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Darumesten's second variety

08:40 / 10.06.05

Just wanted to share this link : The American Taliban

just crazy .. any opinions ?

09:32 / 10.06.05

too many...
i'm still reading the last few and reeling a little.
it's pretty hard to get inside the mind of someone who can honestly interpret the american ideals as many of these folks do.

more frightening is of course the influence and support many of these people have.

09:50 / 10.06.05

Warning: Link Not Work Safe

ten from the bottom is rick 'santorum' santorum...

googling for him was illuminating.

09:59 / 10.06.05

I think a NSFW on that link might be appropriate, Toksik...

That first site make Bush look moderate.

10:25 / 10.06.05

sure, if you feel it's needed.

Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER

10:54 / 10.06.05

I honestly don't understand how these people can make these statements. I understand that they're all taken out of context, and I'm not talking about the various extremist religious leaders featured there, but more the actual elected (or not, as the case may be) officials. They seem to demonstrate a complete lack of any kind of compassion for human beings (or at least a massive reduction in the scope of that compassion). Furthermore, it's interesting (although of course there's no American Right Official Party line) that while several of these people compare various groups to Nazis (Michael Savage and gay people, for example), others recommend the execution or "hunting down" of their opponents "when we finally get in power".

alejandrodelloco

12:30 / 10.06.05

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What makes them so sickeningly fascinating, though?

14:24 / 10.06.05

Fucking hell that's some evil shit. Jesus would be spining in his grave if he wasn't in Scandinavia teaching kung fu to vikings.

All Acting Regiment

16:30 / 10.06.05

Bailey Smith says: "With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

Mr Smith: for an alternative view, see "David and Goliath", "Walls of Jericho", etc.

Or just fuck off.

18:06 / 10.06.05

Some of those comments appear to be taken out of context and there are no citations for any of the statements.

18:38 / 10.06.05

Quiet down there! Our Two Minutes of Hate aren't over yet!

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

19:46 / 10.06.05

Emmanuel Goldstein must DIE!

And since he's a Jew, God won't hear his prayers.

::Sighs:: I particularly liked the comment that people lobbying for gay rights are the equivilant to a fleeing Hebrew during the Exodus jumping into the Red Sea to save a drowning charioteer. Becuase...y'know...mercy having no place in Christianity.

There are times I'm glad I'm not in America. And times that I'm scared because their border is only a few hours away.

Darumesten's second variety

19:57 / 10.06.05

Maybe some of them are taken out of context, but I think nearly 90% of them are quite straight, like :

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."

or

"We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

and my favourite from Bush Sr. , which I had already heard in a documentary :

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots"

This is America, land of the free ..

Darumesten's second variety

20:02 / 10.06.05

I also want to express my respect to the original United States ideal born in the Declaration of Independence, which was quite revolutionary in the time .. my favourite part maybe is :

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. "

How has the USA became what it is now ( in my opinion, very distant from this original ideal )

All Acting Regiment

20:03 / 10.06.05

Slim, I can see what you're saying, but this thread doesn't seem to be a serious-type discussion. Why not start an in-depth thread on one of the quotes in Headshop, and then Barbelith'll get deeper into it.

Darumesten's second variety

20:10 / 10.06.05

Yep, totally agree ..

22:09 / 10.06.05

Really? Start that in-depth thread right here and move this to the Conversation, I'd have thought.

alejandrodelloco

23:12 / 10.06.05

Yeah. The takeover of the hard right is hardly *news*...

*vomits*

23:48 / 10.06.05

What is it about America that breeds theese sadistic (albeit hilarious) lunatics? Is there anyone like this in the UK or Australia?

02:27 / 11.06.05

Well, Europe had front row seats for two world wars, I'd imagine that such circumstances would cull the "violent mouthy idiot" population quite substantially.

Also mentioned in another thread was the fact that minorities, women, gays, whathaveyou started to get "uppity" around the same time that it became impossible to support a family on a blue collar salary. Sooo, the story became spun that the wolf was at the door, and the Afro-Gyno-Sodomites were holding Fluffy's leash.

As for "Feminism helping Ugly women"... Well, it could be argued that being in a Rock band has helped a LOT of ugly guys get laid.

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

06:52 / 11.06.05

I think the US needs to raise its new guards against despotism.

...except the people don't really seem to realize how despotic their government is slowly becoming.

So much for the Declaration saving America.

All Acting Regiment

11:15 / 11.06.05

There's a crack in the liberty bell.

06:20 / 12.06.05

"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

-Ann Coulter

Timothy McViegh was a Muslim?

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

06:43 / 12.06.05

This stuff is truly horrifying. According to the general principle of assuming that I could be wrong, and that one should always try to understand opposing points of view I spend a considerable amount of time trying to get into these people’s headspace, trying to work out where on earth they are coming from – but I have to say they make that bloody close to impossible. For me however hard I try I can never even get close to perceiving these people as anything other than as totally alien and inhuman as they seem to think of the groups they despise as being, and somehow for me that is in many ways the most disturbing part of it. If I think of them the same way they think of Gays, feminists and in some cases any non Christians, does that mean in some twisted way I’ve got something in common with these awful, awful people?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

10:24 / 12.06.05

Liger- it also puts Northern Ireland into a whole new light...

Essential Dazzler

10:34 / 12.06.05

Hmm. Can't imagine a context that would make many of these acceptable, unless they were all asked to do an impression of a socially backward, hateful facist.

alejandrodelloco

12:10 / 12.06.05

I could see someone saying "There are people out there saying 'we should kill all of the gays and dance in their hollowed out corpses'" and someone takes that last bit out of context.

Thing is, the people on that site are the ones who say "we should kill all of the gays". They have a, how do you say it, track record.

All Acting Regiment

12:47 / 12.06.05

It's good that it gets reported, even if it is only on this website. I wouldn't be happy if they were hiding these opinions, if you see what I mean- at least we know what they're really like. Not that it's a pretty sight.

nyarlathotep's shoe horn

19:54 / 12.06.05

having trouble getting into the minds of the aforequoted American Taliban?

It's easy. Group certain people and ideas together. Other (v.t.) each and every one of them. Push them as far away from yourself, disassociating yourself from any connection and continue in extremis.

pretty soon, you'll have your own selection of quotable quotes, defying reason, will, pragmatism and compassion.

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pablo

09:52 / 13.06.05

Is Tenix's name Pablo? I'd never have guessed.

Also, could you please attempt to engage with a discussion rather than swooping in, dropping some %wisdom%, and fucking off? I dunno, just an idea.

All Acting Regiment

10:06 / 13.06.05

...and fucking off? I dunno, just an idea.

I've got a feeling this might lead to offence being caused and arguments started, and I'm just going to say that I hope it doesn't. Let's just stop it right now before it escalates.

11:08 / 13.06.05

Okay, I was being a little aggressive, but I think it's an accurate, if somewhat confrontational, description.

The resistable rise of Reidcourchie

13:42 / 13.06.05

Originally poste by Malle

"Well, Europe had front row seats for two world wars, I'd imagine that such circumstances would cull the "violent mouthy idiot" population quite substantially."

Yeah we don't just talk about it we do it.

The thing is it is the freedom of American ideals (different from reality) that in theory allows people to be this woefully ignorant. Now I don't live in America so a sight like that to me seems to be beyond parody. How dangerous are these people...er the ones that aren't the president of the united states (in elected office) I mean, how influential and powerful are they? Can you just get along with your satanic gayery and ignore them? Just to make it clear I'm not suggesting that they should be ignored just wondering whether they are the next great threat to liberty or merely moronic fruitloops with their own special interest groups.

Something else I've been wondering and I apologise if this is thread rot but with tcertain civil right being curtailed according to the constitution could it be argued that Americans would be within their rights to overthrow the administration? Again I am asking because I don't understand the constitution not because I'm suggesting they should do it.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

19:54 / 13.06.05

Hmm. Can't imagine a context that would make many of these acceptable, unless they were all asked to do an impression of a socially backward, hateful facist.

Many of these are not acceptable. But some are just stupidly phrased common ideas.

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society" could be saying (in a strange, offensive way), that feminism was established to give equal rights to all women, regardless of their beauty. It's not an attractive truth, but having worked in a place where being attractive (especially if one is a woman) will get you taken more seriously than if you were...um...otherwise, then this is an adequate (but still sort of offensive) description of how feminism could help women.

Maybe. I dunno. Don't bite my head off or nuthin'.

20:45 / 13.06.05

Uh, no, this is Rush Limbaugh. He means that feminists are butt-ugly and bitter about it.

Redicourchie: These people are fringe, but due to the particular electoral tactics of the Republican party, which have relied on support from the Christian Right, their views are considerably more influential than might otherwise be expected. "Grassroots support" has been used to a great degree, "grassroots" meaning well-organised pressure groups, and now these people want their payback. The Republicans have been fairly indiscriminate in who they use and this, in my opinion, is going to come back and bite them in the ass fairly shortly. The technocratic, rationalist wing of the party just will not agree with the reactionary, conservative, religious element. The high-up neo-cons are much closer to the former than the latter intellectually speaking - it's not like they care about minority groups, but they don't have anything invested in discriminating against them, and they are generally quit keen on science and rationalism, unsurprising when you consider their intellectual heritage. The way I like to look at it is - do you really think Cheney cares whether his daughter is gay?

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