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And what's with shadow people?

 
 
Mister Snee
04:49 / 15.10.01
Okay...

http://www.artbell.com/shadows3.html

I've found certain mystical phenomena and conspiracy theories to be thoroughly incomprehensible before (chemtrails? what's with chemtrails?), but what on earth IS this? This seems a little bit vague, even for me.

Shadow people. What are they? What do they mean? What do they do? Who knows, but here's a drawing of one I saw as a kid!

I don't get it.

Anyone?
 
 
Seven Suns
06:31 / 15.10.01
I have a little Shadow buddy.. I call him Joe...
ah..er....
Just kidding..

I think I've seem stuff like this sometimes in a dark room at night... and:

"For instance, instead of casting any kind of glow, the figure was visible in a completely black room because it was darker than black"
Yeah.. that sounds familiar..
 
 
Mister Snee
07:13 / 15.10.01
Well, make it stop. These pages are scary and now I don't want to go out through the hall to the bathroom. I'll have to stay up until morning now.
 
 
Mister Snee
07:14 / 15.10.01
'cuz I have to urinate too badly to sleep, y'see.

o_O
 
 
Mister Snee
07:16 / 15.10.01
Um, I didn't mean to rot this thread in the worst possible way.
Seriously, does anyone have any thoughts about all this rot? It seems too generically "scary" to have anything to it.
 
 
Mister Snee
07:18 / 15.10.01
"They were full of mischief, but evil. "

 
 
De Selby
07:50 / 15.10.01
it seems like all the stuff they couldn't categorise elsewhere. I mean.... theres a shadow cat and plant in there....

some of the pictures aren't even of "shadow like" entities. They're brightly coloured, or just not dark.

picture me skeptical.
 
 
Mister Snee
08:29 / 15.10.01
Indeed, there doesn't really seem to be any set of common features from one account to another. I can't quite understand why these have their own section in the "Gallery".

But then, we're talking about a website that puts photos with cigarette smoke in the upper corner under a section called "Ghost Photos".

Just think, when we took this photo I didn't think anything of it, as a friend was smoking right next to the photographer at the time, but in retrospect it's a clear image of a ghost, dammit. I should send it to Art Bell and see if he'll put it up.

I don't know why I'm feeling so much like the Happy Skeptic tonight. 's not like me.

Aw well...

[ 15-10-2001: Message edited by: Mister Snee ]
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
12:47 / 15.10.01


I'm pretty open minded usually, but this seems just a little bit silly, doesn't it?
quote:
I am a police officer and I have seen this image many at violent death scenes. It has made my hair stand up many a time.

Is this scary because it's a semi-reliable witness, or is this scary because this guy's in a position of power and responsibility?
 
 
De Selby
14:34 / 15.10.01
and whats that thing in the top left hand corner supposed to be?

is that the "artists" rendition of the moon?

or

um

a shadow banana?

its just silly.
 
 
Lionheart
15:57 / 15.10.01
Actually Art Bell puts up almost every picture he gets onto his website without judging each one. Some of them are obvious Photoshop fakes while others are more interesting.

Now about the shadow people.

Basically, during an "open lines" show on Art Bell Coast To Coast (open lines mean open phone lines, i.e. the show's accepting phone calls from listeners) a caller came in and reported seeing shadowy beings or maybe he saw one shadowy being. I don't know because I haven't listened to that specific show. I've only heard the one right after it. Well, here's the deal, "shadow people" are beings resembling shadows. They are usually seen in through periferal vision (seeing things from the side of your eye.) Now one can dismiss this as the human mind interpreting the blind spots on the side of the eye as some sort of creature and that possibility was mentioned on the show.. But here's the interesting part. The shadow people, as it turned out, could also be seen straight one. In your normal field of vision. you can blink all you want but the moving silhoettes where still there.

Here's why this became such a big deal/ After the show eneded Art Bell got 6000 messages from people who claimed to have seen shadow people. And almost every day for the next 2 weeks, Art has been getting around 1-2,000 messages from people who had witnessed the so-called "shadow people".

Here's what arose from the accounts. The "shadow people" aren't one singular phenomena. In fact there had been different kinds of shadow people who were reported through history. There are "shadow people" who are psychic vampires, and ghosts and other categories of shadow people.

A few theories were proposed. A few which I remember are the following...

Theory A.) They are creatures with a lower resonance frequency. Which might mean that they are from another dimension/universe or exist in another geometric dimension and "leak" over unto this one.

Theory B.) They had always been here and have been, at times, more clearer. They are creatures reported from all over the world and are creatures which are not usually seen in the West. Why? Because of the Western culture's insistance that the so-called "waking" state of mind is the most supreme state of mind. There's no scientific evidence to back up the idea that the "waking" state is the superior state of mind. The theory goes that since the human mind/awareness can take in more sensory information in other states of mind then one can see things that are present but not seen in the "ordinary" state of mind. They are ignored by the mind in the ordinary state of mind.

Theory B. is a very interesting theory because of the whole idea of the mind and perception. Basically you might think "If I don't see something, wouldn't I feel it? Hear it? Taste it?". No, in some situations you wouldn't. For example, a person can be hypnotized not to see a chair that's in front of him/her. When asked to walk in a straight line this person would walk forward, and then around the chair but in his mind he would be walking in a straight line. He would only notice that he's not walking in a straight line if his attention was drawn to this. If it was pointed out to him or if he, by some accident, noticed that he was doing what he's doing. To notice this would probably require a great deal of focussing and concentration on the hypnotized subjects part to stop the hypnotic suggestion and actually become aware of the chair.

Another interesting phenomenom which deals with seeing without percieving is "blindsight".

I'm now quoting from "Alternative Realities" by Leonard George, Ph.D.

"Individuals who sustain damage to the brain region involved in the visual sense often lose the ability to see certain features or areas in their field of vision. In some cases, although unaware of sensing anything in the blinded part of the field, they are able to respond to information in that area. For instance, a person may deny being able to see an array of dots on paper presented to him or her; but when asked to guess how many dots there are, the person will repeatedly guess the correct number. This phenomenon is called blindsight."

So, this basically presents the same casy as the hypnosis case except it does not use hypnosis but actual physical structures of the brain. The inability to see certain aspects of reality, and I quote myself from my head, "damage or the absess of development of the brain which leads one to not percieve certain aspects of reality and yet permits unconcious reaction to those very same aspects."

But wouldn't a thinking living being (in the case of shadow people) go after me or something? Wouldn't I feel, at least, the effects of it on me?

Not necessarily. When presented with facts that due not fit a person's reality tunnel, the subconcious can create an elaborate phantasy (I like spelling fantasy with a "ph") to fit the facts. In fact your mind is setting up an elaborate phantasy world right now as it recieves information from your physical senses which may or not be real.
 
 
Seven Suns
16:19 / 15.10.01
O man. c'mon
http://www.artbell.com/images/shadow06.jpg

thas's Popeye's magic cat!

Ed-

[ 15-10-2001: Message edited by: Ed Niz ]
 
 
Mordant Carnival
16:45 / 15.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Ed Niz:
O man. c'mon

thas's Popeye's magic cat!


It is and all! Hah, hah, hah! It's Eugene the Jeep! ROTFLMAO!
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:17 / 15.10.01
And Lionheart: yes, you certainly may have a point. Vision is a very complex phenomenon. Visual information is not just processed by one part of the brain- a number of areas are involved.
To me, some of these pictures look like the phantom input that occurs in most people when they stare at nothing- like you might if you were in a dark room. If the brain is not reciving enought visual stimulation it tends to throw up random stuff, blobs and shapes. To experience this, try turning the lights off and looking at a blank wall for a while. I guarantee at least one or two images that look a lot like "shadow people".

But probably not Eugene the Jeep.

[ 15-10-2001: Message edited by: Mordant Carnival ]
 
 
Lionheart
20:44 / 15.10.01
Yes, but do the images move intelligently?

Oh, and some of the pictures on Art Bell's site aren't photos but drawings which describe what a person saw. I also have a ghost cat. He's basically a Tom Cat in space ghost's costume. He eats ALL the cheese.
 
 
Mister Snee
02:50 / 16.10.01


Shadow person I saw in a dark room.
 
 
Logos
15:25 / 16.10.01
Either that, or a negative of my photo of a polar bear in a snowstorm.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
15:38 / 16.10.01
...and here's how come the "shadow cat" could disappear into nothingness:
http://members.tripod.com/HoboJeepers/eugene.htm

[ 16-10-2001: Message edited by: Mordant Carnival ]
 
  
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