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Total Barbelith Tarot: 15- The Devil

 
 
Rex City-zen
18:28 / 08.10.01
I live my life like there's no tomorrow...everything I have I had to steal...
Running with the devil

My one main point of interest is this:
In revelations, the beast is numbered 6 hundered, 3 score and six. 6+ 3+ 6= 15
which reduces to 6 (5+1) - The Lovers/ the number of man and the missing dimensions of our 10 dimensional reality.
AH...I'll leave it to you...

PS-KEGBOY!! THE TOWER"S NEXT!! BE READY!!
 
 
Rex City-zen
18:54 / 08.10.01
Hey-that would attribute 6 6 6 to the moon card.Hmmmmm.Who is the devil/beast?
 
 
Mordant Carnival
19:59 / 08.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Rex City-zen:
My one main point of interest is this:
In revelations, the beast is numbered 6 hundered, 3 score and six.


Depends what translation you read, pet. 666, 616 or, as some scholars have it, 621. A lot of punters reckon that the no. of the beast has summat to do with the no. of days in the human gestation period. "For it is a human number..."
Dunno how they work that out, tho'. I make nine times thirty equal to 270.

When people talk about the Devil card, the interpretation seems to go one of two ways:- either the traditinonal veiw (evil, being bound to dangerous situations, dangerous people whatever) or a more PC angle in which the Devil is regarded as a corruption of the horned god (Pan, duh. Or whatever monniker you happen favour) and interpreted accordingly. In the latter case, the interpretation tends to be that some sort of phobic state is holding the questioner back, and that this is most probably due to a fear of one's wild, animal self. Perfectly valid, of course; but when I see this card I'm reminded of a powerful and formative tarot reading experience I had. (Yeah, more Carnivalistic navel gazing. Go back to sleep.)

I was about 16 and reading for a lass a couple of years older than me. I looked at this spread and I saw a big, dark vortex, sucking me down. She had every grim card you care to think of. The Tower, swords all over the place- real scary shit, and right in the middle of it all, the Devil card.
There was a kind of rank emotional smell, and a strong image of speed- as if I were on a vehicle travelling very fast. It was like a voice was speaking to me without words:
She has a freind she knows is dangerous. She wants to break away, but if she doesn't this freind will kill her. Warn her.
I looked up into the questioner's face. I didn't want to scare her, but I just had tell her what I'd seen. Eventually I gave out a bowdlerized version of the warning I'd recieved, mentioning a dangerous person in her life. She nodded and went on her way.
A couple of months later I ran into her again. I read her cards and the spread was completely different; pleasantly banal.
"What have you changed?" I asked.

Turned out she'd broken up with her boyfreind, who was in a slightly scary biker gang. Don't think I had anyting to do with it, really. She must have been about ready to dump him anyhow. I didn't know her, never met the boyf, but I have the strongest feeling that for her, a disaster was averted at that time.

Watch this card. When it turns up then something big is afoot.

[ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: Mordant Carnival ]
 
 
cusm
14:22 / 09.10.01
The self is all the matters. The ultimate corruption of individual will. Do what thou wilt, there is no accountability for your actions! Act as a wild animal, heed none but your passions. Nothing and nobody matters but what you want, and you'll do whatever it takes to get it. You have the freedom, no morals or rules bind your actions, and you care not for concequences. You are the Great Horned God! Revel as you please.

But with this freedom comes blindless. The Devil sees not beyond himself, and is easily manipulated. As well, when concequence catches up to him, he quickly finds himself in The Tower. With the freedom to follow passions comes the enslavement to those passions. If you always do what feels best right now, you will only do what feels best right now.

This card has two sides. It is useful as a means of freedom, to retreat to the self to do whatever it is you need to without being hampered by petty things like morals, ethics, or your soul. Become the Devil when you need to do terrible things, and cannot justify it any other way. It is a powerful liberating force. But once there, it is easy to be stuck in it. Its too easy of a solution, and the Devil likes the easy way out. Use the Devil as a tool only with the utmost caution and preparation, or you will loose yourself to him.
 
 
grant
16:58 / 09.10.01
The Devil: Go ahead, do it. It won't hurt them for very long. You want to. I want you to.
 
 
Rex City-zen
09:44 / 10.10.01
It's all hir fault.The devil made me do it.Lucy.In the sky with diamonds.The path over the abyss.High Priestess to devil.17.To the world.My best friend.The one who loves me unconitionally and tries to fuck me up any/every chance s/he gets.For my own good s/he cries.Back against the wall.Come out fighting.You want it? Do ya? It'll cost ya. Ned Flanders.The one you never expect.Kaizer Soze.Hiding in plain sight.The greatest trick was making people belives/he doesn't exist.Lilith/Lucifer.One true man.Don't eat the soul donut.Secret agenda.Division. Materialistic Bitch.
 
 
the Fool
09:44 / 10.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Rex City-zen:
The greatest trick was making people belives/he doesn't exist.


Or making people believe it does exist, tricking them with the comment above. Lies within lies.

Killing you with what you want, torturing you with what you cannot have. Laughing at your disarray and folly. Marketing your suffering as a prized commodity on the pan-soular dimensional meat wagon.

And its you. You are the devil. You built his smile and all his trappings. Pretend its someone else and all the more powerful it will become.
 
 
Pandal
19:55 / 10.10.01
You're half right about that actually. We make our own Devil. The fact that s/he was personified only changes the current image we hold in our minds. For me, s/he did push me out of my nest. It was only when i hit the ground that i realized that my best friend was also my worst enemy. Rex can atest to the fact that lessons are learned the hard way. otherwise its just TV.
 
 
Kobol Strom
19:42 / 12.10.01
 
 
Mordant Carnival
19:50 / 12.10.01
Now I remember why I stopped reading the bloody tarot in the first place. Yeeesh.
 
 
Rex City-zen
20:01 / 12.10.01
Kobol...thanks again for your incredible work.Beautiful card.
 
 
Warewullf
22:36 / 12.10.01
Bloody brilliant card, Kobol.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
13:14 / 15.10.01
Did you intend the.....Freudian aspects as well as the big bug face?

Quite a nasty devil.

Also, for the Devil, the Wild Hunt, violent release from the physical.
 
 
Kobol Strom
18:54 / 15.10.01
I see no ships....

I didn't intend any of it ,Lothar.It came out of the woodwork again.Although I had some idea that a mirror reflection would give up facial features,and I added eagles wings where there was nothing on the page behind the bearded dudes.Apart from that,if you see big beaasties,it sounds like you might need frontier psychiatry.

By The Avalanches

I had a dream the other night,and after Kung Fu fighting my way through this hi-rise,I could see the light,Lothar.Shining through the ceiling,music playing beyond.I was just too scared to go through the door.
As I woke up,I imagined that I heard my doorbell ring twice.There was no-one there,no kids about,I'd have heard them come up the steel staircase outside my flat.Anyone approaching my door,and theres a sound like drums in the deep.No-body.It was probably a waking dream,...but,I have a feeling I know who it is,....The Cats Have learned to work The Doorbell...Its the only explanation!The Cats Of Ulthar!

<click>...bzzzzzzzzzt.
 
 
Rex City-zen
18:59 / 15.10.01
That was just Lucianna Drake playing nikki nine doors on ya...

[ 16-10-2001: Message edited by: Rex City-zen ]
 
 
the Fool
00:42 / 16.10.01
quote:Originally posted by kobol strom:
...Its the only explanation!The Cats Of Ulthar!

<click>...bzzzzzzzzzt.


You best let them in, and ask them about their nightly trick of hanging out on darkside of the moon.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
02:19 / 16.10.01
quote:Originally posted by kobol strom:
I see no ships....

I didn't intend any of it ,Lothar.It came out of the woodwork again.Although I had some idea that a mirror reflection would give up facial features,and I added eagles wings where there was nothing on the page behind the bearded dudes.Apart from that,if you see big beaasties,it sounds like you might need frontier psychiatry.


This boy does need therapy.

Cool rorschach stuff going on there. The bearded dudes seem so apparent now but the main thing I saw initially was the big bug face. But then I do dig crawling around in the darkness.

Your Tarot-fu is truly mighty.

quote:but,I have a feeling I know who it is,....The Cats Have learned to work The Doorbell...Its the only explanation!The Cats Of Ulthar!

<click>...bzzzzzzzzzt.


Treat 'em nice dammit. Feed them old people who kill cats... I mean... fresh tuna. Yeah. That's it. Tuna. Forget about the old people comment.

[ 16-10-2001: Message edited by: Lothar Tuppan ]
 
  
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