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And the award for lifetime achievement in literature goes to...

 
 
astrojax69
05:04 / 30.05.05
there is a poll linked to this headshop topic on greatest ever philosophers... i made a pact with myself a few years ago to try to read as many nobel laureates as i could [just finished coetzee's 'life and times of michael k'] and it occured to me that you, yes you 'lithers, might have an opinion or three on who is the greatest writer of all time... let's exclude playwrights and poets - other threads for these? - and stick to prose fiction.

is it a nobel laureate..?


to kick things off, i nominate the 1920 nobel laureate, knut hamsun. he is a wonderful writer; simple, rich, poetic, offbeat, touching and deep. what more could i ask? i am astounded that his whole canon is yet to be translated into english...

others on the nobel list i might expect to get a few votes might be tom mann or gabby garcia marquez...

on nobel laureates, james joyce, for instance, never won a nobel prize... an oversight?

of course, there is a rich history of writers before the nobels. but hamsun still does it for me.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
22:05 / 30.05.05
I think you'll find that Mr. Mervyn Peake is much underestimated.
 
 
astrojax69
02:39 / 31.05.05
titus groan was sensational, but titus alone was unreadable... it dribbled into nothingness and was, i thought, nothing but a poor imitator of some of hesse's works. yes, peake is pretty good, but not an olympian.
 
 
This Sunday
14:36 / 31.05.05
Jimmy Joyce may not top the list, but he's the closest running I can think of at the moment. Any one of his books, alone, should qualify him a high position, but the fact he managed all that he did, from 'Portrait...' to 'Finnegans Wake' lends imarginable impetus, surely.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
18:12 / 31.05.05
too many great stories.

Thomas Pynchon & Kathy Acker (US), BS Johnson & B Shakespeare (UK), Margaret Laurence & Paul Quarrington (Canada)

can't account for all the other brilliant kids running around spilling so much seductive sepia.

not to downplay Mervyn Peake or Jimmy Joyce...
too. many. to. count.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:36 / 31.05.05
Saul Bellow, for More Die Of Heartbreak in particular, Humboldt's Gift ( which thinking about it, he actually did get a Nobel for, ) and Henderson The Rain King.

Though that's not to say I'd disagree with anyone's thoughts on Mervyn Peake and James Joyce. Even though I seem to keep on getting stuck on around page 90 of Ulysses, specifically the bit where L Bloom's cooking his breakfast. That line about 'the tang' of the kidneys, frying in the pan.
 
 
matthew.
20:15 / 31.05.05
Vladimir.


Nabokov.


The greatest prose stylist in the world. Sure, Joyce was great. Sure, Hemingway wrote a ripping good read. Sure, Chandler screwed with detectives. But Nabokov. Man, did he write a good sentence. In fact, I don't think he could write a bad sentence. The same has been said of my other vote: Robertson Davies. (Canadian, I-thank-you)
 
 
The Falcon
20:36 / 31.05.05
I like all the really obvious ones: Burroughs (even if only for The Naked Lunch alone; Junkie is like a boring version), Borges and Kafka.
 
 
The Falcon
20:38 / 31.05.05
On Nabokov, I've only read Lolita, but that is one shit-hot book.

Top 5, prolly. Well, that's in my top 5 books, anyway.
 
 
DrNick
21:54 / 31.05.05
I was utterly blown away by The Sound And The Fury, so for that reason I'd probably pick William Faulkner (although of course picking just one is ridiculous etc etc). Even today it reads like it's pushing the boundaries of what you can do with a novel, never has a book come together better. Admittedly it absolutely demands a second reading to actually make it work, which is quite arrogant/confident, but he had the talent to back it up, in spades.

Light In August and As I lay Dying ain't half bad neither.

Out of writers still living I would vote for either J M Coetzee or Alasdair Gray.
 
 
This Sunday
01:31 / 01.06.05
I love Nabokov, and I reread him more frequently than nearly any other author I can think of, but his love-affair with artifice always seems to keep me from putting him at the very tiptop of a 'best of all time' list. But, since someone else put him there, I cave in, I pathetically rally behind somebody else's banner so as to avoid the shots that might hit me if I was on the front-line instead of somewhere in the middle.
Vivian Darkbloom it is. From robots and trains to the King of Zembla and his shadowy second, from Dolly Haze to VaniAda, alright, artifice or not, nobody really touches him do they?
If Burroughs had written more, more in the vein of his cat book, or something utterly fresh from his general mode, maybe he'd reach. If both Dumases merged into one person, or Wells had written more in his 'Sleeper Wakes' mode...
No. No, I have changed my mind, I have: Nabokov gets the lifetime achievement award for fairytales. Which I'd certainly enjoy more than the one for literature, and he might've as well, all things considered.
 
 
astrojax69
23:17 / 02.06.05
what about calvino's fairytales? or of course andersen's!
 
 
dispatx
09:50 / 04.06.05
W.G. Sebald deserves a mention - its tragic that he died when I think that perhaps his greatest books were yet to be written. Again, he pushed the boundaries of what could be achieved with writing, and his books seemed to create a cumulative aura around them as you read them. The man was on to something.
 
 
dispatx
09:59 / 04.06.05
But I plump for Nabakov too. If you see what I mean.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
19:05 / 04.06.05
just out of curiosity,

why am I the only person who suggested books written by (gasp) women???

ta
pablo
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
22:49 / 04.06.05
Roald Dahl, S.E.Hinton, George Orwell, Herman Hesse, Chekhov, Kurt Vonnegut, and my favourite of the last few years, Jorge Luis Borges (I don't seem to be able to stop re-reading "Fictions").

And so, so many more....
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
23:04 / 04.06.05
Oops! Was I supposed to choose just one? Erm... If pushed, I guess it would have to be Roald Dahl. It's all his fault. He even invented Gremlins. 'Nuff said.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:14 / 05.06.05
tenix,

That's because you're sensitive.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:28 / 05.06.05
I mean 'very' sensitive - the dark thoughts you have about women aren't bad, y'know, exactly, it's just that it's not as convenient legally to 'outsource' 'the evidence' as it used to be, word to the wise, and all that.

The scrapes I got into, before I cottoned on...
 
 
dogtanian
11:46 / 05.06.05
my vote would go to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, for his efforts to get the reality of soviet/Stalinist life to the outside world. even though it cost him everything (he was in gualg, sent to siberia, stripped of his qualifications and membership of soviet writers' associations, and exiled) he didn't stop. by all accounts he wasn't a particularly amenable fellow, but after his treatment, it's no real surprise. his books are wonderful, particularly Cancer Ward, which won the Nobel in 1970, and One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich.

Both are beautifully written, simple without being facile, and both remain with you long after they finish.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:47 / 06.06.05
Here's a list to make it easy on yourse-e-e-e-elves:

2004 Elfriede Jelinek
2003 J.M. Coetzee
2002 Imre Kertész
2001 V.S. Naipaul
2000 Gao Xingjian
1999 Günter Grass
1998 José Saramago
1997 Dario Fo
1996 Wislawa Szymborska
1995 Seamus Heaney
1994 Kenzaburo Oe
1993 Toni Morrison
1992 Derek Walcott
1991 Nadine Gordimer
1990 Octavio Paz
1989 Camilo José Cela
1988 Naguib Mahfouz
1987 Joseph Brodsky
1986 Wole Soyinka
1985 Claude Simon
1984 Jaroslav Seifert
1983 William Golding
1982 Gabriel García Márquez
1981 Elias Canetti
1980 Czeslaw Milosz
1979 Odysseus Elytis
1978 Isaac Bashevis Singer
1977 Vicente Aleixandre
1976 Saul Bellow
1975 Eugenio Montale
1974 Eyvind Johnson, Harry Martinson
1973 Patrick White
1972 Heinrich Böll
1971 Pablo Neruda
1970 Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
1969 Samuel Beckett
1968 Yasunari Kawabata
1967 Miguel Angel Asturias
1966 Samuel Agnon, Nelly Sachs
1965 Mikhail Sholokhov
1964 Jean-Paul Sartre
1963 Giorgos Seferis
1962 John Steinbeck
1961 Ivo Andric
1960 Saint-John Perse
1959 Salvatore Quasimodo
1958 Boris Pasternak
1957 Albert Camus
1956 Juan Ramón Jiménez
1955 Halldór Laxness
1954 Ernest Hemingway
1953 Winston Churchill
1952 François Mauriac
1951 Pär Lagerkvist
1950 Bertrand Russell
1949 William Faulkner
1948 T.S. Eliot
1947 André Gide
1946 Hermann Hesse
1945 Gabriela Mistral
1944 Johannes V. Jensen
1943 The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1942 The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1941 The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1940 The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1939 Frans Eemil Sillanpää
1938 Pearl S Buck
1937 Roger Martin du Gard
1936 Eugene O'Neill
1935 The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section
1934 Luigi Pirandello
1933 Ivan Bunin
1932 John Galsworthy
1931 Erik Axel Karlfeldt
1930 Sinclair Lewis
1929 Thomas Mann
1928 Sigrid Undset
1927 Henri Bergson
1926 Grazia Deledda
1925 George Bernard Shaw
1924 Wladyslaw Reymont
1923 William Butler Yeats
1922 Jacinto Benavente
1921 Anatole France
1920 Knut Hamsun
1919 Carl Spitteler
1918 The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1917 Karl Gjellerup, Henrik Pontoppidan
1916 Verner von Heidenstam
1915 Romain Rolland
1914 The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section
1913 Rabindranath Tagore
1912 Gerhart Hauptmann
1911 Maurice Maeterlinck
1910 Paul Heyse
1909 Selma Lagerlöf
1908 Rudolf Eucken
1907 Rudyard Kipling
1906 Giosuè Carducci
1905 Henryk Sienkiewicz
1904 Frédéric Mistral, José Echegaray
1903 Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson
1902 Theodor Mommsen
1901 Sully Prudhomme

My top three would be, sticking with a rationale of body of work and return to time after time:
1. Wislawa Szymborska, and that's without having read her wonderful poetry in the original.
2. W B Yeats, whose influence has been monumental.
3. Albert Camus, patron saint of the pieds noirs.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:03 / 06.06.05
F**k Nobel, he made dynamite!
 
 
Shrug
23:01 / 06.06.05
Sorry in advance for minor/major thread rot.
Seamus Heaney is up there (1995). Having been taught Seamus Heaney in school he evokes alot of emotions in me though mostly feelings of hatred for Seamus Heaney. I know I'm failing to be in anyway objective about this because of the school connection so can anyone explain to me why he won a nobel prize? The only poem I've read by him that evokes any response other than the very eloquent "fuck off and die Heaney" is the Early Purges (which I quite liked). What I want to know is, is this negative association on my part (Heaney being secretly brilliant) or is he just a bit crap?

Out of the rest, of which I've read just a few, it has to be Thomas Mann. I haven't read anything by Mann in a long while but upon just seeing his name in this thread a wave of enthusiasm to read him again has been conjured up in me. Which is the only and greatest recommendation I can give as my critical abilities are severely thin on the ground.
(Also megahuggles? to Coetzee for some brilliantly evocative fiction)
 
 
astrojax69
23:20 / 06.06.05
thanks xocolat for posting that list - i've read something of thirty one of them... i've a long way to go!
 
 
JohnnyThunders
01:19 / 07.06.05
Solzhenitsyn seconded. Without his work, particularly One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich and The First Circle, our understanding of Stalinist repression and its impact on the wider Russian consciousness would be much the poorer. He followed a distinctly Russian tradition of critical realism, which included Tolstoy, Turgenev and Chekhov, but his books were arguably more potent than his antecedents’ due to the risks he took in denouncing the soviet system.

William Faulkner also deserves a mention. Notable chiefly for his formal innovation and revelation of the complexities of the southern psyche, he has, I think, a body of work unparalleled in American Literature. One of the key figures in the modernist experiment, Faulkner’s fiction witnesses an audacious imagination at play… determinedly complex at times, but never gratuitously so… he basically redefined my conceptions regarding what books could, and should, achieve. My personal fav’s are The Sound and the Fury and Light in August, but I’m halfway through my third reading of Absalom Absalom! and I suspect that, once I’ve finally worked out what exactly he’s trying to say, and how he’s trying to say it, it might be his finest novel.

Balzac has to be in contention for a lifetime achievement award, if only for the sheer scale of his output, and the consistency of quality which he maintained throughout. And Dickens, for bringing great, accessible literature to the masses without any dilution of artistry or integrity. Modernism’s great and all, but, without wishing to sound patronising, much of it precludes the ‘ordinary’ reader, often intentionally so.
 
 
Fritz K Driftwood
03:42 / 07.06.05
Cistern, I wish that I could agree with you about Mann, but he is the only author that I have attempted (different translations) 5 times and never made it through one of his books. Both "Death in Venice" and "The Magic Mountain" (that is the one that defeated me the 5 times) were attempted and put aside. I finally gave up.

My best friend is a huge Steinbeck fan, but he leaves me cold.

Not crazy for Camus, either, but am learning French so may give him a try when I am a little closer to fluent.

Personally, Hemingway & Maugham are two favorites in "conventional fiction", both wrote books that made me want to pick up & move to Europe. For a long time, "The Razor's Edge" was the book that I claimed as my favorite, although not anymore. Le Guin has always been my favorite in "SciFi/Fantasy" although Mr. Mieville is inching up the charts. Kipling had a fan in me as a kid. And Sinclair Lewis & Solzhenitsyn pushed me through my early twenties. Like Mark Twain, but more for his essays than his fiction.

But currently, I think Beckett is my favorite.
 
 
The Falcon
23:33 / 07.06.05
Yeats, Shaw and Marquez from the list.
 
 
GogMickGog
06:22 / 09.06.05
Ian Sinclair deserves a mention, for 'down river at least, ad does uncle Moorcock, if only for "Mother London", which is of course acceptable because it's not overtly 'genre'.

Evelyn Waugh is often thought of as that acerbic Catholic guy, but his later books, like Handful of Dust and the Sword of honour trilogy are an exquisite blend of the tragic and the comic, suffused with an air of melancholy lacking elsewhere in his work.

Brideshead's bum though.
 
 
rizla mission
10:22 / 09.06.05
Unsurprisingly, seeing as how overly 'worthy' or 'literary' writers often leave me cold, I've probably only read books by about 10 of the Nobel prizewinners.

Of those, I'd probably have to go with Hamsun, Camus and Golding.

Left to my own devices on the other hand, my immediate nominations for the title would be Vonnegut and Burroughs.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
12:40 / 09.06.05
Cistern, I don't know if I can persuade you to like Heaney (I'm not very familiar with his work myself) but like you I was also taught a bit of his poetry at school and didn't like it to start with. I would, however, recommend "The Strand At Lough Beg" if you've not read it; it's the first one of his I read that made me consider maybe his poetry isn't all earnest little compositions on the terrible responsibility and metaphorical charge inherant in the act of drowning kittens. It's about a cousin of his who was shot, and there's one that follows it a few years later which is in the voice of the cousin and negates a lot of what was said in "The Strand...". If you've read that and don't like it, though, I'm all out of advice!

I might have to go for Nabakov as well, although I'd like to mention F Scott Fitzgerald as well -I'm not sure that 4 1/2 novels over 40 years would really qualify him for 'lifetime acheivement', however. I like the fact that whilst most of his novels are at least semi-autobiographical they don't come across as self-indulgent, and the sense of slow descent and impending doom that characterises his writing. Except the Pat Hobby stories, which are characterised by swift descent and doom that has very much already arrived.
 
 
delacroix
16:48 / 12.06.05
Cervantes. *nods vigorously*.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
10:09 / 13.06.05
José Saramago. He writes the most beautiful sentences while tackling the worst horrors imaginable, and no one's ever used the omniscient narrator so wittily before him. He takes me to places I'd rather not go, but when I get there I never forget to thank him for the journey!
 
  
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