact opposite.

It was a shame not to be able to get as close as we were allowed to Gleneagles, especially seeing as the fence breach was not as serious as it was made out.

Personally, this was not the end and it was not a victory for the powers-that-be and I'm glad that this G8 wasn't anywhere like previous summits in Evian or Genoa, certainly it seems that if the police had taken a far less confrontational stance then events would have passed off a lot more peacefully and we would have been able to try to pass a message on to the true terrorists, war-mongers and criminals inside Fort Gleneagles.
 
 
Loomis
14:19 / 07.07.05
Remember that MP that got busted for saying that 9/11 was a good day to bury bad news? Do you think the London bombings will overshadow reports of the G8 agreeing to continue screwing the developing world?

I can see Bush grandstanding about terror and using it to say that this proves that he was right about Iraq, and therefore right about everything else like climate change and debt relief.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
14:35 / 07.07.05
Were they really going to agree to anything else?

Sir Bob made sure that the general public were looking the other way with live8 (or how to try to kill activism) while at the same time cosying up to Blair and Brown. Now the terrible events in London. Safe to say that things will continue as before if not worse, we just have to continue to oppose them with various means and methods.
 
 
pornotaxi
09:57 / 08.07.05
scenes i've witnessed this week have convinced me that we live in a police state which is no longer clandestine in nature. the abuses of section 60 have been staggering, and the introduction of ID cards will be the icing on that cake. with the public transport aspect of the london bombings yesterday, and the london olympics 2012 looming on the horizon, the government have a firm corporate media public support mandate to not only introduce id cards, but to make them mandatory for the use of public transport. add to that the abolition of vehicle tax in favour of a mileage tax monitored by satellite tracking, and bingo - citizen's movement surveillence is sewn up.

if there's one thing i've taken from this week above all else, it's my ignorance of just how many ordinary people are willingly complicit in the fascism this country is diving headlong into.
 
 
Char Aina
10:24 / 08.07.05
story from the auchterarder local that may be of interest.
 
 
Morpheus
03:32 / 12.07.05
if there's one thing i've taken from this week above all else, it's my ignorance of just how many ordinary people are willingly complicit in the fascism this country is diving headlong into.

If I could only throw that up as a lyric...hell yeah. Don't take any shit from these bastards.

The G8 seems to have basically been used to be a backround distraction to start to initiate the real shit storm...I mean now that it's over, have they solved the poverty in Africa? is global warming not a problem now? Are those evil doer terrorists happy with just blowing shit up on GTA instead. Is the IRA a bridge club at this point. Or are we pushing along toward a full scale totalitarian prison/police state sponsored by, KFC, Miller brewing, Sprint, and Chevy trucks.
What the fuck got done, cause I saw what got undone and MTV sung the tragic sound track to the whole bloody mess.

This town is comeing like a ghost town.
 
  
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