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First they came for the contraceptives...

 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:33 / 21.06.05
A worrying article has been brought to my attention. Here's some choice cuts:

"The American Medical Association's policy-making body voted today to press for state laws that would allow physicians to dispense medications when there is no nearby pharmacist willing to dispense the prescribed drugs.

The new AMA policy is an attempt to overcome what doctors say is a stampede of pharamacists who say they cannot in good conscience dispense certain medications. The issue of conscientious refusal was first raised when some pharmacists refused to fill prescriptions for the emergency contraception pill, called Plan B. Additionally some pharmacists refused to fill prescriptions for birth control pills.

But AMA delegates say the conscience-based refusals have now spread to psychotropic drugs and pain medications.
[My italics]

The new AMA policy states that doctors should be allowed to dispense medications when there is no "willing pharmacist available within a 30 mile radius"...

"It's not just contraceptives," said Mary Frank, M.D., a family physician from Mill Valley, Calif., during a discussion of the issue. "It's pain medications and psychotropics. And not only are the patients not getting prescriptions filled, but pharmacists are refusing to return the prescriptions.
[My italics. NB: if the pharmacist does not return the prescription, the patient can't get it filled elsewhere] and they are lecturing the patients about the drugs."

Not underplaying the dangers of over-medicalization here, just haunted by the image of a paranoid schizophrenic or an arthritis patient sent home with a grim smile and a Chick tract instead of necessary meds... Your thoughts, please?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:16 / 22.06.05
I'll have to think about this a little more but my first reaction is that a 30 mile radius seems too large, it seems to suggest car use and it should be reduced to about 15.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:17 / 22.06.05
I'm not sure that pharmacists who refuse to give out prescription medication should be allowed to work as pharmacists, particularly if they refuse to give back the prescriptions.
 
 
TeN
02:20 / 22.06.05
"pharmacists are refusing to return the prescriptions."
this is the really disturbing part. how is this not illegal?
 
 
dj kali_ma
03:23 / 22.06.05
I take medication to keep me from freaking out on a regular basis. Living in the middle of nowhere doesn't help, but living in the city might be worse. And I dislike living in the city.

Infinite regress when I try to contemplate this.
 
 
astrojax69
05:45 / 22.06.05
absolutely spot on, mordant: disturbing. surely the physician is best placed to decide what medication the patient requires - the pharmacist is merely an operative ensuring the correct medication is dispensed, with appropriate advice on its ingestion, backing up the physician? and if the pharmacist has an issue with the medication prescribed, should they not be morally oblkiged to discuss this with the physician?

and to give back the prescription! this is an awful state of affairs.

and it will likely lead to physicians having on hand a greater supply of intense medication that will make their office a target, again, for b&e's and other robberies.

what can be done?
 
 
lord henry strikes back
09:45 / 22.06.05
This is an interesting counterpoint to those US service men and women who have been refused conscientious objector as regards the Iraq war (see here for an example).

As I understand it, if you want to be considered a conscientious objector in the US Army you have to apply in writing, stating your reasons in detail. This application then has to go through a review process, during which time I believe that you are required to carry out your duties. Finally, the application can be rejected (in the case of the above example, for no apparent reason) and you are shipped out anyway. I'm not saying that I'm in favour of either system (I guess there must be a happy medium somewhere), but I do find the disparity quite shocking.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:01 / 22.06.05
What kind of pharmacist has the medical training to know what's best for the patient? I'm really not capable of saying useful at the moment beyond "it's all gone to hell in a handcart".

What about the moral problem of not giving someone vital medication?

What states is this phenomenon occuring in? Or is it nationwide?
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:58 / 22.06.05
As I recall from my days working in a hospital pharmacy, the pharmacists were only allowed to refuse to fill out a prescription in the event of suspected fraud or, in the case of some of them, when people were unable to pay the prescription charge. Or if, in the pharmacist's opinion, the drug in question would be harmful to the patient (which would lead to the pharmacist checking with the doctor).

You could easily be struck off for refusing medication on "moral" grounds.

Pharmacists are certainly not able to make diagnosis in the same way as a doctor. However, in hospitals certainly, they often have a better understanding of the interactions of drugs.

In general it is better that there is a two-tier system of prescription and dispensation, as it reduces the chance of mistakes happening (although obviously they still do). But I feel there should be some kind of remit that allows a doctor to prescribe medication in the absence of a pharmacist, however purely in special circumstances.
 
 
grant
20:04 / 22.06.05
1. Conscientious objector status: To the military, it means you have to be consistently opposed to war for any reason whatsoever. If you've gone ahead and joined our all-volunteer armed services, that's a really hard thing to prove.

2. The pharmacists' right of refusal is a very new thing -- I think it was only made legal within the past three months, and I don't think it's been tested in the courts yet (although I could be wrong). Basically, the new law was set up so conservative Christians wouldn't have to violate their beliefs by giving women the "morning after" birth-control pill. That's contentious enough.

To me, it seems *likely* that the AMA is slightly overstating things as a stroke against the law, since they're squarely on the "right to choose (and by the way, stop blowing up our doctors)" side of that fence.

This being a land of lunacy, however, I can easily imagine some pharmacists getting all, "You ain't getting that oxycontin from me, you scruffy, crack-addict-lookin' son of a gun."
 
 
alas
16:29 / 03.07.05
Grant's spot on. Friends used to think we were crazy when we'd say the religious right isn't content to stop with abortion, they really want to do away with contraception altogether as well. E.g., in Rick Santorum's mildly infamous "man-on-dog sex" interview from last year, about why he's opposed to gay marriage, he specifically cited the Supreme Court's Griswold case allowing contraception as being, to him, the first step towards Gomorrah.

So, well, it's a pretty freaky place to be these days, these United States.
 
 
Lord Morgue
14:06 / 13.07.05
Don't see what old Frothy Mixture is so upset about, it's not like you need contraception when you screw the pooch.

Smell the sweet santorum NSFW
 
 
Char Aina
14:12 / 13.07.05
...which is not a work safe link.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:28 / 13.07.05
I think that stories like this show a divide, not just in America, but int he ruling party as well. They are trying to keep together a religious affiliating that sees contraception as a form of abortion and wishes to regulate morality with powerful business interests that include drug companies that WANT people to get meds, and want to research areas like stem cells.

The cracks are already showing, with the Business Friendly Republicans pushing through a bill on Stem Cells while the Religious Republicans pushing harder for the bill to be killed. As time goes on, these two factions will be fighting more openly, and I can see this issue being one of the battlegrounds.

There's also a VERY strong possibility in my mind that the Supreme Court will overturn some protections and leave others to states, much like the US had in the 50's and 60's, where birth control and abortion is legal in some states and illegal in others.
 
 
skolld
14:53 / 13.07.05
I don't have too much of a problem with someone making a choice based on their beliefs. but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences to those actions.
in the case of a pharmacist, you should very easily lose your job for not giving back a prescription, that seems like theft to me. I'm not sure how they're getting around that.

The concientious objector has his rights too, but his Court Martial is for missing his deployment. His command is supposed to give him non-combatant duties until his CO status is determined but he's still obligated to ship out with his unit. this site has some info.
I can understand why he wouldn't want to go back, Army guys can be pretty tough on a guy who doesn't want to fight anymore, i hope it works out for him.
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
15:29 / 01.12.05
An interesting developement on the "morality against contraceptives" front. This article (pops) has the details. Apparently, Illinois has a rule (law?) where a pharmacist cannot refuse to fill a prescription based on his/her morality.

From the article:
At least six other pharmacists have sued over the rule, claiming it forces them to violate their religious beliefs. Many of those lawsuits were filed by Americans United for Life, the Chicago public interest law firm with which Martin is affiliated.

The licenses of both a pharmacy and that store's chief pharmacist could be revoked if they don't comply with the Illinois rule, Bruce said.

Walgreen, based in Deerfield, Ill., put the four on leave Monday, Bruce said. She would not identify them. They will remain on unpaid leave "until they either decide to abide by Illinois law or relocate to another state" without such a rule or law. For example, she said, the company would be willing to help them get licensed in Missouri and they could work for Walgreen there.

Walgreen policy says pharmacists can refuse to fill prescriptions to which they are morally opposed — except where state law prohibits — but they must take steps to have the prescription filled by another pharmacist or store, Bruce said.


The most disturbing part of all of this for me is that Walgreens will not fire these people for not doing their job, but send them somewhere elsewhere to avoid violating the law. I will still not shop at Walgreens because of their stance on this issue, but it should be interesting to see how the courts rule on this one. This could potentially become a Federal case.
 
 
subcultureofone
17:31 / 02.12.05
i've been working on this problem for about 15 years.

in 1991, a pharmacist named michael katsonis, who was employed by the university of florida’s student health center pharmacy, refused to dispense the morning after pill, citing his religious beliefs. after much protest, he was asked to resign.*

the apha [american pharmaceutical association] is the largest pharmacy association in the us, and has some position papers or policies that address this directly. here’s an excerpt from the code of ethics on the apha website [italics and bold mine]:

I.A pharmacist respects the covenantal relationship between the patient and pharmacist.
Considering the patient-pharmacist relationship as a covenant means that a pharmacist has moral obligations in response to the gift of trust received from society. In return for this gift, a pharmacist promises to help individuals achieve optimum benefit from their medications, to be committed to their welfare, and to maintain their trust.

III.A pharmacist respects the autonomy and dignity of each patient.
A pharmacist promotes the right of self-determination and recognizes individual self-worth by encouraging patients to participate in decisions about their health. A pharmacist communicates with patients in terms that are understandable. In all cases, a pharmacist respects personal and cultural differences among patients.

VI.A pharmacist respects the values and abilities of colleagues and other health professionals.
When appropriate, a pharmacist asks for the consultation of colleagues or other health professionals or refers the patient. A pharmacist acknowledges that colleagues and other health professionals may differ in the beliefs and values they apply to the care of the patient.


i am unclear as to how the actions of these pharmacists are respecting the covenental relationship, the autonomy and dignity of the patient, and/or acknowledging the differing values and beliefs of their colleagues.

another policy statement excerpt:
The American Pharmacists Association’s (APhA) two-part policy statement supports the ability of the pharmacist to step away from participating in activity to which they have personal objections—but not step in the way.

and:
Similar to the situation where a medication is simply out of stock on any given day, if the pharmacist is unable to dispense the prescription, then the patient must be made aware of the options available to them to fulfill his or her medication needs. The pharmacist should not use their position of power to berate the patient, to share their own personal beliefs, or obstruct patient access to therapy—such as refusing to return a patient’s legally valid, clinically appropriate prescription. In most states this activity is prohibited by law.

it seems pretty clear to me that pharmacists who refuse to fill or return women’s rx’s are not using the conscience clause in the manner intended. my husband works as a pharmacist for walgreens. he has refused to fill rx's because a child was prescribed an adult dose, or the rx is for a drug the patient is allergic to, or the patient is taking another drug that will potentiate harmful side effects. however, in all of these cases, he has called the prescriber, explained the problem, and gotten a substitution.

a pharmacist who refuses to fill a morning after pill rx is not trying to prevent harm such as a dangerous side effect, allergic reaction, or overdose. he is attempting to prevent the patient from receiving the therapeutic benefit of the medication, when it has already been determined by her health care provider that she is in need of this therapy. this is akin to a patient with a cold coming in with an rx for an antibiotic and having the pharmacist say, 'you don't need this, most colds are caused by viruses, i'm morally opposed to contributing to antibiotic resistance, so i'm not going to fill it and i'm going to keep the prescription.'

the interference with non-contraceptive medications started arouind 2000-2002 with drugs like accutane. it is prescribed for acne and will definitely cause severe birth defects. congressional representatives have been demanding a national registry of women prescribed accutane and a protocol requiring a blood pregnancy test every month, with results reported directly to the pharmacist, who will then determine whether or not to dispense the drug. of course, if the test is positive, it will provide the pharmacist with an opportunity to harrass the woman about her pregnancy. also, when accutane is prescribed, birth control is prescribed along with it. a pharmacist who refused to fill a birth control rx for a patient on accutane who gets pregnant as a result and has a baby with severe birth defects might find himself slapped with a big ol' lawsuit. many psych & pain meds also cause birth defects, and have birth control prescribed with them. incidentally, even though accutane is also linked to suicidal ideation/suicide, no one seems to care about protecting the guys by having them register.

*however, the student health center continued its demeaning and unnecessary policy of requiring women who requested the morning-after pill to sign a statement promising to immediately start using a reliable form of birth control and answer questions such as where the sex occurred, how she’d met her partner, what his name was, and how long she’d known him. male students treated for sexually transmitted diseases have never been asked to sign a statement promising to immediately start using condoms, or answer any of the other questions. this, too, was protested and in 1998 infirmary director michael huey responded by revising the consent and intake forms, and removing the requirement that women promise to immediately start using reliable birth control.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:18 / 04.12.05
Thanks for that, subcultureofone.

I'd like to mention this link, which is doing the rounds on Lj (pinch of salt ect ect). I don't know anything about the site really, but it seems to have the backing of the Planned Parenthood Foundation of America. It purports to offer a list of major US pharmacy chains and to highlight their policies in regard this issue.
 
 
fuckbaked
02:49 / 25.12.05
"The most disturbing part of all of this for me is that Walgreens will not fire these people for not doing their job, but send them somewhere elsewhere to avoid violating the law. I will still not shop at Walgreens because of their stance on this issue"

I actually don't think this reflects badly on Walgreens. I do think it's fucked up to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control and the like for moral reasons, but I think Walgreens is just covering their ass legally. If the pharmacists invovled were to move to a state where it's legal to deny to fill prescriptions for religious reasons, and Walgreens wouldn't hire them, they might get sued for religious descrimination. If you want me to explain further why I think this might happen, I'll try. And remember, this is America, the land of bullshit lawsuits (remember the woman who sued McDonalds because she spilled coffee on herself and got burned - and won? Who the fuck doesn't know that coffee is hot?)
 
 
diz
12:25 / 30.12.05
remember the woman who sued McDonalds because she spilled coffee on herself and got burned - and won? Who the fuck doesn't know that coffee is hot?

Actually, despite being the most famous example of the frivolous lawsuit, the McDonald's coffee lawsuit was actually not frivolous. McDonald's had been keeping the coffee pressurized so that they could heat it to much higher temperatures without it boiling off. This practice had caused more than 700 serious injuries prior to the lawsuit in question, but despite this McDonalds kept doing it because it was cheaper for them to do so than to keep coffee at the normal safe temperature because they didn't have to change out the coffee pots as often during slow periods.

As a result, their coffee was significantly hotter (an average of 20 degrees) than any other coffee on the market and hotter than anyone would ever really expect coffee to be. The woman in question spilled some on her lap and it gave her third-degree burns which required a seven-day hospital stay and multiple skin grafts. Now, coffee is supposed to be hot, but not that hot.

The woman asked McDonald's to pick up her (extensive) medical bills. They refused, so she sued them for the bills and punitive damages and won. It's all pretty reasonable to me. McDonald's was selling a product that was significantly more dangerous than anyone buying it would reasonably understand it to be, even though they knew it was seriously injuring people.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:58 / 03.01.06
Thanks, diz- I hadn't heard that. Certainly puts a different slant on the case.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:41 / 01.02.06
(A belated 'nice one!' to diz for that--I get pretty sick of seeing that case touted as the epitome of a frivolous lawsuit.)

Yahoo News article here regarding a group of Boston women who are suing Wal-Mart for failing to stock the morning-after pill. They are arguing that this is a violation of state legislation requiring pharmacies to stock "all commonly prescribed medicines."

Apparently Wal-Mart does not stock emergency contraception in any of its pharmacies (except in Illinois). %Dear me, and they seemed like such a forward-thinking organisation, too.%
 
 
sleazenation
22:47 / 06.03.06
just adding the update that walmart has finally caved on the issue...
 
 
Crestmere
08:55 / 20.03.06
So under this line of thought I could become a pharmacist and get paid for sitting somewhere and reading citing my religious belief against prescribing any medication?

I mean isn't this kind of the next step in this thought process?




Secondly, I know that conservatives are playing the abortion card here and getting sympathy but what if it was a pharmacist who refused to fill an order for AIDS medication? And then refused to transfer it to another pharmacy or pharmacist on the grounds that "only queers get AIDS" or something like that?

I mean this is really reaching in to some disturbing territory. You get the doctor who actually tells you the medication you need and then you can only hope that the pharmacist will give it to you, and all of that is hinging on the fact that you have health insurance and can afford the medication.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:00 / 20.03.06
When I worked for [MAJOR RETAIL CHAIN] it was explained that even if we didn't beleive in an extended warrenty we had to offer them. The solution is, if any part of your job is a violation of your morality find another damn job.
 
 
Crestmere
03:49 / 24.03.06
never: in all fairness, I think there are degrees of morality between murder and hucksterism.

I worked as a telemarketer for a modelling school (I won't give a name but its one of the bigger ones) and I quit after 3 days (and one person quit 2 hours after starting)--it was the most immoral environment I could have imagined.


But at the same time, whats to stop a pharmacist from making himself in to a second doctor and demanding that people justify any medication? And I doubt he'd ask the doctor about it. And thats the danger of things like this because its cutting the doctor out of the process of it.
 
 
sleazenation
09:50 / 24.03.06
I'd caution against casting the doctors as blameless professionals in all this also, which I think Nolan is edging towards in some of his examples - Doctors' prescriptions can be shaped as easily by their religious and moral objections as can pharmacists...
 
 
Crestmere
05:32 / 25.03.06
I don't think that doctors are blameless.

But at the same time, they do have a duty to heal people that overrides their morality. Most of the time they could also pass something off to another doctor much more easily if they felt a dilemma.

Honestly though, I don't think there are many doctors who wouldn't perform an abortion to save the life of the mother, even the most ardently pro-life ones (since we're talking about this as an abortion issue).

I'm not sure there's the same kind of a dilemma regarding time in a lot of these cases. Many times you do what you need to do to save a patients life, especially for surgeons and ER doctors.

At the same time, im not sure how a doctor's moral principles would affect their prescription choices. While some wouldn't prescribe contraception, its not a particularly difficult drug to get. I would think that most of the ambiguities in this would be solved less by morality and more by drug company bribes or mitigation about safety.

But, geez, if I could actually get a job where I made 75 thousdand bucks a a year to sit somewhere and read and then refuse to do anything on the grounds of religion--count me aboard and praise Jesus. Because I mean this is the next logical step in that progression.
 
 
subcultureofone
16:04 / 14.04.06
pharmacists are now refusing to fill antibiotic rx's from clinics that perform abortions. they've also refused to fill prenatal vitamins from the same place. because if your ob/gyn also performs abortions, you deserve to have the health of your wanted pregnancy placed at risk for daring to associate with such people. does anyone still believe this is not all about controlling women's reproductive lives? how in hell does filling a prescription for prenatal vitamins violate one's conscience?!?

maybe this should have gone in convo's 'untamed hate and anger' thread.
 
 
ShadowSax
16:26 / 14.04.06
the worst part is, what happens to the people who are part of the flying spaghetti monster religion? what will THEY try to keep from us? penne?

i hate this country. canada is legalizing marijuana while the US is allowing its pharmacists to dictate the moral fiber of our prescription medication.

gah!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:45 / 14.04.06
they've also refused to fill prenatal vitamins from the same place.

That is disgusting beyond words. Some people desperately need to take these vitamins. For example: the crud I take for my epilepsy could cause neural tube defects in the fetus should one decide to become pregnant whilst taking it. Not taking it isn't an option because uncontrolled seizures have the potential to harm the fetus even more than the meds. I suppose that as long as the woman brings her spina-bifida or anencephalic infant to term, they don't give a cuss as to whether the infant is healthy or even able to survive.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
21:21 / 14.04.06
Are there any pharmacies on Native American land?
 
  
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