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Smoke and Mirrors

 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:52 / 02.06.05
The esteemed Mr Crowley chose to adopt the term "magick" for his art and science, in order to distinguish between his lofty occult endeavours and mere stage conjuring, sleight of hand and other such skullduggery. I believe that the learned gentleman was missing a trick. This is a thread where we lift the mysterious sliding panel and try to glimpse the hidden join where stage conjuring meets the occult arts.

I'm currently reading Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic. I'm approaching it as if it's a really difficult grimoire, where you have to struggle to read between the lines in order to grasp the real occult meaning hidden within - much like the cryptic works of Kenneth Grant or Michael Bertiaux.

I can now make a spot of cigarette ash leap from one hand to another, penetrate a coin through a silk handkerchief, and perform numerous improbable feats with a pack of cards.

Interesting things take place when you perform conjuring tricks for people. You're creating an illusion of something for a moment. A temporary autonomous zone where the normal rules of physics are at some level suspended, or at least arrested, in the minds of the spectators for a couple of minutes.

To perform such things successfully, I think you need to accomplish a certain sleight of mind yourself. You have to convince yourself that the effect is accomplished by "magic", rather than trickery - whilst another part of your brain executes the physical movements of the trick with expert timing. It seems you have to distract yourself from the mechanics of the trick, in order to effectively distract other people. Misdirection seems to function by engaging the audience in your performance, whilst other processes take place in the background, undetected by the conscious minds of both audience and performer.

I think there are a few parallels here with processes like Austin Osman Spare's concept of lust of result. The idea that magic happens when you're not looking for it. It happens when your conscious mind is distracted and your attention is elsewhere.

I find this quite fascinating, and I'd speculate that it's probably just the tip of the iceberg of interesting parallels between the two arts. Stage conjurers often seem even more eager to drive a wedge between their art of illusion and "the occult" than occultists are... and the two things do mostly seem to exist in isolation from eachother. So my current little project is to see what happens when you approach stage conjuring as a complete system of magic (in the occult sense), so that each trick and sleight has some hidden meaning or application in occult terms, each of the shuffles you learn to perform with a deck of cards is designed to cause specific changes in consciousness, and so on.

What would happen if you start mixing it up? Card tricks with an actual haunted deck of cards, stage magic performance as ritual theatre geared towards a specific intent, the art of conjuring employed as a tool for accomplishing the art of magic.

I have visions of bizarre spirit cabinets with sliding doors, mirrors, detachable sections, false bottoms, secret windows, etc... that can be operated like occult machines for making certain things happen.

Voodoo dolls placed in boxes and sawn in half, put back together with something new added.

Feats of escapology performed in public as symbolic acts of klesha smashing, sturdy chains and handcuffs consecrated to represent a problem or behaviour that the magician seeks to overcome by performing a miraculous escape in front of an astonished audience.

The possibilities seem endless. The world of conjuring actually seems more secretive and difficult to get into than the world of occultism though, so this is a thread for other neophyte conjurers such as myself to swap notes and assist each other in accomplishing the great sleight. Let this thread be a haunted restaurant of strange mirrors and sliding doors where Harry Houdini drinks weird cocktails with Kenneth Grant, Howard Thurston cracks onto Lady Freda Harris, and David Devant and his spirit wife enjoy a physically demanding threesome with Austin Osman Spare.
 
 
Darumesten's second variety
11:04 / 02.06.05
I'm not into magick or conjuring at all, but your idea makes sense to me, specially related to the escapology stuff .. houdini always gave an occult/symbolic feel to me, like it had a hidden reading behind the performance ..
 
 
Seth
11:32 / 02.06.05
Feats of escapology performed in public as symbolic acts of klesha smashing, sturdy chains and handcuffs consecrated to represent a problem or behaviour that the magician seeks to overcome by performing a miraculous escape in front of an astonished audience.

There was a guy called Steve Lee in my old church who used to do that! He learned the method of escape from a straitjacket and was hoisted a hundred feet into the air by a crane, hanging by his ankles. He used to escape and throw the jacket to the ground as a symbolic of his escape from the bondage of sin. He did a lot of magic in street displays that illustrated Christian principles. A damn site more fun that your average street evangelist.

There’s a lot of this in accounts of shamanism: the idea of tricking someone into being made well. A lot has been said that supposedly debunks shamanic technique of sucking out intrusions and spitting out the offending magical object or critter. What was missed was that the it wasn’t mere fakery: the actions all had a symbolic meaning, were all part of the toolkit and each device was representative of an element of the shaman’s practise in the otherworld.

I’m also interested in some of the stories about Richard Bandler and Anthony Robbins. Showmanship plays a large part in many of their interventions. They show a large amount of skill at what they do, and there are many accounts of people having life-changing experiences as part of the spectacle. However, I’m still a tad uncomfortable with some of the cult-of-personality stuff that often accompanies this…
 
 
osymandus
11:46 / 02.06.05
Oppps Sorry about that ! case of not enaging editing filter ;-)

If your intent is to permorm a methodology (in this case stage magic ) to gain your "result" and its a willful act (entertain), then surly its magic/magickal either way ?
Basicily im saying I dont believe Crowley was objecting to "magic" on its own grounds (i.e it there to produce an illusion for instance if thats the performers will thats an act of magick !).


Crowley states in Magick ,that all acts of will are a magickal act(by his ideologey).
He only seemed to label magic with a k , for those who wanted to investiage the methods he was championing so, you didnt end up learning to saw a lady in half if you wanted to learn how to say fly inside you own head ?

That ok ?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:50 / 02.06.05
There was a guy called Steve Lee in my old church who used to do that! He learned the method of escape from a straitjacket and was hoisted a hundred feet into the air by a crane, hanging by his ankles. He used to escape and throw the jacket to the ground as a symbolic of his escape from the bondage of sin.

That's brilliant! I love it!

What was missed was that the it wasn’t mere fakery: the actions all had a symbolic meaning, were all part of the toolkit and each device was representative of an element of the shaman’s practise in the otherworld.

Yeah, as I understand it the bit of meat or whatever that the shaman 'extracts' from the client's body using sleight of hand is often like a material base to represent the illness - both in the mind of the patient and the shaman. It seems to be this idea of sleight of mind again. Something interesting there I think.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:22 / 02.06.05
I think it's just that Crowley's term "Magick" means "any willed action" - so in Crowley's terms, everything from publishing a novel, to cooking a meal, to pulling a rabbit out of a hat, would be considered an act of Magick. Therefore the addition of the "k" is technically just there to make it easier for people to tell the difference between what he was talking about and stage conjuring. Crowley was a stickler for plain english and accessibility of language...

According to Crowley's definition, the art of conjuring is just as "magickal" as desktop publishing or building a sculpture out of matchsticks. In a certain sense, of course, it is. But that's not really the angle I'm interested in approaching this from. I think there's a bit of a circular conversation there that doesn't necessarily lead anywhere other than an understanding that all willed activities are "magickal" - which we've established already. I'm more interested in looking closely at the processes of conjuring and observing parallels with the processes of magic in the occult sense.
 
 
Seth
12:40 / 02.06.05
There are some really interesting language patterns that add layers of communication (usually unconscious) to what is apparently said. When I have a chance I'll see if I can compile a list of some of them. A bit of sleight of mouth, to use the phrase coined by Robert Dilts.
 
 
osymandus
13:03 / 02.06.05
Thanks GL , thats what i was planning on saying (but you know how it is between the brain and the keyboard !). I have modified my post , moderators ;-).
 
 
_Boboss
09:58 / 05.06.05
sorry to quote gm on barbelith, wacktastically uncool, but i was reminded and the article's just here behind me on the shelf:

'i get more and more emvarrassed as time goes by to say i'm into magic or that i do magic. people always say, well show us a trick. and all i can do is wave my hand around at clouds and trees. i'm starting to think all that sleight of hand stuff is really the best magic in the world. because you can really convince people that unusual things are occuring and make them aware of the little gaps in perception where the unusual is always occuring. so i'm going to learn that next i think. any magician should be able to produce a rabbit from a hat, otherwise, forget it, you're just talking bullshit.'

ouch, typing. from arthur zine interview last autumn or so.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:16 / 05.06.05
I've recently been looking into cold reading techniques in relation to my public divination gig. At first this was a precautionary measure--I wanted to make sure that cold reading was what I was not doing.

However, I've found myself seriously considering slipping in bits of accepted cold-reading trickery as a way to grab the person's attention and focus it on something that looks to me like an important issue in their lives.

I'm loth to try it out because I don't want to undermine the integrity of my practice. People are paying me for a Tarot reading with a side order of psychic impressions, so in my book that's exactly what they should get. Also, many people are wise to this kind of thing, unconsciously if not consciously; this could lead to stock stuff like "I sense you are a very intelligent person" doing more harm than good.

However, if someone with a user handle like PixieShellfishMoonDanceGlow wants me to do a spread on her love life, and I get a strong message that

a) her intended is the kind of guy who'll be shagging one of the bridesmaids in the toilets five minutes into his wedding reception, and that
b) deep down she knows this and simply needs a bit of a poke to recognise it,

is it strictly speaking wrong to use some standard cold reading tricks to make damn sure she's paying attention when you wheel out the "dodgy dealings and impending painful disillusionment, ultimately for the best" bit?
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:23 / 05.06.05
i once had a tarot card reader try to convince me by using a set up deck and naming each card before it was turned over in sequence.

it was impressive at the time, but threw the whole reading into question upon reflection, if your a reader and your gifted stick with that, dont mix sly techniques into honest readings in my opinion your just opening up the avenue for cynicism and disbelief.

mixing deception into what can be an act of majik is like introducing mind forged manacles into a beautiful poem to dissect it and leave it utterly worthless, all its magick stolen, all passion lost.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:31 / 05.06.05
i disagree with crowleys definition of magick, to me magick represents events and occurences that are out of the range of human accepted capabilities as understood within the respected culture. miracles are majik, to reduce magick to be as wide as all human behaviour is to invite disaster and destroy the notion of the astounding capablities that magick is capable of.

crowley redefined magick into terms where he could perform it, otherwise guess what?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:05 / 05.06.05
There again, mate, it's not like Crowley was exactly a slouch in the making-weird-shit-happen dept.
 
 
Devil's Avocado
14:57 / 06.06.05
I’m still a tad uncomfortable with some of the cult-of-personality stuff that often accompanies this…

Couldn't agree more with this. For me the important question is the intention of the magician towards his working rather than the method employed to effect change.

I love being tricked by a bit of sleight of hand, but when I leave what has it given me? A few minutes of entertainment. What has it given the magician? An ego boost. A shaman might use the same techniques to 'trick' me but (hopefully) with the intention to help, heal or give me a greater awareness of an aspect of my life.

I'm not suggesting no-one who practices magicK ever thought how cool they were talking to deities and warping reality to order, nor that all stage magicians are total ego-maniacs but the 'power' relationship seems a lot healthier to me when the magician is empowering his 'audience' (even if it's himself), rather than just boosting his own ego.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:06 / 06.06.05
i think all that weirdness surrounding crowley, golden dawn, thelema has alot to do with masonry and in all probability jah-bul-on alot to do with demons perhaps.
 
 
LVX23
17:54 / 06.06.05
Therefore the addition of the "k" is technically just there to make it easier for people to tell the difference between what he was talking about and stage conjuring.

My understanding is that he wanted to give the word a more appropriate gematric value (though I don't have the actual values (Hebrew, Greek, English) at hand right now). Adding the k also creates a six-letter word and makes magick an act of the macrocosm rather than of the microcosm (5). See pentagram vs. hexagram.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:55 / 06.06.05
having just done alittle research i could be very wrong, although crowley spent nigh on 20 years trying to be recognised by the grand lodge of england, he never was.

those involved in the golden dawn however are another kettle of fish.
 
 
LVX23
23:29 / 06.06.05
I should clarify that the 6-letter "magick" is not solely macrocosmic but, actually, encompasses the microcosm and is therefore symbolic of the Great Work (uniting opposites).
 
 
LVX23
04:07 / 07.06.05
Truly gifted magician's seem to operate on a level beyond mere sleight of hand. David Blaine is a good example of someone who does things that seem to truly fuck with people's heads, giving them that gnostic moment of whathefuck. I think this is the greatest role of the stage magcian, as I think Gypsy noted above, in being able to give people a taste of the impossible.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:59 / 07.06.05
I think the ego/self-aggrandisment thing in stage conjuring is a double edged sword - as it is in all types of magic and creative work. It has to be used responsibly.

I've just picked up a copy of 'The Royal Road to Card Magic' by Jean Huggard and Frederick Braue. It's a step by step guide to the various shuffles and card maneouvres used in close up magic. One of the things stressed by the author is that learning the mechanics of card manipulation is not the same as being able to perform a trick well - and what makes a good trick is the performance, the magicians patter, the storytelling aspect of it.

So I've been thinking about the possibilities of basing card tricks around the tarot, so that all the tricks I perform - as well as being feats of conjuring - will also illustrate some aspect of occult knowledge or Quabalistic mystery in the telling of them. Conjuring tricks as a method of storytelling. Work out routines that involve, say, The Emperor and The Empress appearing to transform before the audiences eyes into The Lovers, revealing the mysteries of the Alchemical Marriage.

I think there's a lot of scope for interesting experiments here, and I like the concept of the magician being able to juggle the tarot deck and make the procession of cards dance in hir hands. After all, The Magician or Juggler in early tarot decks actually was a stage conjurer sitting at a table with the tools of his craft.
 
 
electric monk
19:08 / 07.06.05
I’m curious about your motivations here. Is this a purely academic exercise, something to share with close friends and associates, or a component of talks/performances you’ll likely give? In any case, I applaud your efforts. As Seth points out above, this type of “performance with purpose” has proven useful for Xtians in their efforts. No reason a magician shouldn’t do the same. I sense some parallels/common-sense extrapolations from earlier/ongoing efforts (Crowley’s Eleusian [sp?] Rites performance, Moon & Serpent performances) and do hope this will be something you can get out to the public. I feel confident the ladies, gents, and bi-sexes over at Ultraculture will take a cue from you, as this seems a good way to connect with the average Joe and establish a mutual understanding. Magic for the Masses and all that.

(Of course, if all this ends up with you in a Plexiglas box dangling over the Thames, we here at Barbelith will deny knowing you and profess complete ignorance as to what you’re on about.)
 
 
The Puck
21:41 / 07.06.05
However, if someone with a user handle like PixieShellfishMoonDanceGlow wants me to do a spread on her love life, and I get a strong message that

a) her intended is the kind of guy who'll be shagging one of the bridesmaids in the toilets five minutes into his wedding reception, and that
b) deep down she knows this and simply needs a bit of a poke to recognise it,


Mordent- I do belive in some psychic abilty, but isnt some of it the subconscious picking up on these subtle clues and informing the conscious mind of them through "feelings"? This is no way a challenge, im just intrested if my pet theory holds any water.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:37 / 08.06.05
I’m curious about your motivations here. Is this a purely academic exercise, something to share with close friends and associates, or a component of talks/performances you’ll likely give?

At the moment, it's an experiment. Just something to be getting on with in my spare time. It's fun to learn magic tricks and be able to do close up conjuring, and it's also an interesting learning process. You learn loads about people from doing this stuff, particularly to do with general perception and the power of misdirection. It's amazing what you can put over on people, right in front of them, and they won't see it if it's done in a certain way. That's pretty interesting to me, in terms of awake awareness. I think you can learn more about human perception and communication by learning how to do close up magic, than you can from a library of books on NLP.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, I imagine. I've hardly got started with the conjuring yet, just learned a few basic self-working routines. I'm interested in where it will go. I want to learn stage conjuring as if it's a system of occult attainment - reading between the lines and filling in the gaps with my existing understanding of magic. See what happens. See where it goes. I think there's potentially an entire system of occultism based around conjuring, that could be discovered and developed.

I also think there's scope for doing this sort of thing professionally, getting hired for parties and social events, and really blurring the lines between conjuring and magic. One minute you're doing card tricks, the next you're actually giving divination with playing cards for people. Is it real? Is it a trick? Are the tricks magic? Is the magic just a trick? Actually putting yourself into public social environments as a cunning man/trickster/magician persona - delivering hoodoo gear to people under the socially acceptable veneer of conjuring.
 
 
Spaniel
16:03 / 08.06.05
Gypsey, it you haven't got a viable business going in a couple of years I'll be very sad indeed.

Fucking ace idea.
 
 
Unconditional Love
16:20 / 08.06.05
neo magic artistry you might find this book intresting some of the others on the page too.
 
 
rising and revolving
19:07 / 08.06.05
I like the idea conceptually and it definately comes from a ... well, not a noble tradition, but a long one. I've got a background in conjuring - and it's interesting (to briefly riff on other threads here) the amount of crossover there is between professional stage magicians and members of the more esoteric rites of Masonry. Of course, a lot of that is age related - most people involved in the Magic Circle when I was a member (about a decade ago) were well into their 60's, at least - and thats about the same median age as Masonry, near as I know.

So, onto the tradition - almost every performing guru since the dawn of time has brought a little conjuring into thier routine in order to spice up the relatively dull (from an outsiders standpoint) process of enlightenment. A quick hunt for Sai Baba on the web will find you video footage of this modern Indian Guru blatently using slight of hand to accomplish his 'miracles'. The same can be said for Uri Gellar and pretty much anyone on Randi's hit list.

Then you've got things like the 'Blood Trick' in the GD Neophyte ritual - a basic bit of chemical sorcery to drive home the message delivered by the magic.

Now, conversewise, there's the problem - which is that if you get caught (and you will get caught, if you're passing yourself off as a mystic) your credibility goes out the window. In a relatively unforgivable fashion - but in this regard, I think you have a handle on the right way to approach it. Which is, go in as a conjurer and baffle them with some real magic while you're doing it. They think they've seen a neat magic show, and at the same time you've left them with a little more to go home with.

See, my problem is that I know my history as a sleight-of-hand artist will come back to haunt me when I start my cult. Just like that L.Ron thang with him saying "Religion is where the moneys at" or whatever it was he foolishly uttered. Mind you, he died rich and surrounded by adoring throngs, so maybe it ain't the end of the world...
 
 
Perfect Tommy
23:50 / 10.09.05
I thought I'd revive this thread in light of a new project I'm working on...

A friend of mine who used to do magic and juggling professionally is interested in returning to the field. However, because he has been steeped in the magic world since he was a little kid (his father is a puppeteer and magician), he has a lot of preconceptions about magic. He approached me with the idea that, as a non-conjuror with good stage presence, we could come up with some illusions together without the baggage that comes along with the magic books.

What we're doing is taking my major interests--capoeira, billiards, mathematics, and magicK--and putting an illusionist slant on them.

I must have been remembering GL's beginning post when chatting with my friend; I talked about the idea of setting up a space where consensus rules are suspended. It seems like it may not be wise to actually manipulate any divination you do; but I was thinking of the huge difference between 'ok, let's do some i ching, got any pennies?' and plucking three chinese coins from out of the air, then revealing the cast hexagram as a temporary tattoo on the forearm of the querent. The divination itself may have been reached by the usual means, but the presentation has become something amazing that the subconscious believes is more meaningful.

This project is just starting, so all I've got is the theory, of course. But I thought I'd check to see if there were new ideas or results.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
00:30 / 11.09.05
that's Perfect

Perfect Tommy!

I've thrown myself into juggling and foot-bag recently, working on putting it together with urban creation myth style stories. "when coyote met car" and so on.

I really like the performative spin you put on the presentation of the divination, rather than the divination itself.

I think where magic and magick overlap is in the evocation of wonder, a personal apocalypse for the audience member who is reunited with the sublime.

go go gadget tesseract.

ta
tenix
 
 
gravitybitch
01:57 / 11.09.05
Brrrr.

I had a dream not long ago... started out with a handful of folks discussing how to pull off the illusion of burning somebody at the stake. The dream stuttered through some mundane stuff at work, fastforwarded to a party... We'd set up the illusion as part of the entertainment for the party; set it up also as a bit of High Ritual for a couple of people at the party (nobody else knew about that bit), and I woke up as I was heading off to be the "victim". And my first truly coherent thought after waking was that it wasn't just ritual, but that I was being initiated into something and I hadn't had a clue about that in the dream.

Don't suppose that was what you were looking to do?
 
 
Perfect Tommy
21:12 / 14.09.05
I'm thinking of something much closer in spirit to pulling a sigil out of your ear, iszabelle =)

Though, that does bring up the point of 'fooling to help' vs. 'fooling to fuck with to a point of psychological terror.' For the moment I'm just going to practice my misdirection and rely on my basic 'don't be a prick' instincts to keep things appropriately groovy.
 
 
Quantum
12:43 / 17.09.05
Gypsy- my best mate is a member of the magic circle and interested in the occult (specifically Reiki and Tarot but generally as well) and is a Londoner as well. I'll get him to the next Barbemeet to discuss this in more depth. Carter beats the Devil!
 
  
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