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Barbelith Futhark: The Anglo-Saxon five

 
 
grant
16:39 / 31.05.05
To go along with the Barbelith Elder Futhark threads, I thought I'd start a discussion of these little left-over runes, the final five stuck on the end of the Anglo-Saxon futhark alphabet.

They've got their own rune poems and everything. Some folks say because this set ends at the grave, it's a more organic or "realistic" cycle than the Elder Futhark, which ends either with time/day or treasure (depending on which ending you like).

From here:


Ac
The oak fattens the flesh of pigs for the children of men.
Often it traverses the gannet's bath,
and the ocean proves whether the oak keeps faith
in honourable fashion.

Æsc
The ash is exceedingly high and precious to men.
With its sturdy trunk it offers a stubborn resistance,
though attacked by many a man.

Yr
Yr is a source of joy and honour to every prince and knight;
it looks well on a horse and is a reliable equipment for a journey.

Ior
Iar is a river fish and yet it always feeds on land;
it has a fair abode encompassed by water, where it lives in happiness.

Ear
The grave is horrible to every knight,
when the corpse quickly begins to cool
and is laid in the bosom of the dark earth.
Prosperity declines, happiness passes away
and covenants are broken.



Now, Ior is the same letter as some representations of Hagalaz... and Aesc is the same as Ansuz. They show up here in the order, though.

The Anglo-Saxon "H" is "Haegl", which looks like our H, only with a downward-slanting crossbeam, while their "A" is really an "O," for "Oss" which has two down-up arms, rather than one down-up and one just down.

I've also read that the first three are trees -- Oak, Ash and Yew. I'm not sure where that leaves the fish, but all three of those (especially yew) are planted in graveyards. Funeral trees? I don't know. I should.

What else should I know about these five runes?
 
 
gale
16:21 / 01.06.05
I am not familiar with the Anglo-Saxon runes but here's something from the ealdriht of Miercinga Rice (www.ealdriht.org) that, when explored further, was pretty interesting.

According to the ealdriht, Yr is "bow." The associated rune poem they give is:

Bow is to nobles---and men alike
Joy and worthiness---it is fair on a horse
Steadfast on a journey---It is a piece of war gear.

Similar but not identical to your version. Now, when I looked up "yew" on wikipedia, for instance, this is what I got:

Yew wood is reddish brown (with whiter sapwood), and is very hard. It was traditionally used to make bows, especially the longbow. Consequently, it is not surprising that, in Norse mythology, the god of the bow, Ull’s abode had the name Ydalir (Yew dales). Most longbow wood used in northern Europe was imported from Iberia, where climatic conditions are better for growing the knot-free yew wood required.

So there is a relationship between bow and yew. As for the funeral and death connection, aside from 1. getting killed by a person with a bow, or 2. being buried with your bow, I can only guess.
 
 
grant
14:30 / 30.09.05
Noticed something odd - in the site linked above that has rune poems from the Old Norse, Icelandic and Anglo-Saxon, of course only the Anglo-Saxon has these five runes in this order.

But it also only has inguz, othila and dagaz -- in fact, as far as the *name* goes, the Old Norse and Icelandic skip from laguz (logr) straight to yr, the yew-tree, and end there.

So what's with the standard futhark alphabet? Why isn't its order reflected in any of the rune poems? Where does it come from, if not one of these sources?
 
 
grant
15:54 / 11.10.05
Here's another view of the final five, from Jordsvin, who's a fan/student of rune researchers Thor and Audrey Sheil.

He says there's not five extra, but nine:

The Sheils feel that the runes in their fullest sense are those of the Elder Futhark, and that the later additions are best viewed as magickal sigils or at most as auxiliary runes. The meaning of these symbols are as follows:

The first addition is Ac, which has the value of “A”, and means Oak Tree. Its verse in the Old English Rune Poem describes how the Oak is a blessing for humans, a source of food for pigs, and a good timber for ships. The Oak was sacred to Thorr and Odin. Ac is a strengthening rune, especially in difficult situations. It helps one to withstand tests gracefully. It has ramifications for feeding and raising livestock and for workings involving boats and sailors. It may protect against lightening.

Aesc (AE) means Ash Tree. Yggdrasil is often seen as an ash tree, although others see it as a yew. Ash is a tall, beloved tree, as its verse describes. It helps you stand your ground against outside pressure and hostility and weather opposition with resolution.

Yr (Y) means saddle. It might also mean a yew bow, but those meanings are covered pretty well by Eihwaz, so saddle seems more likely. It ties in with journeying and the passage of time, and the ability to travel freely where one wishes. It helps one get through the day and get through troubles.

Ear (EA) means Earth or Grave. It has to do with digging and burying things. Holes of any sort, tombs, caverns, and pipelines can be described by it as well. It has to do with things returning to Earth.

Ior (IO) means some sort of amphibian. I've also seen it as Iar (IA). Many see it as a beaver, and the description provided in the Old English Rune Poem matches beaver behavior well. Ior denotes the ability to adapt oneself to a new and rather different environment or situation. An adaptable, chameleon-type person can be indicated. Such and individual changes faces from situation to situation. It may have to do with commuting (working one place and living in another). It ties in with Dagaz in the idea of the daytime human world and the shadow realm of less corporeal wights.

The last four runes do not have extant verses, and were used mostly in Northumbria, in Northeast England.

Calc (a K sound) means Cup, Pitcher, or Beaker. It may also indicate a basin or tub. It is a supply of water. As a cup contains water, so Calc indicates containing something and keeping it from spreading. It provides a proper field of expression for what it holds. It keeps things within controllable bounds.

Gar (a harder G sound than that represented by Gebo/Gyfu) means Spear. The Sheils see it as a stylized, squared-off Sunwheel. Runes had no straight lines at all until folks began to write them on parchment instead of carving them on wood. It is a defensive rune operating on all planes, and in effect says “stop.” Gar also stabilizes.

Cweord (QU/KW) is probably a misspelling of “Cweorn,” a quern or hand-mill. It represents a change of small dimensions, limited in size, content, and importance. It refers to small amounts, brevity, short duration, and short-term effects. An impending change of small importance and brief duration, often less than twelve hours is indicated. Think of a little hand mill, which is quicker than a trip on foot carrying a sack of grain to the water mill, but grinds only relatively small amounts of grain!

Stan (ST) means Stone. It can mean both weight and standstill. In England, a “stone” is fourteen pounds. Stones don’t change very fast. While Isa blocks, Stan indicates total stasis and inertia coming from within. It can be an unchangeable, immovable foundation. It can refer to “dead weight.” This rune is a rune of the status quo and is literally a hard rune!

Meditation on these nine later addition to the runes, a fourth aett, as it were, may yield further insights. These brief descriptions are meant to encourage those who are interested to begin their own investigations.


I really want to know what Gar actually looks like.
 
 
grant
15:58 / 11.10.05
Oh, ho! the Northumbrian additions are here!

Gar is this:
(Very similar to the thing I've got on my chest. Thank you, youthful exuberance. Thank you, World Book Encyclopedia.)

It's the ninth rune, this page says, because it contains all the other runes in it.

Sound: "g" as in "gap"
Stands for: Spear (specifically Gungnir - Odin's Spear)
Casting meaning: The Gar rune is a special one. Unlike the previous 32 runes in the Northumbrian set, Gar does not belong to an ætt. However this rune is said to be the center point of all the other runes in this set. It is also said to contain all the other runes in itself, making it a powerful and useful rune.


So that's cool. The aett-less rune.

This site also says that Gar, as Odin's Spear, isn't just the weapon Odin carried. It's a kenning for Yggsdrasil, the World Tree.

Anyone know why this was in Northumbria and not anywhere else?
 
 
grant
15:39 / 12.10.05
It appears that some people (many jewelry makers) are claiming gar is the ancestor of the Celtic cross:



There's more on gar here, a very brief "about.com" article that links it to the Solar Cross, also called Odin's Cross, used as a symbol for the Asatru faith (and as the Macguffins in Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising books).
 
 
Rigettle
15:27 / 09.08.06
I just posted a bit about these matters on the Rune Index Thread.

The kennings offered here are interesting, but I wonder where they come from. The first five of the final nine, if you get my drift, are mentioned in the "Anglo Saxon Rune Poem" but I've never found any source materials regarding Cweorth, Calc, Stan or Gar.

My own kennings for these staves are purely the result of my owm work with them.

I wrote an essay about Gar once aeons ago, maybe I'll see if I can dig it out.
 
 
Rigettle
17:28 / 09.08.06
Anyone know why this was in Northumbria and not anywhere else?

yeah what has a scramasax pulled out of then Thames got to do with Northumbria? Got me thinking.

You may want to look for this book:

Runes: An Introduction
Ralph W.V. Elliott
Manchester University Press, 1959 rep in p/b 1980

He says (p36):

There is good reason for believing that this later development was confined to Northumbria & that it was not completed until the beginninmg of the 9th century.

later

The splendid stone cross of Ruthwell (Dumfriesshire) which bears in runes some portion of the old english poem "The Dream of the Rood" & which may be assigned to the first half of the 8th century, uses 31 runes. The final 33 letter futhorc was printed in 1705 by G. Hickes in his "Linguarum Veterum Sepetentrionalium Thesaurus" Vol 1, p135 from the Cotton MS Otho Bx, which perished in the fire of 1731 when so many early english treasures were destroyed.
 
 
grant
19:45 / 09.08.06
Hahahahaha!

I just ordered An Introduction to the Runes by R.I. Page from Amazon!
As in, last year when I was digging into all this rune stuff, someone recommended Page as a source for Northumbrian information, I stuck it on my wishlist, then ordered it last week -- the first time I've ordered something since last Christmas.
 
 
Rigettle
06:54 / 10.08.06
Very scholarly, but def worth a dip into now & again.
 
 
illmatic
07:57 / 10.08.06
Ha, I used to have both of those books when I was studying runes. Odin only knows where they go to now. I liked the Page one, becuase it was quite light, I seem to recall. Encouraged me to craft my runes on wood rather than stone.
 
 
EmberLeo
22:04 / 10.08.06
It's the ninth rune, this page says, because it contains all the other runes in it.

That doesn't follow. The rune shown in your picture certainly doesn't contain all the other runes within it's lines - all the angles are at 90 degrees.

--Ember--
 
 
EmberLeo
23:16 / 10.08.06
Okayokayokayokay...

Gah, I feel queasy now. A number of things have lined up in my head the last couple weeks, and this is apparently the last straw.

This thread is the first opportunity I've had to dig into the Anglo-Saxon runes. I've worked a lot with the Elder Futhark in the last several years.

But I originally encountered the runes when I was learning to read the Tarot. I started with the Norse Tarot, which associates Ear with the High Priestess, who they have as Frigga (looking much more like Hella). I somehow concluded over 10 years ago meant something along the lines of "Wisdom gained from looking into the hidden/unknown". Looking back on the book, which says "Sea or water and also earth or grave", I haven't a clue how I drew that conclusion.

But at the time I carved it, and Elhaz, and an Ankh, and the symbol for Scorpio (I was born a week after Halloween) into my redwood staff, which is possibly the only magical tool I have ever made for myself from scratch.

Now given the Voluspa there is an obvious correlation between the Grave and gathering Wisdom from the Unknown.

What with the issues I have working with the dead, having that combination of sigils carved into my staff makes sense as well. Redwood has been pinging me lately to figure something out, as have other vectors, but I wasn't getting enough info to really understand. Then the bit about Kenaz referring to Death instead of Fire and how that affects Jera's meaning.

I sat chair for Oracular Seidh tuesday night. I felt strongly going into Seidh that I should bring my Redwood staff to protect me, and we don't take me down to any homes of the dead because that has been known to make me very sick later, but I thought ancestor questions would still be ok. Well I got pretty much nothing BUT ancestor questions, and that was hard, but again, I seem to be okay.

But now this about Ear, and my brain is just SCREAMING at me to put all this together NOW, and it's literally making me sick to my stomach. There's obviously Something Important I'm supposed to work out, and it's just very loud in my head and ow ow ow ow ow.

So... I guess, thank you guys. Apparently joining Barbelith was the right idea. I needed something of which you were, if not the only possible source, obviously a bizzarely efficient source.

--Ember--
 
 
grant
15:24 / 11.08.06
A few things:

I started with the Norse Tarot, which associates Ear with the High Priestess, who they have as Frigga (looking much more like Hella). I somehow concluded over 10 years ago meant something along the lines of "Wisdom gained from looking into the hidden/unknown". Looking back on the book, which says "Sea or water and also earth or grave", I haven't a clue how I drew that conclusion.

You drew that conclusion because that's a perfectly reasonable interpretation of the High Priestess. It's a great illustration, also, of why the runes and the tarot aren't related or even compatible systems. At least in that way.

Who the heck did a "Norse Tarot" anyway?

I sat chair for Oracular Seidh tuesday night. I felt strongly going into Seidh that I should bring my Redwood staff to protect me, and we don't take me down to any homes of the dead because that has been known to make me very sick later, but I thought ancestor questions would still be ok.

What exactly does this mean/entail? What form does this take? (Maybe this should be answered in a thread on Heathenism or something -- there was one on Norse practice around here somewhere. Ah - mentioned on our wiki rune index as being over here. I started it then forgot about it.)

Apparently joining Barbelith was the right idea. I needed something of which you were, if not the only possible source, obviously a bizzarely efficient source.

You might want to aquaint yourself with Dabh Surgot. If you haven't already.

That doesn't follow. The rune shown in your picture certainly doesn't contain all the other runes within it's lines - all the angles are at 90 degrees.

I don't entirely get it myself -- either it includes a capacity to turn on its side (making the Celtic cross) or else it includes an unrepresented vertical line, which I know I've seen in some other rune things.

It appears on this pretty cool visual index, but isn't called a gar. It's something else - of unclear name or meaning. I have a feeling this would be the gar-as-bindrune (since the horizontal line looks like an actual spear), but that's just me.

And look, I made it through the whole post without trying to make a bad T-ear-isias pun!

Oh. I'm so sorry.
 
 
grant
15:59 / 11.08.06
Coincidentally, I stumbled on an interesting thing to do with ear, ing and spindles in this thesis (a pdf). It's on page 95 of the text, but if you use the search thing at the bottom, it's 105 (of 241). Interesting bit of dancing around spindles and graves regarding a Moldavian grave-gift. The discussion actually starts near the end of p 93 (103 of 241).

Have no idea if it makes sense to anyone other than Mordant Carnival or Ember, but there it is.

Interesting notes about one rune being used two ways in a single inscription. (There's also some funny business with Loki, Tyr and snakes on the bottom of 144/154).
 
 
EmberLeo
17:22 / 11.08.06
There's actually more than one Norse-themed Tarot, and several "Runic Tarot" decks of one or another kind. They make various degrees of effort to shove a Futhark into direct correlation with the Tarot.

The Norse Tarot I have seems to do Tarotness okay, but has to go a bit sideways on some of the runes and bits of myth to make it work. Since what I wanted was a Tarot deck, that works fine for me. I picked it because I'd never had a deck before, I thought Celtic would work well for me, but when I went to pick an actual deck, the Norse Tarot felt like "home" and the "Celtic" ones all felt kind of weird. *shrugs*

I'm about to dig into the document. Sorry for rotting the thread. I can attempt to explain Oracular Seidh somewhere, or start a thread about Oracular Ritual in general, if folks want to compare and contrast that with Delphinian-style Oracles or something... Preference?

--Ember--
 
 
grant
02:08 / 12.08.06
Would it fit in that Asatru thread I linked to up there? If not, something new on oracular practices would be fun.
 
 
EmberLeo
06:40 / 12.08.06
Well, a discussion of Oracular Seidh would fit into a discussion of Asatru, certainly. But not in the same *way* it would fit into a discussion of Oracular ritual.

Hence the question. I'm somewhat more inclined to discuss it as a type of Oracle rather than discussing it as a Heathen Practice, but both directions are potentially interesting. In a Heathen context, there's the question of exactly what Seidh is in general, not just Spae/Oracular Seidh. In an Oracular context, there's the question of what it has in common with other cultural contexts and methods.

--Ember--
 
 
grant
01:33 / 13.08.06
Follow your inclination. Oracle thread.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:11 / 13.08.06
May I add another vote for an oracle thread?
 
 
EmberLeo
08:46 / 14.08.06
You may! I'll try to gather enough intelligence to make that worthwhile tomorrow. It's been a looooong weekend after an even longer week, though, so I'm going to bed now!

--Ember--
 
 
EmberLeo
21:17 / 14.08.06
Okay, I made the Oracle thread, but I'm not really sure what to say there. I'm sort of hoping there will be questions to get the ball rolling... *looks hopeful*

--Ember--
 
  
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