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Archie Comics

 
 
semioticrobotic
13:23 / 08.06.05
Archie comics (not necessarily Archie Comics, the company) have been around for a long, long time. What keeps them afloat? Does anyone read them? If so, why?

When I see these on stands, I am often struck into wonderment by the cultural niche they seem to have carved -- but it's something I'm afraid I don't quite understand.

What has kept Archie going?
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:29 / 08.06.05
A mate of mine has a subscription to Arche for art reference. He claims that the simplicity of the art seems to give an immediate 'aha' recognition to the reader. The fact that they've got this stranglehold on the supermarket checkout line is bizarre to me. They seem to function like a time capsule, but who is buying them?? Heaven knows.

I know of one person who collected them... and I hate him so I can't ask him to comment.

I mean, I could never read an Archie story beyond the one in What The!? where Archie's shown as a fat loser adult with a crazy family and a cheating wife. But that's me, obviously.
 
 
semioticrobotic
16:35 / 08.06.05
Mister Six: The fact that they've got this stranglehold on the supermarket checkout line is bizarre to me. They seem to function like a time capsule, but who is buying them?? Heaven knows.

This is precisely the same thing that happens to me as I'm waiting to pay for my boxes of pierogies -- I look at these things and I wonder exactly how they've manged to survive all these years. Someone is buying them, of course, and for a good reason, I'm sure.

But who? And for what?
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
18:47 / 08.06.05
Perhaps the Shonen Jump market kids and the Archie market retirees duke it out by the dumpsters on weekday afternoons?
 
 
matsya
23:34 / 08.06.05
Did you know that Dan DeCarlo started out as a "ribald" titty-joke gag cartoonist before he started working on Archie? Every Archie artist since has been copying his lines.

I was always a Betty guy myself. And Super-Teen? Don't get me started...

m.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:20 / 09.06.05
would be interesting to see sales figures, they must be online somewhere...how the Archie comics compare to, say, X-Men comics or Batman/Superman... who still buys these...?? Are they really staying alive purely as things parents buy their kids now and then for long car rides, as little treats, etc...?
 
 
doyoufeelloved
19:33 / 09.06.05
The fact that they've got this stranglehold on the supermarket checkout line is bizarre to me.

I just recently saw somebody explaining in some piece somewhere why this was the case, and it was fascinating, and now I don't know where the hell I read it. To Google!
 
 
CameronStewart
20:00 / 09.06.05
Dan DeCarlo - widely accepted as the "definitive" Archie artist - is one of my very favourite cartoonists. Cute girls, lovely smooth clean inking, great character acting.

I have an original page from Betty and Veronica Summer Fun '63 framed on my living room wall.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:00 / 09.06.05
What has kept Archie going ?

The sexual tension, I guess. If Archie ever got to 'do' both Betty and Veronica at the same time, it would be as much of a category error as the one the producers of Moonlighting made, towards the end. On the one hand, Archie *has* to choose, but on the other, why should he ? Why can't he just slip the pair of them a couple of roofies and party 'til dawn, leering like the insane sexual monster that you, as a reader, know, very well, lurks beneath the veneer of the letter sweater ?

It'll never happen of course, or at least not officially, hence the enduring appeal of this otherwise inexplicably popular franchise.
 
 
matsya
23:02 / 09.06.05
If it's roofies and sexual shenanigans for the Archie gang you're after, Uncle, might I direct you to Cherry Poptart, Uncle Alex?

This is not work safe, by the way.

m.
 
 
semioticrobotic
01:20 / 10.06.05
Uncle Alex: ...hence the enduring appeal of this otherwise inexplicably popular franchise.

But of course. Why didn't I see that before!

I'm just happy to see I'm not the first person whose wondered about this comic. I looked online for some answers, but found nothing.
 
 
Ray Fawkes
04:33 / 10.06.05
Or maybe it's successful because it's colorful, filled with jokey, inoffensive stories that are appealing to kids, illustrated in a fun style, relatively cheap and available just about everywhere.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
05:38 / 10.06.05
Threadrot:

According to Hooper from Chasing Amy we know EXACTLY why Archie hasn't chosen either Betty or Veronica yet...

End threadrot
 
 
semioticrobotic
11:33 / 10.06.05
Could be, Ray, but are kids buying the comics? Are parents buying the comics for kids? Do kids buy them with their own hard-earned money? These are just questions that stem from your thoughts, as I'm still trying to iron this out.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:33 / 10.06.05
You seem to be almost...resentful that Archie is popular, Bryan. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I get the feeling from your posts that because you don't like Archie, you're irritated that it still sells. Apologies if I'm misreading.

I'd imagine Archie sells to both kids and parents(on behalf of their kids) alike. And Ray is right on the money when he explains its endurance - cheap, ubiquitous, simple, appealing.
 
 
semioticrobotic
13:03 / 10.06.05
Cameron: You seem to be almost...resentful that Archie is popular, Bryan. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I get the feeling from your posts that because you don't like Archie, you're irritated that it still sells. Apologies if I'm misreading.

I can see how that'd come across, Cameron, but I assure you it's awe that made me begin the thread and keep posting, not resentment. I haven't actually read too much Archie (and if I had, perhaps I wouldn't be so stupified by its popularity; who knows), but I'm interested in it nonetheless.

It seems Archie resonates with something deep-seated and cultural -- something that helps it endure. I'm trying to pin that down (and this thread is helping).
 
 
sleazenation
13:48 / 10.06.05
I wouldn't underestimate the role the twin forces of its ubiquity and its inoffensiveness have played in archie's lasting appeal. Not even the most raving fundamentalist Christian parent could object to nice guy Archie.
 
 
Slim
14:00 / 10.06.05
Or maybe it's successful because it's colorful, filled with jokey, inoffensive stories that are appealing to kids, illustrated in a fun style, relatively cheap and available just about everywhere.

I think this is a good explanation for it. I remember reading my dad's old Archie comics as a kid and I loved them. The whole crew, even Reggie, is so goddam loveable. And for its time I think Archie was fairly imaginative.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:08 / 10.06.05
Archie still sells because they have done things other comic books companies don't do:

-paid to be placed in front of general consumers
-changed formats to be price competative (with their digests)
-remained an impulse buy
-given their books covers that are appealing and eye catching to the general public
-remembered what their main appeal is and stayed true to it


Archie has found a business model that works, and has kept up with keeping their product in front of consumers. Even their "off brand" stuff like "Sonic" sells better than Marvel and DC outside of comic shops. I have also been impressed that they are trying new art styyles on some of their long running books to keep up with the times.

As for content...they have remained cleanly drawn, with simple stories that appeal to younger readers, and remain light enough that parents don't object to buying them for younger readers. It's a HUGE untapped market that Marvel and DC have no clue in the world on how to capture any more.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:14 / 10.06.05
Not even the most raving fundamentalist Christian parent could object to nice guy Archie.

As a kid, when I said I liked comic books, a LOT of the more devout Christians who knew my parents gave me the Archie "Christian" comics that were sold through churches in the 70's. They were exactly the same as an average Archie comic, but always ended with some inoffensive little thing about how Jesus was the way to go. I think they kept printing them until the 80's, IIRC.
 
 
YouKnowForKids
17:15 / 10.06.05
Solitaire Rose, a couple of the Christian Archie comics you're referring to can be found at this collection of Spire Christian Comics, as well as such classics as "Hansi: The Girl Who Loved the Swastika" and "Hal Lindsey's There's a New World Coming."
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
19:21 / 10.06.05
Hmm. Ray does have a point.

I think it really does have something to do with impulse purchases. Archie's also rooted deeply into...well almost into the collective unconscious. A kid's needs something to calm them down, its easier, and really healthier, to hand them something colourful and funny like Archie as opposed to giving them a candy bar. I think, in response to Bryan, that its more the parents buying them for their kids. The kids are more liable to go out and buy chocolate and Yugioh. Maybe 10, 15 years ago...sure. BUt I don't really think that kids are buying much Archie these days.

I know one guy who's little brother had a HUGE Archie collection. Never could understand why, but he seemed to enjoy them. Re-read them a lot.
 
 
rising and revolving
20:18 / 10.06.05
Regarding the Cherry Poptart connection - my ex, who worked in a comic store, reported on good authority that the same people who bought Archie bought Cherry - and many other less savory adult comix.

So there you go.
 
 
+#'s, - names
01:54 / 08.08.07
man, you know you got too high before going to the grocery store when you come home with this...


Your like yo, it's like Star Trek, Mirror, Mirror yeah!
 
 
This Sunday
02:08 / 08.08.07
I go through periods where Archie provides a lot of what I want in a read. Short, simple, riding on sentimentality and easy-to-fix crises of love, money, and getting your next hamburger. Much of the same things a lot of the yaoi/yuri market rides on, actually, with less explicit sexuality (sort of, I mean, Betty, Veronica, and Jughead are all terminally cute for some quick lines and spotty coloring) and no sudden bloodplay. The Dan DeCarlo stuff's the best, surely, and he absolutely had to know what he was doing and writing despite some purists insistence that it was all innocent and being misinterpretted, but even more recent stories are often just cute enough to warrant the cheap price of the digests. They're very gushy comics.

Gushy, simple emo cute, and fun to read with someone, side by side, which is hard to say for, oh, Dark Knight Returns or Spawn back issues.

And, yes, I think being very high, stone drunk, or or for other reasons in an exceptionally giddy mood is where most supermarket Archie purchases probably come from. And for kids when somebody doesn't know what to get them; presents for third cousin's kid's birthday.
 
 
Jamie
15:32 / 08.08.07
In light of the above comments about how artists have been copying the original Archie artist for years, and about how Archie has not unnecessarily reinvented itself over the years, has anyone seen the "new look" Archie comics? They're still putting out the traditional Archie titles, but there is also a "modern" and thoroughly re-drawn Archie that looks, well, like it will be as fondly remembered as Crystal Clear Pepsi.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:45 / 08.08.07
Gaah! The most horrible thing about new-look Archie, after a bit of Googling, is that the person responsible seems to be Steven Butler, who defined a lot of my teen years by being the definitive artist for Mike Baron's Badger comics.

Which I was about to bring up in the Nexus thread.

So Steven Butler is the bridgepoint between Nexus and Archie in a weird way.
 
  
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