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Bland Music, Bland Government

 
 
Jack_Rackem
01:18 / 20.06.05
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2005/06/18/tony_chris/index.html

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I just thought this article was pretty interesting of how music today has just descended into a bland safe puddle of vanilla. Does anybody else feel this way?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:59 / 20.06.05
So, when you say that popular music has descended into a bland puddle of vanilla, against what period are you comparing it? Hasn't popular music always generally been stylistically aimed at broad appeal - hence "popular"? Is there a particular golden age of rock you have in mind, when the most popular bands in Britain were both musically adventurous and poltiically radical? Noel Gallagher hung out with Tony Blair, Alan McGee visited Downing Street, Gary Numan was a big fan of Margaret Thatcher, Eric Clapton was a fan of Enoch Powell, the Beatles chummed up with Harold Wilson.... where's the tipping point?
 
 
Seth
08:07 / 20.06.05
Does anybody else feel this way?

No. Sitting on my coffee table are about seventy CDs released this decade alone. I'm swamped in music.
 
 
Char Aina
08:18 / 20.06.05
i'm with seth.
there is shit music, sure.
its bought by loads of folk, sure.
not anything like a majority, though, and it is pretty easy to find the good stuff.

kano is in the metro today.
he's fucking wicked.
how does that relate to the blandness of your vanilla puddle?
 
 
rizla mission
08:52 / 20.06.05
How Coldplay's friendship with Tony Blair refects the sorry state of Britain's music scene.

Why wouldn't Coldplay want to meet Tony Blair? I'm sure they'd get on swimmingly - they pretty much deserve each other.

I hope you're not labouring (no pun intended) under the impression that somehow 'rock bands' are inherently anti-establishment or something..

I'd say the more pressing issue would be how Coldplay's shitty music reflects the sorry state of Britain's music scene.

And, as has been pointed out, the answer would be "not very well".

I've said it before and I'll say it again; to anyone who's sitting around moaning about how the music 'scene' is dead or boring or rubbish - why don't you pull your head out of the mainstream media's ass and go and listen to, y'know, some of the unspeakably vast amount of GOOD MUSIC that's created/released every single day by people who don't get put on the cover of Q magazine?

Or, alternatively, you could hand in your 'person who likes music' badge at the door and fuck off.

Harsh but fair.
 
 
haus of fraser
08:58 / 20.06.05
didn't we just have this thread...

a coupla weeks back

I'll say the same thing as i did then- join the mixtape swap and stop moaning about music you don't like- there has always been middle of the road music it's not new- but theres also lots of exciting music out there...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:03 / 20.06.05
Frankly, Coldplay are a lot better than an article which slams new bands for not being rock and roll enough to shag groupies, and ends up calling for a punk revival. Like the good ol' days.
 
 
Char Aina
09:20 / 20.06.05
...alternatively you could cease the moaning and expend all that energy thrashing the living shit out of a guitar(or whatever) in a style you feel is appropriately challenging.

unless you're not even as good as coldplay...?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:27 / 20.06.05
I've seen Brendan O'Neill speak (at the ICA, at the 'How Will You Vote?' event), and he was just as embarrassing then: arguing that people shouldn't vote, but in a very incoherent fashion that suggested he was more concerned about appearing iconoclastic and 'rebellious' in the most superficial sense than actually being able to construct a point. He did a lot of the same things then that he does here, eg confusing and conflating Blairism with, for example, grass-roots political movements that are in direct opposition to Blairism. It's when he talks about Radiohead and The Libertines in the article that you get the clearest picture of his mental deficiencies: Radiohead are "conservatives" (O'Neill can't cope with idea of anyone "getting us to behave in what they deem to be an acceptable and responsible manner", so he sees any advocates of environmentally sustainable behaviour or social justice as teh same as Tories - what a child); Pete Doherty is not rock'n'roll enough - behaving within "strictly defined limits" - because he doesn't go on about how great his heroin habit is! Pathetically wrong in the head.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:04 / 20.06.05
Not that I enjoy Coldplay, but don't they support one or two charities? Which means that they are potentially actually helping a certifiable number of actual people, as opposed to- what? I mean did the Sex Pistols actually remove a repressive monarchy, or cause real, measurable anarchy? I'm not saying they did or didn't, but just think on it.

I'd still rather listen to the Pistols, though, if that's worth anything.
 
 
Seth
10:11 / 20.06.05
They tithe to charity, I believe. Which probably works out as quite a considerable sum of money.
 
 
Ganesh
10:14 / 20.06.05
And they don't like to talk about it.
 
 
Brigade du jour
17:56 / 01.07.05
Mate.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:46 / 01.07.05
Do you mean they don't write songs about it? That's something I'd picked up on as well. However, if vice versa, they just wrote the songs without giving the money, would that be worse, better or the same?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:08 / 01.07.05
On a related note, I was just looking at the papers and it strikes me that Live 8 could well be the dullest gig ever.

Not, you understand, because of the choice of bands.

Rather the fact that they've all announced exactly what songs they're going to play and in what order (idea for another thread- why is this expected at classical recitals but a bit shit at rock gigs?), and even the Russian guy on the ISS who's gonna be introducing Elton John via satellite link has had his whole speech printed in advance. (This, for me, is the bit that's really poo).

Where's the fun in that?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:27 / 02.07.05
I don't really think Chris Martin's that bland actually though I much prefer reading articles about him/watching interviews with him to listening to his music because usually I find what he has to say a lot less drab.

I really don't see what's wrong with being a vegan and if you're in a position to send a Prime Minister a note- well I would, it might be more abusive but I'd definitely send a note. I've been thinking about this in connection to Bono and I think, well Bono had a conversion, the lead singer of Coldplay has been involved with the Oxfam campaign for years. There hasn't been any swinging, or an epiphany, I don't have a problem with people really thinking that MPH is a good idea, it's the campaign that I would have liked to see conducted a little differently not Chris Martin's continued commitment to the charity behind it.

And like Flyboy I have problems with O'Neill who doesn't even support doorstep recycling so why on earth would I trust his response to this?

I prefer to think of the UK music scene in terms of people like M.I.A. and not Coldplay who are okay but really musically boring.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
09:21 / 02.07.05
I like Coldplay.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:24 / 02.07.05
Well, if you want to you can.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:15 / 03.07.05
Hang on a minute. Are you complaining that your government is bland? Holy Mary, get over it, most of the world is ruled by psychopaths.

We need to have some kind of Barbelith Cluelessness Awards ceremony.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:15 / 03.07.05
(Not you, Nina!)
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:32 / 03.07.05
It would be nice to think that Coldplay (who make music you find derivative and sheeple-aimed) are in cahoots with the Blair (who makes policies you don't like), and Bush, and Darth Vader.

I mean I think like this an awful lot. In my mind, King Mob and Iggy Pop are in a lightsaber duel with the four-armed Bastard Spawn of David Blunkett and Greenday.

It's just that while in this case, Blair and Martin actually do get on, it's usually a lot less simple in "the real world". Bands you think you like and agree with might hide all sorts of bullshit. Your hate figures might actually be really nice to their dogs.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:45 / 04.07.05
Using "sheeple" unironically = YOU LOSE THE INTERNET.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:17 / 04.07.05
But I didn't. Forget it.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:57 / 04.07.05
Consider it a warning.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:09 / 04.07.05
Or a misreading. Can we get back to the point, if there is one? What would happen if Alec Empire was mates with Blair? Would politics become more exciting, or Atari Teenage Riot more bland?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:24 / 04.07.05
More bland of course!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:08 / 04.07.05
Without wishing to veer TOO far away from the remit of this forum, does anyone else actually think we have bland government in the UK?

ASBOs, detention without trial, the attempted removal of habeas corpus...

...none of this really says "bland" to me.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:09 / 04.07.05
...but Alec and Tony out on the piss would be TEH BEST REALITY SHOW EVAH!!!111 etc.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:24 / 04.07.05
I think if Alec Empire was mates with Tony Blair it might make the (perceived by me) anti-authority stance in his music seem a bit unreal.

No, at the moment, we don't have bland government, we have vote chasing, dangerous law-making government. But I think Tony Blair's personality could be described by some as "wet", "a bit middle class", and "uncool/hip". Which I think was the original idea of this post, because you could say some of these things about Coldplay.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:24 / 04.07.05
I think if Alec Empire was mates with Tony Blair it might make the (perceived by me) anti-authority stance in his music seem a bit unreal.

Yeah, I could never take the Ugly Rumours seriously as subversive punks if Tony kept that kind of company.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:10 / 04.07.05
ASBOs, detention without trial, the attempted removal of habeas corpus...

...none of this really says "bland" to me.


Pretty unoriginal restriction of freedom though. Dangerous but still very bland.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:11 / 04.07.05
Banality of evil and all that?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:11 / 05.07.05
Banality of THREAD.
 
 
rizla mission
11:47 / 05.07.05
Amen.
 
  
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