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Under-rated books

 
 
Cat Chant
13:28 / 19.06.05
So Loomis started this very enjoyable thread on over-rated books, and I have so far restrained myself from posting in it, mostly because I feel like I spend too high a proportion of my posts here on Stuff That I Hate. So instead, I've been prompted to start a thread I've been thinking about for a while: one to pimp books that we know and love, but that are little-known - maybe they're small-press books with bad distribution, maybe they're just out of fashion at the moment, maybe they're even out of print.

Mostly, I wanted to talk about this book, Judy MacLean's Rosemary and Juliet, because although it's one of the best books I've read in years, I've so far only seen copies of it in a small left-wing independent co-operatively run bookshop in Bristol, and in Sh!, the women's sex shop in Hoxton. Although I disagree with this reviewer's evaluation of the novel, I do think she's right that

it’s a book that seems to be in the wrong place. Rosemary and Juliet is being marketed as a piece of romantic fiction, in a publishing milieu that is already overloaded with second rate lesbian romances... Rosemary and Juliet would be a stronger novel if it was approached as a piece of fiction for young adults. It... could be the kind of thing that real life Romey and Julies would find validating and useful.

Anyway, this is a stunning novel. On the level of the sentences, it's not as polished or well-crafted as it could be (you can read the first three pages here here), but the writer's instincts for narrative and characterization are brilliant, starting from the premise: translating the Montague-Capulet feud into the contemporary murderous conflict between gay people (and their allies) and fundamentalist Christians in the US. It's obvious which side the writer is on, but none of the adult characters is perfect (nor is anyone completely evil): Romey's liberal mother's dismissal of the seriousness of the girls' feelings (they're only teens, they'll get over it) is just as important a theme in the book as Julie's fundamentalist father's condemnation of homosexuality as a sin. It's a really humane, moving book, in a way that I find rare in contemporary fiction (which is mostly all about how people are inherently bad, unhappy, inexplicable, and powerless over their bad lives).

What books am I missing out on?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:33 / 19.06.05
'A Glastonbury Romance' by John Cowper Powys is as good a book as 'A Day In The Life' is a song, I figure. Similar themes, plus the apocalyptic, ecstatic ending, when that guy gets crucified... All joking aside, I can't really recommend this highly enough - 'God,' you'll feel 'That shouldn't have happened to John.'

Fans of Tolstoy and Gervase Milligan may enjoy said novel so much it might physically hurt. It's a bit harder to get through, but is nevertheless pretty much as good as, 'The Master And Margarita,' which you should immediately rush out and get if you're unfamiliar, just to stay fashionable.

Also, that awful person 'Sax's' novel is just about conceivably worth £12.99 ( paperback edition, yet, ) of anyone's money, if they had more of that, for whatever reason, than sense.
 
 
Benny the Ball
16:35 / 19.06.05
I'll offer up Schrodingers Cat by Robert Anton Wilson. I'm a big Illuminatis! fan (by him and Bob Shea) but this book doesn't seem to get the notice of the other and seems to be stuck in barely available small press mode. It's fantastic, taking some familiar names from Illuminatus, but mixing with the idea of multiple earths and realisties based on perceptions of individuals, all dressed up in a comedy conspiracy romp. I'd write more, but I always dry up when I want to write on Barbalith, so will risk Boboss and co's rage by leaving it below the 200 word mark, and just saying that I found it less 'cool for awareness' sake' than Illuminatus! and more fun and an easier read.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:18 / 19.06.05
Don't know if this qualifies, but any of Roald Dahl's short stories. He's remembered fondly and rightly so for his children's fiction, but his '"adult" stories like 'The Wondeful Tale of Henry Sugar' or 'The Great Automatic Grammatizator' kick most credited short-story writer's back-sides. A friend and I have long talked about writing a screenplay for 'The Wonderful Tale of Henry Sugar' and though I can't remember if this was done as one of the 'Tales of the Unexpected' TV adaptations, I think it would make an "wonderful" movie.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:31 / 19.06.05
Another book which I'm surprised more people haven't read is the metafictional classic:

'Breakfast of Champions' by The Master, Kurt Vonnegut.

'Cat's Cradle' is also worth a read.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
09:42 / 20.06.05
The Death Guard by Philip Chadwick. Odd science fiction novel written after the first world war. A British scientist grows an army of creatures in labs to fight future wars. When the European powers realise, they invade.
Only for sci-fi fans really.
 
 
authentic
19:15 / 20.06.05
this might not count as under rated, but i just finished it ... and to say the least hes probably not the most widely read writer. but people should check out Charles Bukowski's "Women", if your easily offended i really wouldnt recommend it, but if you enjoy the most brutal honesty one could imagine then you should pick it up. he has the most basic prose, but excellent insights, it makes for a quick few day read.

enjoy.
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:17 / 22.06.05
'The Ginger Man' by J.P. Donleavy. One of my favourite books, and like the author, sadly overlooked. In retrospect, a lot of his books were the same thing written over and over with only small variations, and the shoddy treatment of women isn't really excusable, but! I can't help but like it all the same. It was his first book, (written in 1955 or so) and follows the main character in his drunken adventures throughout Dublin and London...

...his last book as well, 'Wrong Information is Being Given Out at Princeton' really redeemed him for me, and it's under-rated enough that I've never really even seen it for sale in a bookstore. Although the tones and characters are the same as most things he's written in the last 50 years, he really writes them well here, and the book is incredibly sad but great reading all the same...

(When they compiled the list of 'the top 100 books of the 20th century' a few years back, The Ginger Man was #99... which seemed very suiting. Sort of well known, but not really...)
 
 
rizla mission
09:16 / 22.06.05
I feel this is a good thread.

Here are some under-rated books;

'A Confederate General at Big Sur' by Richard Brautigan

Brautigan may be established as a fully-fledged hero in some quarters, but you’d still have trouble convincing anyone in Waterstones of his existence, and this slim ‘70s paperback set me back £6 second-hand from a shelf marked 'cult / collectable', so yeah, underrated.

This is a staggering, amazing, joyful book in which no particular point is made about anything, nothing much happens and in which the narrative potters about aimlessly for a bit and arbitrarily stops and declares The End at about page 130.

It’s about two irresponsible, drunken losers who go and live in a make-shift cabin on the cliffs at Big Sur and.. do some stuff I guess. In this respect it reminds me of 'Withnail & I', and like 'Withnail & I' it’s very, very funny indeed and some moderately fucked up shit happens. But rather than bleak and depressive, the tone here is sunny and exultant.

I don’t know how to really convey the charm and wit of Brautigan’s writing without directing you to read huge chunks of it, but needless to say; think of the beautiful, free and easy way of life initially dreamt of by the beats and the hippies before malaise and disappointment and reality set in – THAT’S the spirit this book represents, and that’s the glorious, goofy garden Brautigan builds for his characters, and you dear reader, to fleetingly run free in. While you’re reading this book, you will feel good. Recommended in the highest possible terms in which I can recommend anything.


'Random Acts of Senseless Violence' by Jack Womack

I bought a remaindered copy of this with a hideous faux-cyberpunk cover for £1. It’s about 110 pages long. It’s fucking brilliant. It’s basically an imminent-future update of the Diary of Anne Frank, following the plight of a well-to-do Manhattan Jewish family whose financial stability is wiped out, along with many others, in a huge economic collapse. They move to a rough neighbourhood, try and fail to get by, and slowly crack up. Their daughter, the narrator, joins a street gang. There are bread riots and soldiers marching everywhere and nobody giving them orders. The acts of the book’s title start to come into play.

Womack’s books may usually be packaged as pulp sci-fi, but at his best he’s working on the same wavelength as Chandler, Lovecraft and Dick before him – a genre writer who unashamedly subverts and expands his remit to take in challenging themes, solid emotion and blinding prose. Here he tackles the uglier sides of class, race, sexuality, politics, poverty and puberty head on in a way that’s neither contrived nor creepy – he’s got all the compassion and frustrated idealism of Vonnegut tied to a brutally minimalist and effective noir style and a relentlessly fast-paced, catastrophic narrative with that kind of grabs-you-by-the-throat-and-won’t-let-go feeling that speaks of a fine, fine writer who’s honed his art to it’s sharpest point through years of jobbing in the realms of ‘popular’ fiction.

His other books are intermittently great and on the whole recommended, but this one is a masterpiece – a low-key, unpretentious triumph that to me is worth more, and says more, than any number of "the smell of almonds reminds me of unrequited love.." bullshit literary bestsellers.


'Fugue for a Darkening Island' by Christopher Priest

Although it was pretty well regarded when it was published in the ‘70s, this book is rarely sold, read or mentioned these days. This is possibly because from the evidence of the rather misguided title and a brief summary of the plot, it could easily be mistaken for some kind of reactionary anti-immigration scare story. But I know Priest is a good egg, so I read it anyway, and I’m glad I did.

In brief, it goes a bit like this; After a series of ominously ill-defined catastrophes in Africa, an endless succession of rickety ships and barges begin docking all over England’s south coast baring hundreds of thousands of refugees. The right-wing government in power at the time deals with the crisis in the worst way imaginable, establishing virtual concentration camps with no real plan as to what to do, and encouraging the wave of racist attacks that sweep through middle England. Liberal opposition to this policy precipitates a parliamentary crisis, but still neither side know what to do. The Africans, tired of such shoddy and inept treatment, muster their strength as their numbers increase and are soon roaming the Home Counties attacking and occupying villages. Then comes confusion, displacement, civil war, greed and cruelty – stuff we’ve seen on the news a hundred times before, but bringing it back home to England is a chillingly effective device in upturning the reader’s perceptions of it. Like 'Random Acts..', 'Fugue..' is a short, sharp shock and Priest pulls no punches in exploring the nightmare he’s created through the eyes of the cynical, Ballard-esque protagonist as he tries rather haphazardly to protect his family and figure out which way to turn as they find themselves as helplessly stranded as any African refugee.

Obviously Priest doesn’t court xenophobia, but neither does he jump for any of the liberal open goals the plotline might suggest – like 'Heart of Darkness' (which I guess this is kind of an update of in a lot of ways), the book remains non-partisan and offers no heavy-handed political message and no easy answers – the narrative remains cold, simplistic, amoral and brutal as the characters try to stay alive – the violence and betrayals are shocking and harrowing. The basic message - "this is everyone’s fault – we’re all fucked". It' the good old Wyndham-esque English disaster novel turned very, very dark indeed.
 
 
Sax
11:15 / 22.06.05
Riz, you made me want to read all of those. You're a rather nifty reviewer, aren't you?
 
 
Cat Chant
12:00 / 22.06.05
Hear hear. And can I put in a plea for everyone to try and be more like Riz, at least in this thread? There's a few posts with just information about the plot, or rather vague terms like "brutal honesty" or "insights," from which it's hard to gather what the book has that other books don't, why we should go to the effort of tracking it down... I just feel that when people do go the extra mile in trying to convey what a book means to them in some detail, it makes for interesting reading in itself and also does a better job of pimping.

paranoidwriter, do you really think Vonnegut's underrated? Breakfast of Champions has been continuously in print for thirty years and (as far as I know) is one of the few science-fiction novels read by people who don't read science-fiction. My feeling would be that SF as a whole is underrated (maybe) but Vonnegut isn't.
 
 
Nobody's girl
13:18 / 22.06.05
I've also read Random Acts of Senseless Violence. Rizla is quite right, it is a very well written book. I particualrly enjoyed the way that as the main character changes through her experience her narrative voice also changes. I don't want to give away too much, but it is a very effective device and skillfully used.

A book very similar in theme to Random Acts is The Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler. Yet another disintegration of society book for the fretful children of the cold war. It's not quite as good as Random Acts, but is a little bit happier.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
15:15 / 22.06.05
paranoidwriter, do you really think Vonnegut's underrated? Breakfast of Champions has been continuously in print for thirty years and (as far as I know) is one of the few science-fiction novels read by people who don't read science-fiction. My feeling would be that SF as a whole is underrated (maybe) but Vonnegut isn't.

Yeah Deva, I understand what you mean. However, it's been a long time since I was up to date on the sales and the reprint side of publishing, so I was basing my judgement on day to day experience. As I almost typed in my last post, I meet REALLY well-read people all the time and although they may have read 'Slaughterhouse 5', hardly any of them have even heard of 'Breakfast of Champions', which (IMHO) is a superior novel in many, many ways. Of course, on Barbelith there are members who have read all, or most of Master Vonnegut's work, and I wasn't suggesting for a second that this novel is a hidden gem, or anything or the sorts. Indeed, in retrospect, I suppose putting 'Breakfast of Champions' here (i.e. "underrated") without a fuller explanation may have been misguided; apologies.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
17:43 / 22.06.05
great thread, wonderful recommendations.

Here's a gem:

All of my Friends are Superheroes by Andrew Kaufman (no relation to Andy Kaufman)

brilliant little story told from the perspective of the man without any super powers, and as such, the subject of fascination to all of his friends with them. Super powers include such things as brutal honestly, perfectionism, hypnotism, amphibiousness, etc.

Albert Angelo and House Mother Normal by BS Johnson

experimental fiction woven into well-told, amusing stories. Albert Angelo really plays with form - there are physical holes in two of the pages - pages with two columns, one for words that are spoken, one for what Albert's thinking at the time.
House Mother Normal has us observing a strange series of events in a geriatric ward through increasingly incoherent narrators - until the pages look as if letters had been sprinkled with a salt shaker.

beyond that, very clever. He refers to it as a geriatric comedy.

enjoy
>pablo
 
 
grant
18:43 / 22.06.05
I'm in the middle of A Voyage to Arcturus by David Lindsay and I think I've figured it out.

It was written in the early 20th century (1920s, I think), kind of masquerades as a rollicking proto-space opera, but is really (I think) an allegory about some kind of inner teaching/occult wisdom.

The story starts at a seance in a well-appointed salon in London. Three men arrive late, just as the medium evokes a spirit -- well, more like summons a strange, fair man out of the ether. Suddenly, one of the latecomers leaps up and wrings the apparition's throat -- the fair man's face twists into a hideous "morally vacant" grimace, and the three dudes leave.

The main character turns out to be one of them, a man named Maskull who doesn't really know his companions that well and doesn't understand what just happened. It turns out the two guys are men from a planet orbiting Arcturus, and they offer Maskull a ride back to where they come from.

He accepts because, well, why the hell not.

OK, that's the set-up. Once on Arcturus, Maskull finds himself possessed of weird new sense organs that keep changing depending on what region or country he's in. There's a tentacle growing out of his chest that, to begin with, senses/increases empathy. And there's a nodule on his forehead that at first simply allows him a certain limited telepathy.

The first place he wakes up in is all lovey-dovey, pacifist, compassionate. They don't eat animals or plants, and live only by drinking special water. The next place he goes to is all violent changes -- mountains spurt up from the ground without warning, people keep killing each other, the tentacle turns into an arm (senses lust, desire for objects) and the nodule becomes a third eye that focuses his will, such that he can take over other people's minds (or be taken over himself).

That's as far as I've gotten. He's gone through a new mutation and has met some kind of Christ figure.

It's intensely strange, has "cult classic" written all over it, and was recently name-dropped by Alan Moore in an interview. The strangest thing to me is the style -- it's really rather poorly written, the characters are barely believable, but the imagery is COSMIC and ALIEN and the guy's obviously trying to communicate something he thinks is VERY IMPORTANT INDEED. It's as though Madame Blavatsky tried to teach the public by ghost writing Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter, Warlord of Mars books -- or, even more, a cross between culty religious stuff from the 1850s and far-out interplanetary adventures from the 1950s.

Marketed as science fiction, but the only actual science seems to be some kind of psychology. Can't wait to see where it goes next.
 
 
matthew.
02:32 / 23.06.05
Okay. I know I'm going to be hated for it, but here goes:

Michael Crichton's Sphere. I know. Hate me. That's fine. Of all the books I've ever read, the one that's easiest to return to is this.

Some scientists, including a psychologist (or psychiatrist, I can't remember), are asked by the US government to go to the bottom of the sea and investigate a crashed ship from the future. In the ship is a gigantic golden sphere, that may or may not be an alien lifeform.

In Crichton's usual style, the science is interspersed with random action scenes and gruff military guys getting their come-uppances. But something else comes through with this novel for me. Perhaps it's the underwater part (I really have a thing for books/movie/whatever that features bottom-of-the-sea stuff), or perhaps it's the well-researched psychology (most of it is not warped by the author for his own needs). I think it's the ending that really does it for me.

Spoiler-->





The sphere grants the three main characters the awesome power of being able to physically manifest their own desires, such as the desire to kill the other scientists. This desire manifests itself as a giant squid, or an army of poisonous jellyfish. At the end, the three scientists realize their power and all think of the same desire: to expunge the power and expunge the sphere. It's a surprisingly humanist ending, I find. One that believes in the inherent power of man's mind.





<--End Spoiler

I know it's a lame choice. Most people are mentioning these great forgotten books and I mention trash. Whatever. Hey, we all can't always read a Canticle for Leibowitz, which is vastly under-rated as well, I might add.
 
 
grant
22:05 / 30.06.05
I should mention that where I'm at in Voyage to Arcturus, the protagonist has just met a "third gender" person, referred to with the pronouns "aer" and "ae".

Very odd narrative indeed.
 
 
broken gentleman.
17:28 / 05.07.05
I might just be completely out of the loop, but I only heard of Paul Auster's New York Trilogy from a friend, a little over a week ago. The three books (City of Glass, Ghosts, and The Locked Room) are all detective stories in one sense or another, but also each comprise a story about writing as an art and a lifestle, as well as making differing conclusions about human nature.

City of Glass (the graphic novelisation of which was fairly recently re-released) centers on a man named Quinn, an author, who has resigned himself to churning out crap detective stories after personal tragedy takes writing away from him as an art form. somehow he gets mistaken for a detective (named Paul Auster, oddly enough), and finds himself playing the role he often writes, and protecting a victim of a decade long isolation as a child from his recently released father. The value of all this is elucidated in an early comment about detective novels, that in a good one, nearly any fact is filed away in the mind of the reader, because anything could be important. When reading City of Glass, this feeling is apparent. That, and the added value of watching broken people attempt to make the world right, and life grinding away at them regardless.

Ghosts is the shortest of the three, and centers on a detective named Blue surveilling a man called Black, at the behest of the enigmatic White. Dedication, isolation, and the meat of life are examined through the life of a man on a perpetual, apparently meaningless stakeout. This becomes Blue's life, but it also never truly loses the mechanics and appearance of a game. Mostly, Ghosts is about being trapped.

The Locked Room is the story most about writing, at least in surface reading. A man named Fanshawe disappears, leaving a wife, an infant child, a lifetime of writing that has never been read or published, and instructions that his closest childhood friend read the works, and decide whether they are worth publishing, or if they should be destroyed. Locked Room is about fear, self-doubt, inadequacies, and the willingness to let these things supercede life. A postcard from the presumed dead Fanshawe arrives, and suddenly the wife and child, taken by the friend as his own, become something to be fought over. A search for Fanshawe, to either kill him or understand him, begins to consume the narrator's life, just as the subject of Fanshawe himself has become a destructive and vital part of the narrator's marriage and livelihood.

This was fairly celebrated at it's time, and maybe considering this underrated (more like forgotten, really) is based on the gaps in my (unfinished) education. This postmodern trilogy ties together in interesting and at time confusing ways, but never leaving a reader with the idea that Auster has confused indecipherable with insightful. The best compliment I can give this book (I picked up the trilogy in a single volume from Penguin) is that it has led to several of the most interesting discussion of writing that I have had in years, including the time spent at university studying english.

But really, who isn't a sucker for a good detective story with a twist, or for work that leaves you thinking?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:13 / 06.07.05
Paul Auster is definitely one of the Modern Greats (not sure if he's underrated though). (IMHO) His prose style is easy, cultured, witty, and veers smoothly between dry and cutting and compassionate and empathic without so much as a shudder. Mr Auster never (to me) sounds false, nor does he feel the need to insult the reader, and as a writer (ahem) I love him for the fact that his technique and narrative devices don't scream out at me on first reading. Always a joy to read.

BTW, if you liked 'New York Trilogy', wait till you get a load of 'Mr Vertigo'.
 
 
Cat Chant
14:21 / 06.07.05
Grant - Voyage to Arcturus sounds fascinating. It reminds me a bit of a little-known 19th/20th-century science-fiction novel called Tomorrow's Eve (originally L'Eve Futur) by a chap called Comte de Villiers L'Isle-Adam. It's about Thomas Edison, who lives in a sort of Sebastian-O type cyber-laboratory-dungeon and spends the whole book directing a torrent of flowery monologue at some bloke or other, designed to get him to 'marry' the lady android that Edison has just designed. (The twist is that it turns out the android doesn't actually run on electronic gadgetry, but is voiced by a medium who is lying behind a curtain in the cyber-laboratory-dungeon the whole time!) I never dreamed there was a whole genre of "early C-20 science-fiction about mediums and psychic powers": I might devote some *ahem* scholarly attention to it...

(Justifying paragraph: Tomorrow's Eve is certainly obscure: I'm not entirely sure I'd argue it was underrated, since it's much more interesting when read in the context of early-C20 conceptualizations of telepathy and teletechnology than it is successful as a novel, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless.)

Incidentally, I wonder whether we should start a Book Pimping Club thread so people can plug not-so-underrated stuff like Paul Auster there too?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:33 / 06.07.05
How about resurrecting Better than Will Self?, in which we sought to identify writers in English who were better than Will Self
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
00:26 / 07.07.05
Poker Without Cards by Ben Mack.

Written in the form of a Transcript of a discussion between Author/Advertising Exec Howard Campbell and the Psychiatrist who is holding his catatonic friend in an institute. It plays with honesty and authority and is a giant experiment in disinformation systems and meme theory. Goes into alternative history and meme stuff heavily. Very much in the same vein as Robert Anton Wilson or Grant Morrison stuff but for the first time in a long while it is something new in this vein.

Underrated in that it is obscure and self-published through lulu.com. (lvx23 from the 'lith also has a book published through there. and probably so will I eventually) Before that it was published as an e-book on pokerwithoutcards.com. When it came out in e-book form and I originally read it there was this weird vibe/connection with this book called Memetic Magic by R. Kirk Packwood. At the time I was convinced they had been written by the same author. I thought that the Memetic Magic book was to show the theory/mechanics of what they were doing in Poker Without Cards and I thought Poker Without Cards was to show the application.

To kind of indicate how good I think this book is I'll tell you the following. I started to re-read my Robert Anton Wilson style fiction and without even thinking about it I included this on that list. That might not seem like the highest praise to some but you have to understand how much I like Robert Anton Wilson.

Also I've heard that rinf.com is doing a big interview with someone involved in the book soon.
 
 
This Sunday
01:11 / 08.07.05
Lindsay, who died I believe fairly young, had a kind of silly desperation in the amount of unusual shit he compiles in his 'Voyage...' but, yeah, the actual telling is calm and inexpertly relayed, which is unfortunate. About the third time I read this, though, I was suddenly hit by one of those weird epiphanous moments: Shit characterization? Yes. Generic elements and prosaic language? Check. Odd and uncomfortable pacing? Definitely; in abundance, even. And then I realized... that all makes it more realist than realism, y'know? As though it's so generic in its generic bits, so prosaic and stereotypical that the absolutely inexplicable space-travel-through-a-drink, third-gendered head-prongy beings, and mysterious beardy men of silly names and dark manifestations... seem exceedingly honest, because there doesn't seem to be enough wit behind everything to fake it.
Shot the book up in enjoyability.
 
 
Loomis
07:31 / 08.07.05
I love him for the fact that his technique and narrative devices don't scream out at me on first reading.

I really liked Leviathan but found New York Trilogy to be utterly transparent "do you see what I did there?" material. My dislike of that book was precisely that his narrative devices did scream out at me. Leviathan seemed written by another person as it was far more subtle and engaging.
 
 
grant
19:01 / 08.07.05
I should totally just start another thread on Lindsay, but am afraid it would die a swift death because of inaccessibility of copies... but yeah, there's something really endearing about the clumsiness of the style.

According to the intro in my edition, he actually had to yank a big chunk of it out (1,500 words? 150,000 words?) for the publisher.

Wait a minute... I just Googled and holy crap it's all online, and again here. So you can read it for yourself.

So much for inaccessibility.

Tomorrow's Eve sounds like fun to me -- funny that the translator's name is Adams.
 
 
macha in pigtails
07:36 / 09.07.05
I LOVE Poker Without Cards It is very meta-fictiony. The Characters are all real or claim to be on the internet and every person in it is lying. There is like four layers of deception to the story. The Alternate history stuff is basically Buckminster Fuller's version of Political Science.

Did you know there is another book called Poker Without Cards on Amazon? By Mike Caro the guy who wrote The Book of Poker Tells a book on reading gamblers body language. The whole deal is fishy. There is no book called Poker Without Cards by Mike Caro.

It all smells of Joseph Matheny. He was the guy who supposedly published the Ben Mack poker without cards. He is also the guy who hijacked the Ong's Hat stuff and later published it as a COMIC. The whole thing is bullshit. or the future of literature. There is a story, then there is a character who investigates then there is a trail of evidence then there a bunch of people talking on the internet bashing each other. Disinformation systems as literature.

On other Topics I liked the City of Glass by Paul Auster better as a graphic novel than as a um novel novel.

And thanks for the links I'll check out the Lindsay stuff later.
 
 
Janean Patience
12:11 / 30.04.07
This was a great thread and, like the books within, deserves to be more widely read. To get it back on the front page, I nominate

Well-Remembered Days: Memoirs of a Twentieth-Century Irish Catholic by Arthur Mathews.

There's a kind of comedy that doesn't really get laughs. It's better than that. There were probably four or five moments when I laughed out loud reading this book for the first time. Since then I shudder to think how many hours I've wasted leafing back and forth through it, marvelling at the comic perfection herein, the constantly weaving tapestry of lies and delusions that make up this singular life. It's quiet, understated and constantly references a history and culture I have only a glancing knowledge of. But it's one of the funniest books I've ever read.

Eoin, the ostensible author of the memoir, is a narrator who knows himself not at all. He contradicts himself within a sentence or a paragraph. He's capable of incredible absurdity at times of national importance and of solemnity on the most ridiculous of subjects. Catholicism and the shape into which it bent Irish society are at the centre of the work. Eoin is a keen censor, lives within a celibate marriage, supports the grand tradition of Republican Paedophile Priests and hates anything modern. His unwavering belief in an Ireland where the poor know their place, priests rule without question and women don't really enter into things is ultimately almost endearing.

The humour is hard to describe. Gentle seems to damn it by association. There's stuff in here that, when you think about it, is truly horrible but when it's presented in the voice of Wogan tis' charming for a moment. It relies on the reader reaching the end of a sentence or a paragraph before thinking wait a second: what? The trick works again and again. I'd quote copiously but I don't have the book here. In the early pages, Eoin's riposte to the success of Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes is: "The poverty that McCourt harps on about was confined to a handful of malcontents (probably no more than 10 or 12), who, if pressed, would probably admit that their lot was not so bad after all.... My own memory of Ireland... is that everyone was blissfully happy all of the time."

It's wonderful. No-one I've lent it to has ever liked it or even got it. All I'm saying is try it.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:57 / 30.04.07
There are some things which are seen as being 'canon', but which are not at all widely read apart from to study, which is a real shame. Of this wide group, I think the early-middle-English long poem Pearl is a good example - as well as the language not being impenetrable, only "difficult in it's beauty", the Everyman edition I have has translations and thesauraic notes. Anyone can read it.

It leads with the conceit-allegory of someone owning a precious "Pearl withouten spot", which they "prise most singlery" (value uniquely), but then: "I loste hir in on herberie" (loses forever among the plants of a garden). Of course Pearl is also an entity, perhaps the person's lost child or relative, perhaps lover - for me, that opening image probably puts into words that whole thing in a way superior to 99% of anything else...it will be online somewhere, try checking Wikipedia. If you read no other poetry this year, read Pearl. It really does make most contemporary poetry and novels seem like selfish, unconsidered dreck.
 
 
Nocturne
15:09 / 30.04.07
The Mark of the Horse Lord by Rosemary Sutcliff.

My mother had an old copy that I read, and re-read, and re-read as a kid. It's a children's historical fiction about a Roman gladiator who ends up posing as a king of a celtic tribe. By the end of the story, the imposter has actually become a king in the truest sense; he cares for the people in ways that would make the actual king proud. There's intrigues and politics and warrior women and right-of-passage and general good fun. Too bad it's out of print.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
19:38 / 30.04.07
It's not out of print in the UK. Loved her as a child and think I may get a copy, thanks.
 
 
GogMickGog
08:43 / 01.05.07
Though Hangover Square wears the silver sleeve of a penguin classic and those numpties at Word have been singing his praises, Patrick Hamilton remains a diminished star. Back when Gaslight was the toast of broadway (starring one Vincent Price) and that one-take wonder Rope made the switch from stage to screen, Hamilton's name was on everyone's lips. And yet, since his death he has been all but erased from the public canon, much as a certain notoriety has landed on his shoulders; he will ever be tarred with the boozer's brush, just as Burroughs will always be a 'druggy writer', a tag greatly undermining their respective achievements.

A terrible shame, as Hamilton's greatest work features barely a tipple in sight: The Slaves of Solitude is as sober (in both senses) and sensitive a novel as any great work could hope to be. It deals with the turmoils of boarding house life during the second world war, when evacutaion forced the most unlikely of people together. Yet this is no novel of drawing-room manners or petty squabbles. From the smallest of lives Hamilton summons great drama, a sense of universal battles fought and lost, personalities bent to the point of rupture.

The alcoholic misanthropy of his most famous work is all but absent. Instead, Hamilton guides us straight to the heart of the human condition and out the other side, integrity in tact. His perfect ear for dialogue is much in evidence, as is his sense of combat waged in civil confines - across the dinner table or passing in the street. A powerful, en-nobling book, one which sees Eliot's 'skull beneath the skin', the lurking menace and power games at the heart of human interaction, and is not afraid to move beyond it.
 
  
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