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Robotussin and Shamanism

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

18:03 / 06.10.01

So I hear that Dextramathoriphan (the ingredient in Robotussin that makes you trip)targets the section of your brain that does the dreaming thing, and that Shamanic journeying is like a waking dream. At least, that's what it feels like for me, and others have said so too. So I think, maybe I'll get better "reception", so to speak, if I robotrip.
So I give it a try this weekend. It was...different. It was very vivid and clear, but still different. I have yet to locate my animal helper, so I was by myself when four tigers race by, each speaking a few words to form a sentence. I'm going to wait to say what that sentence was until I figure out what parts were induced by the 'tussin.
Was my idea a sound one? Or was my journey really a cough-syrup induced hallucination? It felt like a regualr journey, but a helluva lot more vivid and bizarre.
Any ideas?

[ 06-10-2001: Message edited by: Johnny O'Clock ]

19:37 / 06.10.01

I always stayed away from over the counter recreational usage so I'm not personally familiar with the uses of 'Robo' even though I knew people who did it on a fairly regular basis (too cheap to buy real drugs).

I've known people who have found power in using certain types of alcohol and others who were just drunks. Some people can use marijuana as a powerful plant ally and some just get stoned.

Maybe 'robo' can be used for shamanic purposes if the intent is correct.

You may be going places no 'psychonaut' has gone before.

01:20 / 07.10.01

definitely check the "DXM Vault" at http://www.erowid.org .
More info than you need on this sort of application.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

17:36 / 07.10.01

Cool. I'll definately spend some time there.

So it's plausible that my journey was not simply the 'tussin. Which is weird, because the tigers told they were there "to help me eat all of my icecream" (this is why I think that maybe the 'tussin was acting up. What the fuck is this supposed to mean?!). I told them I didn't understand, and they ansered as they ran away, "You will". Strange. I've never had anything so bizarre and cryptic happen in the lowerworld. I suppose it's a good idea to go back and try to get some clarification, but I haven't had the time lately to do it right (I didn't realize how much dedication the shamanism thing takes. I've had to put a tight leash on my diet, which is not easy. I eat like a hobbit). Hopefully, I'll get around to it sometime either tonight or the next.

[ 07-10-2001: Message edited by: Johnny O'Clock ]

18:13 / 08.10.01

I scream.
You scream.
We all scream for Ice cream!

Seriously though, just because you used drugs doesn't make the visions any less real. You still saw it, yes? They still spoke to you. That's why you took the robo, to get that. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

For the recreational drug user, hallucinations are mere entertainment, nothing more. For the shaman, they are the visions you sought, the spirits speaking to you. Its as real as you want it to be, and probably a good bit more so than that.

For myself, some shamanic visions have taken years to decode, often hitting me at an important time later when they were relevant. You might not figure this one out until you embarass yourself over a bananna split years from now. Or you could get it tonight. You never can tell.

00:22 / 27.10.01

DXM is a dissociative anaesthetic, not a 'true' hallucinogen, per se.

Not to say that I would not be interested in hearing about any results people have had with it -- but as far as Shamanism is concerned, what ever happened to DMT?

00:22 / 27.10.01

Theres definitely a realm of experience to explore here and I support the pioneer spirit,which is,I believe what drives us to these places in absence of spaceships.
But hallucinations of a visual and aural and sensual are pretty potent and can be completely convincing,even as they rally against the forces of human reason.There is another realm of the hallucination,the next step so to speak,where this experience takes on another aspect,and that is the complete immersion and ability to maneuver coupled with personal consciousness and sense of self.I think the drugs can pull a few strings to show you a glimpse of the potential of altered consciousness,but the Jack London of hallucinations await those who attempt the 'trip' by transcendental mediation perhaps coupled or assisted with drugs.
I think there is a definite frontier to explore here,especially when you encounter objects and instances which have layered meanings as well as beings who wear the Gods as masks.
Its funny to think that we take on a pretence at dignity and power,by donning the mantle of magician,and then the spirits take on their aspect to deal with us.It begs the question:Why can't the mirrors open and everyone can meet up.? There is some unbelievable plan behind the actions of the spirits,and social psychology is in the dark ages compared to the reasoning of brave souls who explore the extremes of these new realms,with or without drugs.

16:16 / 28.10.01

quote:So it's plausible that my journey was not simply the 'tussin. Which is weird, because the tigers told they were there "to help me eat all of my icecream" (this is why I think that maybe the 'tussin was acting up. What the fuck is this supposed to mean?!). I told them I didn't understand, and they ansered as they ran away, "You will". Strange. I've never had anything so bizarre and cryptic happen in the lowerworld. I suppose it's a good idea to go back and try to get some clarification, but I haven't had the time lately to do it right (I didn't realize how much dedication the shamanism thing takes. I've had to put a tight leash on my diet, which is not easy. I eat like a hobbit). Hopefully, I'll get around to it sometime either tonight or the next

HmmMmmMMMmm sounds intresting. as for you helper animal don't yah kinda know what at lest oen of em is? isn't it like the animal you feel closest too or something what is it two that walk beside you one above below and somthign like that 9 in all right?? or am i thinking of something tottally diffrant?

and heres the thingie on the tiger i found from Sidney Sometimes his little groovy book thingie

tiger: female sexuality and aggressiveness; leashed/unleashed anger (depending on the situation); If chasing you/another for the kill, what is there in yourself that you are trying to get rid of?