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Proving NLP

 
 
Seth
15:32 / 18.06.05
I’ve recently been asked to have an informal chat with representatives from the Constabulary’s Occupational Health department about the benefits of NLP. My point of contact framed what was expected of me via email: he’s interested in peer-reviewed research papers on NLP, how my training was researched and warned me that some of the people I’d be talking with were “non-believers.”

I’m not convinced I’m a believer in NLP myself. I’m a believer in my own abilities first and foremost: being a believer in NLP would seem to be like believing that the quality of a spade made a good gardener. There’s a marked difference in between practitioners who use the techniques and those who can make them work, and there’s all sorts of reasons as to why that might be. Knowing what to use and when, how to use it and with what, with subtlety and rapport, warmth and caring… you can’t learn love and wisdom by modelling them. I’m not sure you can learn them at all.

I also know that the pioneers of NLP have a lot to answer for. They chased the dollar and the business market and made some hugely arrogant claims that pissed off a lot of people. If rapport and pacing are as important as they say they are then you have to wonder about their motivations when it came to antagonising the establishment. Enthusiasm for your discoveries is one things, marketing speech quite another. So I imagine I’ll have to address some of these kinds of concerns when I meet with OH.

However, I have a few concerns about how the NLP model seems to directly contradict the way in which usual psychological tests are conducted. Bear in mind here that I have no psychology degree, I’m not well versed in how tests and experiments are conducted, and so a lot of my theorising is based on common sense and best guesses. Please correct any assumptions on my part: learning is the entire reason I’ve started this thread.

Firstly, NLP is a discipline and an ontology without borders. Many advocates stress that it is a model “about” models, and this can border on appropriation: whenever something is modelled by NLP it becomes NLP, because the model used to critique informs all observations made about the model being critiques. I talked with Suzi Smith about her experience of practitioners modelling shamanism – it’s therefore possible to practise a form of shamanic technique under the name NLP.

Combine this with one of the central tenets of NLP, that practitioners are interested in “what works” as opposed to “what is true.” On my training Dilts went as far as encouraging us to riff on the techniques we were being taught, and that if we knew things from disciplines outside of NLP we should use it. I like that: that Robert Dilts is wise enough to distinguish between NLP and non-NLP, rather than state that the primary model that a person uses by necessity co-opts all other ideas and techniques into it. Otherwise NLP would seem to be vampiric, ripping ideas from other models out of context.

However, the presupposition that “what works” is what’s important goes against what I understand to be the typical scientific method of experimentation that requires a technique to be isolated in order to be tested. For me there is no such thing as a typical intervention, and I wouldn’t presume to be such a virtuoso that I’d tie both arms behind my back and run an intervention just using eye-accessing techniques. When I’m working with people I may well use in excess of ten to fifteen discreet NLP techniques. Or I may use no NLP whatsoever. What’s important is helping the clients to bring about the changes they want. My pet theories and my ego aren’t as important as doing what’s right for them, and that requires constantly relating to the person, as well as a lot of love and wisdom. One has to build as thorough an understanding of the person as possible using whatever techniques or observational skills you have at your disposal, and be constantly flexible enough to know when to do the unprecedented. All the best therapists have to stretch themselves beyond what they know whenever they encounter a new client, because they don’t know that client. Milton Erickson knew this very well.

So for me the whole concept of isolating techniques from within NLP goes against testing NLP as a whole. And herein lies a problem. Because in a test of the meta-model you can’t easily distinguish between the efficacy of that technique from the fact that the practitioner might be matching non-verbal cues and building a rapport with the person’s breathing. How do you get rid of these variables? And how is it possible to test the entirety of NLP? I’m beginning to suspect that you can only test the hit-rate of specific practitioners, rather than the model they’re using. More of that later, for now I’ll summarise by saying that isolating techniques involves turning NLP into something that it isn’t, regardless of how relatively easy it is to isolate specifics in the first place.

Secondly, any test has to have a concrete aim. You can’t run an experiment without knowing what you’re testing. This creates two further problems. NLP is about pacing the client in their model of the world. The first thing you’d do if you were working with someone is find out what they want and work in their terms. Let’s hypothesise that the test is “How you can use NLP to cure depression.” First of all any decent practitioner would ask what the client wants, and would get them to frame it in the positive. It’s very hard to give someone “not-depression,” it’s a vague objective to the point of being useless. The positive expression of this objective might be “health,” “happiness,” “a sense of well-being,” “wholeness:” all things that are object-oriented and involve positive goals that would necessitate the curing of their depression in the process, because a state of general happiness and wholeness cannot exist with a state of general depression within the same person at the same time. Therefore you change the frame of the experiment and work towards the client’s positive aims from the outset because the original objective was logically ill-formed by the criteria that is true to NLP. Again, you have to disregard elements of the NLP criteria in order to test it by the experiment’s criteria. The practitioner would prefer to work towards what the client wants in a way that is achievable rather than try to force themselves into a shape permissible by the experimenter’s wishes.

Thirdly, and taking further the above example of depression, any practitioner worth their salt would want to re-attach the client back to their experience rather than the story they’ve told themselves about their experience. This involves asking them exactly how they experience their depression – what tells them they’re depressed? How do they know? In other words, you elicit the symptoms and separate them back out from the diagnosis. Suddenly you’re no longer working with depression. The client’s issues become about a general lack of energy, apathy, feeling useless or hopeless, unable to motivate themselves. Is depression the client’s word for their experience, or is it the doctor’s? What changed when they started calling their experience “depression?” I’m interested in whether the diagnosis helps create the condition that it describes, and whether a problem oriented approach simply perpetuates the problem rather than moving the individual towards what they want. Here again, by re-attaching the person to their actual experience and not abstract descriptions or value judgements about their experience we change the frame of the experiment: it’s no longer about depression. How does diagnosis fit in with the presupposition, “no-one is wrong or broken?” That “we’re doing the best we know how to do, and if we knew better we’d do better?”

I’m increasingly feeling that I don’t necessarily want to sell NLP at the meeting, because I think that it’s only one full person who can help heal another person. You can’t just be a bag of techniques. You have to be able to extend yourself past your limits and work in new ways for the individual. There’s no substitute for love and wisdom, which explains why some therapists are successful and others aren’t.

These are my thoughts for the time being. To close, I think I really need help here! I don’t know enough about the ways in which psychological experiments are conducted, and I need to learn quick in order to field questions and objections should they be raised. I don’t need to know everything, but I need to know more than I do now. What do you guys know? Do you know of any research that’s been conducted that addresses my concerns mentioned above? Or am I totally off-base?

Any ideas?
 
 
gravitybitch
16:59 / 18.06.05
Not helpful, but my first impulse is to run away...

In your shoes, I'd want to know more about what they wanted the information for, what they thought NLP might be able to do for them... (You may already have that information.)

I don't know enough about NLP to suggest search terms for papers; seems to me (as a "customer") that the collection of techniques that are usually associated with NLP have migrated out into general practice and may be used to some degree by people who don't necessarily agree with that model of how and why people learn/change, and that that model of how people work has informed the work of a lot of people who will not ever consider themselves to be NLP practitioners.

If they want to hire you on as a consultant, you have complete control over the quality of the work. Seems more likely to me that they're trying to determine if it's worth their while to send one or two of their employees off for training; it's your call as to whether all the things in the toolbox that is NLP are likely to be used well or as bludgeons and pointy things.

That might be your best bet - the "This is a tool kit" approach. Yes, it works; yes outcome is dependent on the skills of the person wielding the tools. It works because... the underlying metamodel of how people learn is well-established (cite papers? search for review, Ericksonian, and a handful of other qualifiers that I don't know enough to identify?), NLP adheres to this model in these ways.... is likely to get this sort of result in this sort of setting (tailor to Occupational Health, whatever that might entail in your area)...

Good luck. I wish I knew more, could be more helpful.
 
 
Seth
20:27 / 18.06.05
Not helpful, but my first impulse is to run away...

In your shoes, I'd want to know more about what they wanted the information for, what they thought NLP might be able to do for them... (You may already have that information.)


I've asked a couple of times for clarification and not got a lot back in response. A couple of people there are strong advocates of NLP, and it seems there are others who aren't.

My point of contact says they've used NLP in the past for *change issues.* Not very helpful, eh? Considering that the the entirety of one's life is a *change issue,* it's non-specific to the point of being meaningless.

I'll probably start by asked them as individuals what they know already (if I can), which'll give me a hook into taking control of the group. Framed as "I don't want to teach you to suck eggs" it could work quite well, so I'll be able to assess the room and play the group dynamic from the beginning.

Running away is not an option. This may well be hard, but it has to be done...
 
 
Smoothly
00:02 / 19.06.05
Seth, I know next to nothing about NLP, but I admired the clarity of your opening post and wonder if that isn't a pretty good response to any demand for clinical evidence for the effectiveness of NLP, as if it were an antibiotic. Exactly what do you imagine they expect you to be able to offer?
I assume you can say something about how your own training was researched, and as for 'non-believers', are there any compelling experiences from your own initiation and practice that you could draw on? What made you a 'believer'?
 
 
Seth
01:29 / 19.06.05
I assume you can say something about how your own training was researched, and as for 'non-believers', are there any compelling experiences from your own initiation and practice that you could draw on? What made you a 'believer'?

I have anecdotal evidence up the wazoo, mate. I just want to be prepared for anyone who thinks that *empiricism* and *objectivity* are anything but made up words for phenomena that don't exist.

Although you could say that about all language...
 
 
Lurid Archive
18:06 / 20.06.05
I have some sympathy for what you are trying to do, partly because I'm not sure that the scientific method has been particularly sucessful in psychotherapy of any kind. But I'm also slightly wary of the way you are shying away from testing. I'm about as skeptical as they get, I suppose, and I think you always have to be aware that most of us are very gullible. Thats why cold reading works, to an extent, and why "what works" is sometimes just a measure of "how good a con-man is this?"

I believe that you could sort out my life, Seth, but I'm not sure I believe that NLP would have very much to do with that. You say as much yourself. Which isn't to say you are a con-man, by any means, but I think I'd offer a lot (probably too much) resistance to being sold NLP. Like you say, you aren't thinking of doing that, but I'd try to think of ways of defusing the belief versus non-belief issue. It is likely to stand in your way otherwise.
 
 
grant
20:28 / 20.06.05
Well, on the "tool-kit" tip, I know that I've seen plenty of peer-reviewed research in journals of social work & psychotherapy about various therapeutic techniques that seem to be related to or spawned from NLP. Sometimes they'll have slightly different names, or they'll be packaged differently -- as therapeutic tools rather than, what, means to change your worldview/realize your potential/whatever.

What do you mean by "traditional psychological scientific methods"? I mean, there's scientific method (dream up a way you think something works, then dream up a way to test that supposition, and then actually test it to see if it really does work that way), and there are psychological methods (behavioral therapy, prescribing Prozac, psychotherapy/talking cure, "brief response" therapy), but the two things are using "method" slightly differently.

You can scientifically test the healing modalities by using them on populations and seeing if the people are healed or not. That's basically how the literature works -- the kind of research you'll find in social work journals.

The problem is that it's never entirely clear what "healed" means exactly -- it's a subjective measure, usually. I mean, there's mentally ill and there's not-mentally ill, but there's also a kind of wide fuzzy border in between the two.

But I'm beginning to ramble.
 
 
astrojax69
22:06 / 20.06.05
as you say, seth, i'd be rather wary of why plod want this... i admire them to being so open to nlp and the like, but i'd be keen for you to expound grant's point, I mean, there's mentally ill and there's not-mentally ill, but there's also a kind of wide fuzzy border in between the two.

there is soooo much about the brain and how it works we don't know, can't even conceptualise yet. as goldberg so eloquently recounted, today's imaging techniques (mri, pet, etc) are to neurobiology as the first telescopes were to gallileo - we are nowhere near hubble yet!

so the status of the 'health' of a mental state in an individual is still largely a cultural instantiation and the culture of plod must rock up against this kind of 'spooky' science like a tsunami... run away!

well, good luck, let us know how you go / went...
 
 
Seth
23:28 / 20.06.05
Scintilla Trovata: But I'm also slightly wary of the way you are shying away from testing.

I'm not so much shying away from testing as I am questioning the way in which the tests that I've read about have been conducted, by those who wish to prove and disprove and the third set with no real agenda behind the tests. They just don't seem robust enough, or involve people who aren't trained practitioners using skills out of context.

I think I'd offer a lot (probably too much) resistance to being sold NLP.

I'm interested as to why you'd choose to be resistant. Does it have to do with the word "sell?" The term "NLP?"

I'd try to think of ways of defusing the belief versus non-belief issue.

I think I can do that by getting to the positive intention behind those who believe and don't believe. At the end of the day we're all people who want what's best for the clients we're working with. Debate about the veracity of working methods is entirely to do with caring about people.

grant: Well, on the "tool-kit" tip, I know that I've seen plenty of peer-reviewed research in journals of social work & psychotherapy about various therapeutic techniques that seem to be related to or spawned from NLP. Sometimes they'll have slightly different names, or they'll be packaged differently -- as therapeutic tools rather than, what, means to change your worldview/realize your potential/whatever.

That's what I'm encountering too. There's a huge amount of overlap between the set called NLP and other disciplines. Perhaps part of my answer is to work at destroying the term NLP as something contentious by contextualising it back into the components of where it's drawn from.

What do you mean by "traditional psychological scientific methods"?

I have no idea what I mean! I'm as clueless on this subject as The Red Hot Chilli Peppers are about how to be a decent band. I hear stuff about double-blinds and other testing methods for which I can't recall the impressive-sounding names. If that helps explain my ignorant vagueness...

You can scientifically test the healing modalities by using them on populations and seeing if the people are healed or not... The problem is that it's never entirely clear what "healed" means exactly -- it's a subjective measure, usually.

Exactly. Which makes it extraordinarily hard to test in a satisfactory manner.

astrojax69: as you say, seth, i'd be rather wary of why plod want this...

There's a CYA mentality rife within the Constabulary: Cover Your Ass. Make sure you've publically done everything you can do to show that if something goes wrong it's not your fault. It's a type of transparency that's about showing you're not to blame for the fuck-ups. Wanting a vald research base to justify your actions is one means of doing this.

so the status of the 'health' of a mental state in an individual is still largely a cultural instantiation and the culture of plod must rock up against this kind of 'spooky' science like a tsunami... run away!

I'm not going to run away. I'm going to do this head-on with as much good humour, honesty and goodwill as I can.

And as part of doing that I need to establish whether or not the weirdness of NLP can co-exist within the equally weird climate of the Police. As one of my friends put it via email: (arguing the case for NLP) would appear to be useful if what you are after is a job. But perhaps the wider question is could NLP in all its vagueness and unmeasurability survive in a police system. Surely their very analysis of it in the "rightness" of the law would inhibit its experimental and explorative nature. The interview could be a useful test to find that out. The worst case scenario that I could see would be the creation of a great arguement, get the work, then get damaged by the system.

At the end of the day we're all trying our best to do what's best. That's their motivation, that's mine. If our working methods to reach that point are incompatible then at least that's a question answered, onto the next thing...
 
 
grant
13:50 / 21.06.05
Hrm. How up on science are these police dudes?

I mean, when I say "double-blind, controlled study" do they just glaze over, or do they perk up and say, "Hey, yeah, that's the way it oughtta be!"?

For that matter, does that mean anything to you?

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Yer abstract says "Can anyone explain to me how these methods work?"

There are three things to look for in most scientific studies that mean they're being done properly:

1. Peer reviewed: The research is published in an academic journal where other scientists (the researcher's peers) can review every element of the experiment - the method, the data, the conclusions. Not all scientists will agree that a particular method is properly rigorous, or that some conclusions are warranted.
(Like, on the radio this morning, I was listening to researchers talk about bacteria from hot undersea vents that appear to photosynthesize light from glowing lava rather than the sun. The experimental method -- sending an unsterilized probe down to the vent and back -- is being critized by some peers because they think the bacteria would be too fragile to survive that heat, and probably hitched a ride on the probes from elsewhere.)

2. Controlled - this means that the researchers compare a group where something is done (new Vita-Gro on your tomato plants!) to an identical (or nearly) group where nothing is done (the puny plants with no Vita-Gro). The experimental method is supposed to ensure that the control group really is as identical as possible to the experimental group.
In psychology and social work, the comparisons between control and experimental groups are where a lot of statistics come in.
The bigger your groups, the better the experiment, since the average results are less likely to be skewed by (inevitable) weirdness that will strike one or two subjects. (The wrong beetle lands on your control tomato plants, a couple of the tomato seeds were splashed by mercury when you were planting them, whatever.)

3. Double-blind -- the researchers who deal directly with the two groups (control and non-control) don't know which one is which. They only know ID numbers. In medical studies, this is where placebos come in -- neither the subjects nor the researchers who deal directly with the subjects know if there's anything good in that tablet or if it's just made of Vita-Gro plant food. They can't give any unconscious cues, and they can't unknowingly jaundice their results depending on what they want to happen.
Another group of researchers takes the raw data and lines up the results from the control subjects on one side and the non-control results on the other, then compares them.

With psychology, therapy, etc. it's hard to get authoritative numbers because it's hard to gauge human responses that specifically. They use what they call "tools" -- generally these are some kind of survey/questionnaire/interview thing that assesses mental states. The Myers-Briggs or Minnesota Multipractic Personality Inventories are two such tools, but it seems like quite a few researchers develop their own depending on what they're measuring, or use other ones specific to their field. (INFP doesn't mean much if you're measuring alcoholism rates.)

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Here, I realized there was an easy way to discover authoritative research on NLP:

1. http://scholar.google.com

2. enter "neurolinguistic programming"

3. get this list of academic journals & citations. For most of them, you'll only be able to get abstracts unless you subscribe to the journals (expensive).

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grant
13:55 / 21.06.05
Oh, and abstracts will have all the conclusions you want, and a brief overview of the methods. They're just not terribly in depth and don't cover all the odd things that may have affected the outcome.
 
 
grant
14:19 / 21.06.05
I'll shut up after this:

one case history (not a controlled study) in a peer-reviewed journal.

and

an introductory article from the BMJ (British Medical Journal) that you might find useful. The bit about "started as psychotherapy but is now used in things like coaching" is what I'm thinking about for you.
 
 
Seth
23:14 / 21.06.05
Thanks grant. I'm starting to jot down my thoughts on this into a coherent order. I'll let you know how the meeting goes.

There is another concern of mine, one that I haven't mentioned: that my lack of experience in actually getting paid for what I do will stand against my credibility when I present to the group. There's not anything I can do about that, however...
 
 
astrojax69
00:58 / 22.06.05
aww, that's an easy one seth - just fake that. the group won't know and wouldn't care if they did, unless you bring it up in some way to make them care: speak like the 'expert' and they will believe...
 
 
Seth
01:39 / 22.06.05
That's exactly what I'm not trying to do, astrojax69. I won't try to sell NLP, to make NLP out to be something that it's not. And I won't try to sell myself, to make myself out to be something that I'm not. If that means I have to work harder in the long run then so be it, I'll have earned anything good that happens to me rather than have misrepresented myself to get it ahead of its natural time.

And I refer you to my friend's comments that I copied from his email: what might seem to be a beneficial opening might not be. Forcing a door to give myself NLP-related work won't help me in the long run if the Constabulary doens't have a platform to allow me to do the work. There's a potential to open myself up to danger by not respecting the existing ecology of the situation. Using persuasion and misrepresentation is likely to backfire spectacularly, escpecially considering I'll always know that I'd done it. I'm not a fake and if I cheated my way into work I'd always know that's what I'd done. You can't help to heal people if you have no integrity.
 
 
Seth
02:00 / 22.06.05
It's worth bearing in mind that I didn't ask for this meeting with Occupational Health: they asked it of me.

When I first started with the Constabulary I sent an email to OH asking them if I could advertise myself as practitioner on the Constabulary's Intranet site. I'd intended to start up my own practise doing specific interventions and short to long term coaching arrangements.

I considered this to be the honourable thing to do. It's not polite or particularly wise to act to market myself on that particular forum without seeking permission. I don't want to tread on anyone's toes.

It was my point of contact with OH who suggested they might consider using me, and who asked if I'd come and talk to the rest of the team. I'm intrigued by the possibilities the meeting might offer, and also wary about the lack of decent communication from their side of things. So we'll see how this runs on the day...
 
 
astrojax69
02:58 / 22.06.05
didn't mean that you should misrepresent yourself, just that you shouldn't be het up thinking you are 'unworthy' in any way... just relax and be yourself, don't sweat what isn't important... the message should speak for itself.

seems like you have done all the right things and if plod is going to do anything useful with nlp they also have adopted a worthy strategy, getting seth in to give them the lowdown.

as you say, it will be up to their own [corporate] identity as it stands as to how nlp fits in with needs and resources...

g'luck!
 
 
Seth
16:43 / 01.07.05
Well, that was a lot of fun!

The OH team seemed like a really nice bunch. Most of them were ex-nurses with OH qualifications, very friendly and chatty. They gave me a broad overview of what they do and the types of work that come their way, and then pretty much handed over to me to present to them, rather than have a back and forth discussion.

I think I did really well. I mean, I waffled in places, probably could have trimmed down some sections and expanded on others, but my heart was in the right place and they commented on the passion with which I spoke on the subject. So I communicated the spirit of what I was talking about, which is the most important thing.

I started off by being sure to let them know that I’d never presented on the subject, that I was quite nervous and that it was quite involved subject matter to explain. I then went on to say that I was there to describe rather than *sell* them anything. In fact I did quite a lot early on to get them onside, and while it was true that I was nervous it was my choice to tell them as opposed to portraying myself as flawless. I have an uncanny ability to appear inscrutable at times.

My definition of NLP was pretty much drawn from Robert Dilt’s rather good website (check out the Encyclopaedia, it’s a fantastic resource). I went into a little exposition on the way NLP suggests that we form our conceptions or models of the world by generalising, deleting and distorting information that is taken in through our five senses. Because of my own particular slant on NLP I spoke about physiology, making the point that we don’t experience the world, we experience the effect that the world has on our bodies, and I also went into a little detail about how experience is coded into posture, boy language, muscle stresses and breathing. So the first section was essentially establishing that human beings are incapable of being anything other than subjective.

I then went on to break down NLP, that it’s not monolithic and that there are many different takes on the ideas, often with different names. I spoke about the major influences behind Bandler, Grinder, Dilts and DeLozier’s thinking, about how they drew from Alfred Korzybski, Gregory Bateson, Noam Chomsky, Virginia Satir, Ivan Pavlov, Milton Erickson, Ernst Haeckel and Fritz Perls (amongst many others). The idea was to contextualise it, something that is hugely missing from a lot of NLP writing and presentation. NLP is often portrayed as new and revolutionary when a huge amount of it is very well established throughout the last hundred years. With this existing material NLP at best took the ideas further and suggested innovative uses, most frequently finessed it and made it easy to learn, and at worst appropriated it and simply rebranded it.

I made all my reservations clear throughout, particularly concerning how access to NLP training is dictated by the size of your wallet and how ethics and best practise are modelled by the trainers but not specifically taught. So many NLPers are virtual automatons possessed by the jargon, refusing to see any flaws, and people rightly find that mentality disturbing and cult-like.

Having defined and contextualised NLP I then gave some examples. I chose specific examples for a very good reason, specifically the wonderful tale of Milton Erickson treating a patient with a condition nicknamed word salad and examples from my experience of working with a girl who was phobic of work (always raises a chuckle, but she was actually terrified of work and would sabotage herself at every turn to avoid getting or keeping a job. The actual work wasn’t the issue – she recently got a first in her degree with the highest mark in the history of her course, achieved through an obsessive amount of late nights/early starts and a keen eye for detail – it was being employed that triggered the phobia).

These examples were chosen as a platform to talk about how verifiable NLP is in terms of clinical trials. I made the point that psychological research and therapy have two extremely different goals. The former seeks to establish broad laws of how people work, the latter is interested in helping and healing one specific person. In effect the therapist has to become as fully conversant as possible with that persons world model in order to make a difference, and reinvent their approach for every person they encounter. The structures and sub-models of NLP are not attempts at describing truth: they are suggested as useful models to try out, to act as if they were true, to be utilised, discarded or adapted in the field. Because essentially NLP was designed by people in the field for people in the field. It wasn’t created with the laboratory in mind.

I spoke a little bit about how clinical tests are conducted, and then went back to the example of Dr Erickson with the patient who had word salad. I asked them what specifically could be proved from that encounter? Erickson effectively had to learn a brand new grammar for English, which involved unlearning how he was used to speaking. I’d say his methods were the equivalent of learning a foreign language for the purpose of speaking to its sole native speaker, like learning French if there were only one other person who spoke it in the world. In other words Erickson’s approach was almost inconceivably imaginative, compassionate, resourceful and kind. And successful, let’s not forget. But what can be proved? How many other people have word salad? We have no idea whether this method, invented for one man, would work on another person. All we can really say is that Erickson and this particular patient worked together for the healing of the latter, and that what they did was successful. Erickson’s presuppositions and beliefs were hugely important in what was done, but ultimately there’s not a great deal you could say was provable about this case.

Then there was my own example of the work-phobia. I started by running a standard NLP-phobia technique, which was successful in the short term and enabled her to painlessly maintain a summer job. However a few months later she came back, and it was pretty clear that she needed something else. The fear was returning, specifically surrounding the end of her course and the idea of getting a full time job. Now that’s a scary thing for anyone, but in the context of the phobia I did a little more digging. With her in a light trance I got her to verbalise what she believed about work, and then track back in her experience to where those beliefs originally came from. The answer was immediate and formed the key to the whole pattern: both her parents were thoroughly stuck and institutionalised into jobs they hated and had given up on their dreams and freedom. It was a powerful learning experience. The girl was hugely free-spirited and thought that by going into employment a part of her would have to die, because that was the example her parents set (in fact her mother had literally said, “You may be carefree now, but just you wait ‘til you get a job. You’ll be in for a shock!”. She was terrified by what she perceived would be the end of her freedom and the loss of her dreams, that her very sense of self would be destroyed. Having found this out the work went onto another footing altogether, the phobia cure technique that originally seemed most appropriate was discarded in favour of totally improvised methods. She’s now finished her course with the aforementioned grades and is enthusiastically job hunting, something previously unheard of for her.

What does this illustrate? You can run a clinical trial on the truth of the Phobia cure technique and it will show that it doesn’t always work. This is because that technique might not be the best means of curing a phobia in individual cases. Ian McDermott uses an example of a woman who wanted to give up smoking. She started smoking in her late forties when her beloved best friend died of lung cancer. She smoked to make herself feel as though her friend were still around. McDermott used a bereavement technique followed by an addiction technique in order to help her give up. Clearly just using the addiction technique would not have been successful in this instance. Flexibility is the key.

Objection-wise things were pretty straightforward. One person asked whether NLP can hurt people, to which I gave the analogy of whether a spade can be used to hurt someone. Of course it can, but that’s at the will of the person using it, not an intrinsic property of the tool. The same person asked what’s to stop someone setting themselves up as a practitioner with practically no training, in effect what quality controls are in place to stop people who are dangerous or quacks. I couldn’t quite believe my response to that, it was totally unprepared and left my mouth before I’d had a chance to engage my filters: I asked her how successful the established safeguards were when it came to Harold Shipman.

Heh. I wish I’d had everyone’s faces on camera at that point, it was like I’d fired a gun in the room. In retrospect it was a cheap shot, but in my defence it wasn’t like I’d rehearsed it in case I needed it. It just kinda came out.

The basic upshot is that they’re happy to act as an advertising channel for me, provided I get a few things in place first (a snappily designed leaflet and some kind of NLP peer group to give at least some kind of accountable framework, both of which shouldn’t be too much hassle to sort). They don’t offer treatments so there’s no real platform to work with them directly, and in the one instant where they might use an NLP practitioner (dealing with the attitudes of disillusionment towards the Police) it was agreed that working for the Constabulary was a conflict of interest that would provoke too extreme a level of resistance. They also gave me a point of contact in the Priory group, as they seemed think that the Marchwood centre might want an NLP practitioner to add to the portfolio of therapies.

So lots of good results and things to follow up on.
 
 
grant
22:12 / 06.07.05
Wow -- that sounds great. Does this mean you'll be branching out from police work?

And are NLP practitioners not licensed as counselors where you live?

I don't entirely understand how licensure works for everything, but I *believe* in my home state, you have to have some kind of qualification or certification before doing anything involved with healing -- even massage therapy involves getting certified by the state.
 
 
Seth
00:06 / 10.07.05
There's no licensing for this kind of thing in the UK. I'm certified as a Master Practitioner by the company that trained me but that's about it.
 
 
Seth
00:11 / 10.07.05
Does this mean you'll be branching out from police work?

I'm not wholly sure yet. I currently work for free for anyone that asks, but I've never set up a business before so it may be a while before there's movement on this...
 
  
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