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Tom Coates
09:49 / 17.06.05
Threads without abstracts need fixing!
 
 
grant
14:24 / 20.06.05
Sorry -- on vacation from the 9th to today. Will tend to it as soon as I can.

If it's even still an issue.
 
 
Tom Coates
17:30 / 20.06.05
Yup. Still need checking...
 
 
Mazarine
02:36 / 01.07.05
Kay.
 
 
Mazarine
03:55 / 01.07.05
This has all already happened, hasn't it.
 
 
Saturn's nod
05:20 / 26.04.06
Also, 'what's wrong with Laboratory?'

Could it be better? How?

What's it really for?
 
 
Saturn's nod
05:38 / 26.04.06
FAQ on Laboratory, for easy reference.

I think the discussion of science by non-scientists is vital. One way I read the twentieth century, is as a terrible warning about what goes wrong when 'science' is given too much headway. Holocaust and nuclear weapons could both be seen as what happens when people listen to scientists too much without reminding us that there is a reality to human life outside the lab.

Potentially, the Laboratory forum can be really valuable as a place where non-scientists engage with science. But I guess that puts quite a burden on the (to my perception, few) of us who are professional scientists/medics etc to fill in the 'view from inside'. Maybe that isn't as necessary as I think?

Is anyone aware of anything in particular that's stopping people from reading and writing in Laboratory?

Myself, I find it a bit daunting. As I understand it science is a social process built up around techniques of exploration of consensus reality found to be robust over years or more. Definitions of 'proof' and structures for what would consist of convincing evidence are built up over years and decades, between peer scientists working in labs, publishing, talking to each other, and debating at conferences. Trying to have these conversations in depth with non-scientists can be exhausting! It can be like trying to convey six or more years of intense study (which basically involves learning a whole new technical languages) in words of one syllable, and in the process I sometimes become aware that I am distorting the 'evidence' through frustration, which is all wrong, to me. But at the same time however difficult I am convinced of the necessity of such conversations.

(If this is the wrong thread, please do let me know and I will start another one.)
 
 
Tom Coates
09:14 / 26.04.06
I'm surprised people have trouble with the concept of the Laboratory - my sense at the moment is that society is being changed more by the increasing speed of technological adaptation than by politics or conflicts. In fact political shifts, business shifts and conflicts are as both caused and resolved by technology now in a way that they never were before. In the meantime, medical science is extending in all kinds of new directions and bringing with it an enormous amount of extraordinary new ethical problems, from cloning through to stem cells. In the background, science is pushing extraordinary new models of the universe - and bringing us ever closer to the promises of nanotechnology. And around us, the ever increasing influence of the internet is changing human abilities to communicate, self-express, distribute information and the like. The Laboratory is for all of these things.

I mean, there's the Great Firewall of China and the involvement of various technology companies, there's stem cells, cloning, climate change, missions to comets, missions to mars, dropping fertility rates, alternative fuels, genetic science, genetically modified foods, second life, avatars, ubiquitous computing / everyware, mobile technology, the interconnected web of data, seti@home, distributed computing, what on earth Google is up to buying all the world's dark fibre, the return of airships, the safeness of nuclear technology. I mean seriously - just in terms of things on the frontpage of BBC News' science and health sections at the moment that could be the basis of discussions, we've got junk DNA, martian history, black holes, dinosaur behaviour, British astronauts, bird flu, ice ages, flatulence-free beans, rivers in antarctica, live organ donations, the ethics of having another child if you're predisposed towards giving birth to disabled kids, blood donors being refused.

I mean, seriously, people can't find something interesting in there to get excited about?

My sense of Barbelith is that it's supposed to be a place where people of massively different backgrounds and ideologies get together and discuss things that aren't necessarily in their native disciplines, that it can be hard and intimidating on occasion but that we're trying to create a hybridisation and cross-polonisation of musicians, artists, technologists, scientists, politicans, activists, theoreticians and the like. The Head Shop traditionally has been very active, although it's less powerful at the moment. The Switchboard is also pretty active and cool, and the Temple bluntly is full of nutters, but at least it's the best place full of that kind of nutter on the internet. We're quite balance on theory, current affairs and theology/spiritualism but we're sorely lacking in the discussions about one of the main motivators for change we've got at the moment and we need to fix that!
 
 
Isadore
07:06 / 27.04.06
I've halfassedly been considering starting threads on various new developments (a la Science and Spectrum) that fascinate me, but the general tendency of discussion in the Lab rather beats that idea down every time it pops up. Seriously, how many people here would actually be interested in a CMOS ring oscillator assembled entirely on a single carbon nanotube when there's the future of the human race to worry about and all?
 
 
Quantum
10:26 / 27.04.06
the Temple bluntly is full of nutters, Tom

and the Lab isn't? Like the Comics, most times I go to the lab I end up a bit dispirited and leave again. There's plenty to talk about (see Tom's list) but the standard of debate is the problem, not the subject matter. In the Temple we might be talking about multipersonal transdimensional voodoo solipsism and it's effect on Wiccan gender politics, but at least we'll be talking about it *well* and in an interesting way. Maybe the lack of traffic is a reason, maybe the scarcity of scientifically minded posters, but if I have a science question I'll usually ask a poster like Lurid or Evil Scientist or just wikipedia/google it.

Here's an example- my Placebo thread got three responders (thank you to them) then died. So, off to the Temple with me to discuss the same issue from another angle.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:12 / 27.04.06
I'll try and improve my attendance record. Lab was originally one of the reasons that I wanted to join in the first place.

Seriously, how many people here would actually be interested in a CMOS ring oscillator assembled entirely on a single carbon nanotube when there's the future of the human race to worry about and all?

Hello.

But if we're going to go that route...how many people would actually be interested in whether or not post-Infinite Crisis Superman is ever going to get his powers back when there's the future of the human race to worry about and all?

I'm going to try and up my game in Lab if I can, start some threads people might find interesting. Hopefully it won't be a half-assed attempt.
 
 
Quantum
12:27 / 27.04.06
I might devil's advocate those threads to stimulate some discussion. What's that about carbon nanotubes?
 
 
grant
18:49 / 22.03.07
Lab needs more mods.

(Lab, as always, needs better talky talky, but more mods more important.)

Current modlist: MJ-12, Lurid Archive, grant, fridgemagnet, cusm, but still Mordant Carnival, Nina and Der Falke

More mods make Lab faster!

(Are MJ-12 and cusm still around?)
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:07 / 22.03.07
Again, ring, hat - I glide through Lab, but would spend more time there is moding, if needed, etc.
 
 
Quantum
19:09 / 22.03.07
I'll volunteer.
 
 
Lama glama
19:47 / 22.03.07
I don't know if you're looking for established moderators, but as a frequent lab-reader and occasional poster, I'll put my name down too.
 
 
Feverfew
21:11 / 22.03.07
I'll happily volunteer - duties as a music mod are a little light at the moment.
 
 
jentacular dreams
11:04 / 23.03.07
I would like to be considered, but only actually joined six months ago (spent a long time as a non-member lurker), so I'm not sure if people feel I'd be suitable for consideration yet.
 
 
MJ-12
11:15 / 23.03.07
Yeah, still here
 
 
Saint Keggers
19:12 / 23.03.07
I'd be happy to try on the mod hat, but be warned my sciencetific knowledge consists of what ever I've gleaned from watching Nova, the Discovery Channel and having had subscriptions to Science Digest and Omni back in the late 80's early 90's.
 
 
grant
16:43 / 26.03.07
Could those who have nominated themselves do me the great favor of mentioning your native time zone? I figure at least four-mods-per-daylight-hours in the Americas, Europe, and the Antipodes would be best.

(If you're nocturnal in Brazil, it'd be the same as being diurnal in Australia.)

I'd also like to nominate Evil Scientist partially because, hey, actual scientist who does the thinky thinky in Policy, but mainly for the user name.
 
 
Lama glama
17:06 / 26.03.07
I'm GMT.
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:09 / 26.03.07
As am I.
 
 
Feverfew
19:47 / 26.03.07
I am also GMT.
 
 
Saint Keggers
23:24 / 26.03.07
Im Eastern Daylight Time. GMT -4hrs
 
 
jentacular dreams
08:47 / 27.03.07
Also GMT.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:40 / 28.03.07
I'd also like to nominate Evil Scientist partially because, hey, actual scientist who does the thinky thinky in Policy, but mainly for the user name.

I'm currently on a 30 day break from the site (just re-charging my Barbe-batteries, nowt serious), but I'd be interested certainly. I'd need a primer on the hows and whats of the process. But yeah, would be happy to lend a hand.
 
 
grant
13:56 / 28.03.07
Excellent.

Gosh, we're GMT-heavy. No GMT+11s? Or vampiric bat-people, snuffling through the shadowy hours?
 
 
Quantum
14:54 / 28.03.07
I'm sometimes nocturnal GMT. I don't think a rapid response team is strictly necessary in the Lab though, it doesn't move that swiftly.

Evil Scientist- here's moderating 101 for you:

10 RECEIVE MOD REQUEST
20 READ MOD REQUEST "I did a typo/html link broken/double post/misspelled dihydrochloride"
30 HIT 'Agree'
40 GOTO 10


It's pretty basic.
 
 
Feverfew
17:14 / 28.03.07
Theoretically, I'm GMT's shadowy hours, I should add.
 
 
grant
17:08 / 04.04.07
Et voila.

Now, go and moderate!
 
 
Benny the Ball
06:30 / 05.04.07
how do the requests show up? Do they appear on the forum page or on each thread?
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:59 / 05.04.07
By the Power of Coates!

I AM MODERATOR!

Now to effortlessly abuse my privilages.

Alternatively...to work!
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:09 / 05.04.07
I didnt know we were allowed to brag about the abuses of power we were sure to do.

All these years and I finally get to wear the mod hat.
 
 
grant
15:22 / 05.04.07
how do the requests show up? Do they appear on the forum page or on each thread?

Nope -- up top, next to "You have n old/new messages."
 
  

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