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Mistoffelees
09:02 / 02.04.06
What are you talking about, Jack? Do you already have #27 and thereby spoiled it for us?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:01 / 02.04.06
Fuck's sake, shit sorry, I'm horrible with issue numbers and figured since it was a few days after wednesday that's what you guys were talking about. Thankfully my review skills are shit, and I talk alot of gibberish, so hopefully I didn't spoil too much, I'm gonna have my post modified. Sorry.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
10:45 / 02.04.06
I've been reading since issue #1. I bought the first two trades, then singles and really liked it. I actually love the soap opera aspect of the story, but with issue 26 I decided to stop buying singles and wait for the trade. I downloaded issue 27 and was relieved that I'd made the right choice and in fact have decided not even to wait for the trade. I feel like TWD has been slowly grinding to a halt since about #21 and a title I once found essential reading has, instead, become more than a little boring. It's as if Kirkman feels a need to let every single conversation play out like it would in real life without wringing drama or intensity out of it and the result is a very meandering book that builds up tension only to fritter it away. In #27 there are three separate conversations about how worried the people inside the prison are about Rick, Glen and Michonne. Three. And the big insight we get? They're all worried.

I just feel like this book has lost all of its art, for lack of a better word. It's like a movie where the director just lets the cameras run and refuses to edit or use a script. I feel like it's become more fan fiction than what it used to be, which was a really good comic book. As if Kirkman is saying, "You know how cool it would be if zombies took over the earth. Here's what would happen!" Rather than using that scenario to develop a story.

It sounds harsh, but having spent a lot of money on the series I figure I'm allowed to be a little harsh about it. I'll still read the upcoming issues, but I'll be downloading them. I'm not rich, and this comic has lost my support after 26 issues.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:23 / 02.04.06
Let´s hope, Kirkman gets the vibe to pick up the quality again ("fanfiction", yes, now that you mention it, it´s going down that road).

I´ll look into his letters page to see, if it´s all just praise or if there are similar criticisms like we voiced here. And of course, what Kirkman has to say about that.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
15:56 / 02.04.06
In this months letter column there's the usual mix of praise with one letter asking what would happen if a person bit a zombie, and another asking could you distract a zombie by shitting near it so it stoops to investigate the warm organic matter.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
21:39 / 02.04.06
I always hate to speculate about writers since, at the end of the day, we never know (artists, too, for that matter). But it seems like Kirkman may be spread a little thin these days. I enjoyed TWD for a long time (two years) and I think INVINCIBLE is great, the kind of Silver Age positivism that Grant Morrison always talks about only without all the theorizing. But nowadays I feel about him the way I feel about Bendis: work less, and work better. I just read that Illuminati issue of New Avengers and really didn't like it. It just seemed so blah.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
02:47 / 09.06.06
Newest issue is out and things are about to get nasty. The issues come out so far apart that I never remember the character's names. Spoiler below









Main character dude gets his hand cut off by camp leader. New ninja woman bites off camp leader's ear. Camp leader is about to rape new ninja woman, and although the rape hasn't happened yet, the rape setup was really disturbing. Camp leader isn't going to feed the group to the zombies, he knows they have a base somewhere and he wants to find it.
 
 
Switchblade Honey
08:27 / 09.06.06
I'd heard good things about Walking Dead, but how could anyone open a zombie story with a bloke waking up from a coma in hospital? It didn't make sense when 28 Days Later nicked it from Day Of The Triffids (OK, the bloke in that was blind, not comatose).

Judging by earlier comments, it gets better after the opening, but that bit really put me off.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
02:02 / 12.06.06
Well the opening is really just a mcguffin allowing the main character to explore the changed world at the same time as the reader, to allow us to skip the early stages of the outbreak and head straight into the changed world. It's a story telling tool and although unrealistic...well it's a zombie comic. If we're going to quibble about the effects of coma on the victims body we're compaining about a speck of dirt in someone elses eye and ignoring the log in our own. Or something.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:34 / 12.06.06
Give a try Switchblade, you really won't regret it.
 
 
Switchblade Honey
15:00 / 12.06.06
I'm going to be really pedantic now.

No-one seems to know what a "McGuffin" actually is lately - I'm not sure if misusing the word is endemic to Barbelith or if it has become a general bit of "Internet English as she is spoken".

A McGuffin is an arbitrary objective that motivates the action of a story. The screenwriter John August calls it "essentially something that the entire story is built around and yet has no real relevance". The Maltese Falcon, the glowing suitcase in Pulp Fiction, the silver case in Ronin - these are McGuffins.

Having your character wake up from a coma is a "storytelling device", not a McGuffin. And it's not the medical implausibility of it that bothers me, it's that it seems so hackneyed, especially for a disaster story. Why not give him amnesia while you're at it?

If "McGuffin" comes to mean something like "a plot device or story element" it'll be especially annoying because we already have a word that has come to mean the same thing through misuse: "trope", which used to mean something technical to do with poetry.

Hitchcock must be spinning in his grave.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:05 / 12.06.06
He's not, actually, but he might begin to do so AT ANY MOMENT...
 
 
DavidXBrunt
18:51 / 12.06.06
Well yeah, I misued the word. As I understand it a McGuffin is something that drives a story, is essential to the story but if doesn't actually exist in the real world. Accept it because it drives the story and move on. The Letters of Transit in Casablanca spring to mind.

As such I thought it was appropriate to use in that context. A person couldn't be in a coma for a month, especially unlooked after, and just get up and walk away. Muscle wastage, bed sores, and so on. However for the sake of the story you don't question it.

A quick google search shows I was mistaken. My bad. Now what do yuo think of the comic?
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:49 / 13.06.06
Why not give him amnesia while you're at it?

In this case? Because then the book would have stagnated from Issue 1 as a man with no storyline runs about a hospital being chased by the undead (he'd stop every now and then to fall to his knees and shout "WHO AM I?" I assume).

Seriously, the coma thing is out of the way by the third or forth page and then you're into a damn good survival horror story which just gets grimmer and grimmer as it goes along.

Reading it is my version of watching Eastenders, constant woe and strife. Only with added zombies.

(Y'know, looking at my first paragraph effectively summarises what one of my characters was doing in Urban Dead all of last week).
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:54 / 13.06.06
As such I thought it was appropriate to use in that context. A person couldn't be in a coma for a month, especially unlooked after, and just get up and walk away. Muscle wastage, bed sores, and so on. However for the sake of the story you don't question it.

Although, it should be noted that he was actually being looked after for the majority of time he was in the coma. Which is why his family leaves him there. The hospital is over-run at some point after they leave. Although there is no evidence to confirm or deny it I have always assumed that he's been on his own for a few days at most before he wakes up.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
15:55 / 13.06.06
Even if that were the case he'd be in no state to just up and start wandering.
 
 
black mask
22:26 / 28.09.06
Was anyone else waiting for the TPB today?

I got issue 26 or 27 in a FP grab-bag and couldn't resist reading it, and spoiled the purity of my usual discipline of waiting to read and reread these stories in their TPB arcs.

Walking Dead 5 has definitely taken a senstaionalist turn, but I don't know if it's any the worse for that. I was completely buzzing after reading the new collection and can't wait for TPB 6.

I like how Kirkman has so far never fallen back on the zombie background to generate tension, it's always been about emotion and human frailty.

Any other opinions?
 
 
petunia
19:14 / 05.10.06
I'm playing catch-up on this comic and am up to issue 23 at the moment. I gotta say it's been a sweet ride so far. I like the way the zombie apocalypse is used as a way to explore the human, living side of things, rather than as an excuse to show people getting ripped apart in scary gruesome ways (and yet, it's that too! Eeew! grosscool!).

I think the glimpses of impending doom that were shown leading up to Julie and Chris's 'event' have, for me, been the most creepy so far - you see what is coming from a mile off, but you still give yourself the silly hope that it might go otherwise.

Also loving the ease with which Kirkman kills off his main characters.

But i got a couple of issues with it too: There's an increasing macho air to the whole thing which i'm starting to find distateful. I'm not quite sure whether Kirkman valourises or dislikes this element, or secretly valourises it but attempts to downplay it, but it's getting a bit.. icky for me.

Things like the justifications given for the women playing pretty normative secondary/support roles in the story - we see a small discussion soon after Rick arrives at the first camp among the women about 'why do we always do the washing?' ('well men would be crap at it and i sure can't weild a gun! teehee!') and the same theme repeats later on when the group decide to form a committee ('yeah, we asked the women, but the only one who wanted a woman in charge was a bit silly really...'). It seems like Kirkman has noticed he's telling the story from a very normative POV but can't really be bothered changing it, so has tried to justify it instead with some basic lip service.

Rick's increasing violence and aggressive sense of justification is becoming a bit too much like Preacher, but without the amusing slapstick qualities to redeem it. The repeating theme of 'sometimes a man just has to kill. It's a hard, mean thing, goddamn, but shit; it's the right thing.' is starting to get a bit hackneyed. It reads a little like Kirkman just wishes Rick would go about and Fuck Shit Up, but can't think of a way to fit it into the story. However, i get the feeling that he is intending to take this in the 'my God! what have i become!?' direction. I hope that's where he's going with this, though i'm not sure it'd be any less cheap...

And the black sidekick getting shown how to really have a good time by the new black girl who actually fucking says 'what'd you want with that scrawny white bitch anyway?'... Jebus save us...

Has anybody else noticed this kind of thing in the series, or are my PC hormone levels a bit high and making me go maaad with political prescriptive commie crap?

That said. Great series. Just a shame about the ick...
 
 
DavidXBrunt
19:44 / 05.10.06
I'm liking W.D. and, yeah, it's a bit macho and un P.C. but then it's just a comic and for the space of 22 pages I can forgive it. I have to read 'How to live a good life' in the the G2 section of the Guardian to cleanse my soul though.

As for catch up the story that starts in issue 25 is good fun. Nice change from the previous arc and we can see where the next 18 issues are going, if we assume the big collection indicates each arc will be 24 issues comprising 4 shorter sets of 6 issues.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
00:24 / 07.12.06
Was out and about today and decided to support THE WALKING DEAD and actually buy issue #33 to read in a bar while killing time. Glad I had some alcohol to take the edge off because...WTF????

Is this something from Kirkman's high school journal? You know, his first attempt to write really nasty horror where he mistakes sadism for intensity? Holy cow this was lousy and gratuitous. Am I getting old? Did anyone else feel the same way.

In the future I'm pointing to Issue #33 when my interest in THE WALKING DEAD (the comic, not the actual zombies) reached rock bottom.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:33 / 07.12.06
Is #33 out now?

I'll be happy to discuss it with you tomorrow then...

I know a lot of people bailed a few issues ago... fuck, I have NO idea what's about to happen that's worse...

I'm still enjoying it... but that said, I haven't read this one yet, so...
 
 
Grady Hendrix
13:08 / 02.11.07
ZOMG! WTF! ROFLMAO! Did anyone catch issue 43 of THE WALKING DEAD? I picked up issue 41 and was surprised to see that Kirkman's slow-as-molasses comic book actually had some plot and action in it. Things happened! Wanting to encourage this new trend in his writing I tentatively picked up 42 and there on the last page is an honest-to-goodness, out-of-nowhere plot twist. Was this really Robert Kirkman writing? The man who has never jotted down a line of dialogue or a scene that he could bear not to publish? I checked the cover, and nope - there was his name. Robert Kirkman, spelt: "R-O-B-E-R-T I Must Publish Everything I've Ever Jotted Down in My Notebook K-I-R-K-M-A-N"

So an invasion! Right at the end of 42! Wow! This actually made me excited to read 43 but the joke was on me: the entire issue is a flashback! The last panel of 43 is the same as the last panel of 42. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. In the letters column Kirkman says that it was important to introduce the themes and the backstory that he laboriously puts forward in issue 43, but to be honest I don't buy it since this comes from a man who can't change a roll of toilet paper without endlessly discussing what it means to change a roll of toilet paper and giving the entire backstory of the roll, from tree to supermarket shelf and then how it wound up in his house.

I'm reluctant to pick up issue 44 now, my interest in the series killed again after a brief revival because I worry that issues 44-49 will paint the backstory for the fields, the deer, the sky above and the actual plot will start again in a double-sized issue 50.
 
  

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