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A beginner on the path of magick seeks help.

 
 
Illihit
04:18 / 21.06.05
I'm eager to start my life as a magician. The problem is, I have no knowledge of where to start. All PDFs I read are dense and impenetrable, and all the threads I've read here are pretty much dealing with theory or assuming a base knowledge of magic. I'd get ahold of books, except for the fact that my parents are devout Christians and, well, to put it short, they work to prevent me from ever seeing anything related to magic.

Do you people think you can help? Maybe give me some good starting points, whether they be threads here or some sites out there? Or just some good ol' pointers to start me out on?
 
 
Katherine
05:16 / 21.06.05
Can I ask what pdfs you have been reading?
Any particular area that appeals so far.....chaos magic, ritual magic, witchcraft, vodun, etc or not sure yet?

There is a lot of stuff in the existing temple forums, although most of what I have read to do with beginnings is chaos based. It could be useful but there is a thread called free pdfs (I think) that as links to some complicated stuff and some stuff more for the beginner.
But it would be useful I think if we know what you have been looking at
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
05:31 / 21.06.05
Felix, frankly...dense tomes, books on magic, that's one way to go. Knowledge is good (I like knowledge, I'm an academic...knowledge is wonderful), but point of view is also very important.

Seeing things as being magical, or innately magical, or having the potential for magic is just important. Even mundane things are paths into something else if you can make yourself see them that way.

But probably your best, and easiest reading resource, is the Temple forums themselves, as archraven said. There's loads of stuff here if you're willing to sift through it.
 
 
Seth
07:29 / 21.06.05
What specifically got you interested in magic in the first place? Because knowing that might help us to offer a few on-point suggestions.

What are you already doing that works for you? If you've had some kind of experience that's piqued your interest that'd be good to pursue first simply because it's the path of least resistance - otherwise you'll just be learning tons of theory without ever putting experience first and foremost.

How much do you know about Christian or Christian influenced *magic?* The Charismata, Catholic ritual, Christian Kabalah, syncretist movents (Santeria, Santo Daime), Gnosticism, Enoch, the Apocryha, Alchemy... in fact there's a vast amount of the Western Occult Tradition that blends with Christanity and Judaism in interesting ways, would build on what you're already familiar with and give you an excellent grounding in some important principles. Use your discernment. Done well you'll be able to practise magic in plain sight.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:19 / 21.06.05
Well, what Seth said, obviously. Also...

One thing I think new magicians should always be encouraged to take up straightaway is some form of divination. The tarot is excellent, not only for its divinatory aspect but because it will help you develop a useful toolkit for your magical work. It's a gateway into the K/Qu/Cabal(l)ah and a great set of meditation focii among other things. (Mind you I'm a bit biased coz that's where I started out.

The I Ching is also very rich, although I have little personal experience of this.

You could get into the runes, since they are used both for divination and for various forms of magick, although any in-depth study thereof is inevitably going to involve working heavily with the associated pantheon. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's something to think over very carefully before you get your feet wet.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:22 / 21.06.05
You also need to be aware that just because it's easy to access a PDF file, it doesn't mean that the information within will be easily accessible.

Mind you, there's a whole thread of tried 'n' tested PDF's on Barbelith here, of which a good one to look at IMHO would be the Anathema Of Zos by A O Spare, simply because it's a magical world view presented as a symbolic story/parable. Takes a while to get with the language but it's an entertaining read and there are illustrations.

If you want to get an overview of ceremonial magic, look into the various bits of the Goetia, which is horribly complicated but valuable even for a skim, and for the fact that the roll-call of demons is what underpins a lot of demonology.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:25 / 21.06.05
...another thing is, don't worry about being interested in this sorta stuff, despite what these Xtian parents might say. There's nothing evil about reading books and expanding knowledge. I'm not sure why it's important to say that, it just feels like an important fact to establish.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
09:35 / 21.06.05
There's an excellent thread here which gives a random smattering of techniques you might want to try. The trouble, or perhaps the great advantage, to Magick is that it covers a massive ammount of relatively unconnected practices (divination, siglisation, evocation etc.) so its easy to get lost. Its better to go all 'Spirituality Shopper' when you're starting out so you get a good sampling of the stuff that's out there. Not that I'm saying you should be lazy, because only practice will make these techniques work for you.
Good luck.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:55 / 21.06.05
Why do you want to practice magic?
 
 
Quantum
18:45 / 21.06.05
What Seth and Gypsy said. I'd second Mordant's Tarot suggestion but your folks wouldn't like it, same with most things I'd recommend- they leave occult clues around he house. Maybe do it after you leave home...
I think the Library is a good place to read what you need, there's plenty of easily available introductory books, ask anyone here.
Why *do* you want to get into it though? Know thyself and all that.
 
 
ghadis
19:44 / 21.06.05
Why do you want to practice magic?...

Is not only the first question to ask yourself but also one of the most important questions to keep asking yourself all through it all. For me it really does seem like an integral and important part of my practice and the process of magic and my relationship with the world. It's good to start off with that self examination and critical aspect. I imagine you can get pretty fucked without it.

You don't really metion if there is a type of magic that you are drawn to. Did you enjoy reading about mythology at school or when you were a kid? Egyptian Mummies? Native American Shamans? Thor? Aboriginal songlines? If there is then READ. Read Homer or Apelious or read The Book of the Dead or Gilgamesh or Lovecraft or whatever.

From your post it's obvious that you have quite strict christian parents and have been brought up within those bounderies. Like Seth said above there is a massive amount of magic and practice that you could look into and incorporate into your own life.

However, your search towards magic may be an impulse to get away from that upbringing. Which is only natural, of course you should break away from restrictions, as the great Ramsey Dukes said......Everyone should do a Black Mass at least once in their lives....

Divination a great place to start at...Expect the ?????

Why do you want to practice magic?...
 
 
Illihit
20:44 / 21.06.05
Thank you for all the help. I'll try to answer some of the questions posed:

What specifically got you interested in magic in the first place?

Dragonball. I'm not joking. I would watch the old cartoon on Saturday mornings and be fascinated with these people's powers and abilities. Once I got ahold of some superhero comics, my obsession grew even more, as I saw Superman, the Flash, and Captain Marvel able to do things no ordinary human could.

How much do you know about Christian or Christian influenced *magic?*

Nothing, really. I know one thing about Jewish magic - golems. I had read a short snippet about them from The Adventures of Kavalier and Clay. I thought it was pretty interesting to see the use of mud turned into a person to help others.

Why do you want to practice magic?

I think there are four reasons. One, to help others. It's probably the ingrained Christian thought, but I always see the need to help others as a way to become spiritually sound.

Two, to solve certain problems that have nagged me for awhile. Who am I? What is the meaning of life? And other questions that I can't quite put into words, and may never be able to. I think magic will give me some answers.

Three, because Christianity doesn't satisfy me. I've looked into ever sect within Christianity, and none of them really would satisfy me, or have.

Four, and this is a superficial reason, but to have fun. I'm bored with the Bible. I want life to be exciting!

You don't really metion if there is a type of magic that you are drawn to. Did you enjoy reading about mythology at school or when you were a kid? Egyptian Mummies? Native American Shamans? Thor? Aboriginal songlines? If there is then READ. Read Homer or Apelious or read The Book of the Dead or Gilgamesh or Lovecraft or whatever.

As a kid, and to this day, I read as much as possible whenever I have spare time. I've always been interested in the ancient American mythologies of the Inca, Maya, and Aztec, and the ancient mythos of the Greeks and Egyptians. I don't know too much about the Norse or Aboriginies, though. I will read what you have suggested.
 
 
EvskiG
02:48 / 22.06.05
Sounds like you're at a fine place to start.

Given your background I'd suggest reading one or more of the following. All of these books focus on the Western Esoteric Tradition as filtered through the Golden Dawn, but they're all relatively simple and clear, and they all give lots of practical basics:

Modern Magic, by Donald Michael Kraig

The Essential Golden Dawn, by Chic and Sandra Cicero

The One Year Manual, by Israel Regardie

The Ritual Magic Workbook, by Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki

All should be reasonably easy to acquire.

But if you're expecting to get powers like Superman, the Flash, or Captain Marvel -- well, don't hold your breath.
 
 
ghadis
07:32 / 22.06.05
As a kid, and to this day, I read as much as possible whenever I have spare time. I've always been interested in the ancient American mythologies of the Inca, Maya, and Aztec, and the ancient mythos of the Greeks and Egyptians. I don't know too much about the Norse or Aboriginies, though. I will read what you have suggested.

I wasn't suggesting that you read the books that i mentioned more that if you had a particlar area you were interested to read a lot about that area. Obvious really. Sorry if i sounded patronising. Also if, as you mentioned in your first post, you are having problems getting books on magic past your parents, books on mythology and religion may get under the radar. If you pass off your interest in magic as an interest in mythology, anthropology or (the old time classic!) folklore you could be seen as more of a scholar that a dangerous nutcase!
 
 
Axolotl
15:05 / 22.06.05
Hi there, as a long time Temple lurker, first time poster I thought I'd throw my hat into the ring as it were.
I've always been interested in magic, folklore and have part of a degree in anthropology and I've had some intriguing experiences while under the influence of various psychedelics. However as someone with a fairly skeptical viewpoint on life I've always written these experiences off due to their drug induced nature.
Now if I wanted to carry out an experiment to prove to myself that magic is real, what would you say the best way to do so is? I will say I've not had any luck with sigils, though whether that is down to my execution (or doubt) I don't know.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:48 / 22.06.05

Now if I wanted to carry out an experiment to prove to myself that magic is real, what would you say the best way to do so is

I think that's a pretty loaded question in itself. What is it that you want to prove to yourself? What do you think magic is? What would you actually need to witness happening before your very eyes to adopt the belief that "magic" is "real"? What happens then?

The thing with magic is that you have to engage fully with it to get something going on, otherwise you're just going though the motions and nothing will happen. Take the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, for instance. You can read how to do it online, then perform it in your room, maintaining a slightly snide and sceptical frame of mind as to its efficacy - and not much will really happen. However, if you do it everyday and learn how to perform it like a beautiful art, then every gesture and vibration will have an impact on your consciousness, and by extension your subsequent experience of the world.

You can't really practice magic without getting very, very close to it - and it's difficult to do that if your main motivation is just to see if it works. It's a slippery beast, and it tends to come out and startle you when you're looking the other way and not expecting it. It resists attempts to pin it down in the cold light of day. Indeed, you can never really be 100% sure that even the most audacious results you have seen with your own eyes were not perhaps a strange confluence of self-hypnosis, auto-suggestion or coincidence. This is a good thing, as without the constant sceptic on your shoulder, you can quickly become an insufferable, deluded twat.

Scepticism is an essential tool in magical practice. Being a magician is not about suddenly "believing magic is real" - but experimenting with various processes and technologies and keeping a record of whether you personally find them valuable and worth continuing. I'd suggest you select something that appeals to you and work with it on a regular daily basis and see what happens. Try a few things and see how you get on. Start keeping a journal to record what happens. If you can see the value or potential value of a practice, continue it. If you can't, then don't. By approaching it in this sort of way, you gradually - and often imperceptibly - end up widening your sense of what is possible and what is "real". You might surprise yourself.

Don't expect to be able to dip your tow in the water and get miracles though. It takes a bit of time, commitment and personal investment before it starts to come alive, much like any other practice you might take up.
 
 
Axolotl
18:16 / 22.06.05
Well you've definitely given me some stuff to think on there Gypsy. I guess I was being a little glib in my post, but I guess what I was trying to put across was that I find it very difficult to embrace magical practice when at some level I am very unsure about its ability to bring about results - what ever they may be & however they are brought about. This is especially true when I question whether my very skepticism is the thing that will stop me from getting anywhere. I guess the thing is to approach it with an open mind, put some work into it and experiment with varying approaches to see their effects.
 
  
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