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Alan Moore Takes League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Vol. 3 to Top Shelf

 
  

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FinderWolf
19:25 / 23.05.05
from Newsarama, just now:

MOORE: DONE WITH DC, PULLS LoEG

For Alan Moore, disagreements with DC Comics were mostly par for the course throughout the course of his contentious (at best) relationship with the company. Finally, according to Rich Johnston, the relationship may be at a complete end.

Over the years, Moore has distanced himself from DC, chiefly as a result of what Moore saw as DC dodging its responsibility to pay royalties to artist Dave Gibbons and himself on associated merchandise shortly after Watchmen was released. Moore cut all ties with the company and later, set up his America’s Best Comics at Wildstorm Studios, when it was still part of Image.

When Jim Lee sold the studio to DC Comics, Lee and editor Scott Dunbier personally flew to meet with Moore to smooth over the negotiations and worked with the creator to establish a “firewall” corporation, through which Moore would be paid for his work (rather than via paychecks from DC Comics). Despite the “hands off” relationship DC was supposed to have with Moore’s work, twice the company and Moore clashed: once over a reprinted Victorian era advertisement for a “Marvel Douche” in issue #5 of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen caused the issue to be ordered pulped and reprinted; and again when DC told Moore that he could not use a public domain story for a Cobweb tale for issue #8 of the Tomorrow Stories anthology.

Finally, in 2000, as Newsarama broke the story, Moore pulled his support and participation from the 15th Anniversary celebration of Watchmen, which was to include an action figure line as well as a hardcover collection of the story. As a result of Moore’s statements and public stance against the project, DC cancelled the products altogether. Since that time, Moore has worked to complete his ABC work while pulling back from the active role he once played in the line, allowing others to carry on with many of the series and characters he originated.

Moore’s stance with the Watchmen projects drove home the point for many that Moore sticks to his guns in a manner rarely seen in comics, refusing to work with those who have personally betrayed him, or acted in a manner he has found less than honorable.

In Johnston’s return to his column, “Lying in the Gutters,” Moore explains that, due to his displeasure with Hollywood’s treatments of his properties (Moore was named in a lawsuit in which, he and 20th Century Fox were sued for the similarities between League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Cast of Characters, leading Moore to endure a ten hour deposition due to similarities between the two properties that the filmmakers, not Moore, included in the story), he’s pulled his name from the V for Vendetta film, and wants absolutely nothing to do with any more films based on his work.

According to Johnston’s report, Moore had also issued an ultimatum to DC, via Dunbier, that if there were “any more meddling, any more pulping, any more problems," that he would pull League of Extraordinary Gentlemen v3 from the publisher. The third volume had already been announced by DC as being in the works, and to date, the first two collections of the stories by Moore and Kevin O’Neil remain consistent sellers for DC through the book trade.

Again, according to the story, Moore took umbrage at what V producer Joel Silver said about Moore’s approval of the film. Moore requested a retraction of the offensive comments, received none, and as a result, will be taking League of Extraordinary Gentlemen v3 to Top Shelf

According to Johnston, Moore and O’Neill will complete League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Dark Dossier later this year, and that will be that. The property will then move to Top Shelf/Knockabout for the third, and all future volumes.

Top Shelf’s Chris Staros confirmed for Newsarama that he and Moore had spoken about the property moving to Top Shelf, but declined to comment on a timetable or specific projects and dates.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:27 / 23.05.05
OK, I'm confused, I thought LOEG: Dark Dossier WAS Vol. 3.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:32 / 23.05.05
Link to Rich's new column on same.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:40 / 23.05.05
OK, my confusion is cleared up:

from Rich's new column:

>> This is "The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Dark Dossier," a hardcover graphic novel coming from Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill later this year from ABC/Wildstorm/DC Comics. Moore tells me this "will slip in between volumes two and three" of the "League." Moore described it to me as "not my best comic ever, not the best comic ever, but the best thing ever. Better than the Roman civilisation, penicillin..." The human brain? "Yes and the human nervous system. Better than creation. Better than the big bang. It's quite good."

>> He continues, "It will be nothing anyone expects, but everything everyone secretly wanted." It's unusual to hear such hyperbole from one more commonly associated with self-deprecation. It's nearing completion and Moore tells me he was in a recording studio last week, working on part of it. Yes, that intrigued me too, though Moore refused to be drawn past the tantalising glimpse he'd deliberately dropped.

>> Then after that, volume three of the "League" will be published by Top Shelf/Knockabout a year to eighteen months later, in a totally new format. And future volumes will continue from this publisher collaboration (see sidebar).
 
 
Billuccho!
19:47 / 23.05.05
Good for Moore.
 
 
sleazenation
19:51 / 23.05.05
I vaguely remember seeing some member of the Hollywood bullshit factory currently working on the V for Vendetta film spouting the usual crap about various changes being approved or apprecieated or somesuch of by Alan Moore. I remember thinking at the time that it sounded particularly out of character for Moore - looks like the man in question did too.
 
 
Mark Parsons
21:12 / 23.05.05
This is great news for Top Shelf, as LoEg V3 and so forth will be guaranteed hits. They are a magnificent company and this is exciting news.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:44 / 23.05.05
Y'know...

...is it just me, or has Alan Moore seemingly passed out of "Man Of Principle" territory and into "Actually Kind Of A Dick About The Whole Thing" territory?

He's done this indignant song-and-dance routine many, many times, and—it seems to my jaded and highly subjective eye, anyway—with this latest foofaraw he's done it once too often.

Once it seemed bold and righteous: but if you keep taking the option money, keep signing the deals, and then are shocked, shocked to find skulduggery going on, and noisily demand (again and again) that (yawn) your name be expunged from the credits, and insist (again) that you will not take one thin dime of the dirty money those bastards offered for raping your baby (of course, that money's not so poisonous that you won't give it to your pore 'umble artist-folk to receive with a tugged forelock and a wheezy "Bless ye, Guv!")...


...well. it no longer looks quite so bold. It looks self-destructive, frankly. Alan Moore seems hell-bent on making himself unemployable. At the very least, his behavior leaves him looking thin-skinned and precious and self-aggrandizing.

To me, anyway.

Is it just me?
 
 
This Sunday
00:07 / 24.05.05
LoEG he signed off on, but stuff like 'V' and 'Watchmen' he doesn't actually have control over, so it's a company decision. Even on things like the 'League...' series, he isn't the sole controlling party. So, I'd imagine, whether he's inclined or not, there's other people's interests to consider. I've done things I wasn't particularly interested in, because other people wanted it and couldn't without my participation, and I wouldn't expect Moore be the exception.
As for getting pissy because a publisher fucks you over or delays something for inane reasons, why not get pissed? It's not like he's hijacked a plane and carpet bombing the hell out of Marvel's NYC office or anything. Just refusing to work for them any longer.
Really, this is what I like about Moore - does good interviews, nice non-fictional write-ups, has a marvellous speaking voice and lectures entertainingly... his writing, sometimes I dig it, sometimes I just can't be bothered. Too over-plotted, too tight and dry.
 
 
DaveBCooper
08:45 / 24.05.05
As I understand it, Jack, following the Cast of Characters nonsense, Alan has asked for his name to be removed from the film versions of his work – V, Watchmen and Constantine alike – and asked that all the money be distributed amongst the other creators involved. So he’s not taking the option money any more.
And of course, re the above film versions, he didn’t hold ownership anyway – DC does. And Daytripper’s right to say that other people may well be a consideration – I’m under the impression that a factor in his decision to allow Marvel to reprint the Captain Britain stuff was that people like Dave Thorpe would also see some money. Ditto his decision not to cancel the ABC line when DC bought Wildstorm.

To be fair, four major creators quit DC over the idea of a rating system for comics in the late 1980s : Wolfman, Miller, Moore and (I think) Chaykin. And only one of them hasn’t gone back to work for DC since (if you take the firewall situation as presented): Alan Moore.

I seem to recall Alan conceded in his recent-ish Radio 4 interview that the ‘take my name off the films and give other people the money’ decision was one born of “well, if I’m going to react I may as well over-react”, and he recounted in increasingly mock-tearful tones how the green-lights for Constantine, V and Watchmen all came in shortly after that.

Anyway, it’s great news for Top Shelf, no question about that.
 
 
sleazenation
09:58 / 24.05.05
As others outline, after From Hell and LXG turned out so badly Moore instituted his - 'don't pay me, pay the others' policy.

It was after he was dragged through the courts for things he had nothing to do with and was misrepresented by Joel Silver that he finally pulled his current strop.
 
 
Warewullf
10:28 / 24.05.05
DC told Moore that he could not use a public domain story for a Cobweb tale for issue #8 of the Tomorrow Stories anthology.

What's this about?
 
 
sleazenation
10:40 / 24.05.05
The story was later published rather thinly disguised in a Top Shelf anthology
 
 
_Boboss
11:04 / 24.05.05
sorry, can someone clear this up?: so there's a loeg 1.5 that fits between the extant books and has music on it, AND a third book, mina's story or something, coming out later in the year? two new league bits on the horizon?
 
 
The Falcon
11:51 / 24.05.05
At the very least, his behavior leaves him looking thin-skinned and precious and self-aggrandizing.

To me, anyway.

Is it just me?


Well, no. I read the George Khoury, 'Extraordinary Works of..' book, and throughout gained the impression of Affable Al as a both peevish and obdurate individual at all stages of his development. Largely I'm inclined to agree with his stance, but certain things like his expulsion of Steve Bissette from his life seem borne of excess.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:56 / 24.05.05
>> Y'know...

>> ...is it just me, or has Alan Moore seemingly passed out of "Man Of Principle" territory and into "Actually Kind Of A Dick About The Whole Thing" territory?

Well, since it seems he's quit DC over something that a guy at WB film division, not DC Comics, did, I've been wondering this myself.

Although you could say he's still pissed over Levitz's previous interference and this is just the excuse (a weak 'straw that broke the camel's back') for finally getting out of DC.
 
 
Spaniel
15:13 / 24.05.05
Whilst I don't entirely agree with Jack's position, Moore seems like a bit of a difficult character.
Steve Bissette's contribution to A Portrait of an Extraordinary Gentleman is genuinely sad. It describes a relationship that went down the shitter because Alan Moore got it into his head that Bissette was some sort of hinderence. One day they were friends the next Moore wouldn't return any of his calls. It's been like that since the eighties, and according to Bissette, it still smarts.
Now, granted none of us will ever really know what went on there, but it fits with other apocryphal tales of Moorish bad behaviour.

That said, a LoEG OGN. HUZZ FUCKING ZAH.
 
 
Spaniel
15:16 / 24.05.05
Oh, and a volume after that! Jusss!
 
 
FinderWolf
17:14 / 24.05.05
Yes, very much looking forward to 2 more big LOEG stories.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:10 / 24.05.05
>> DC told Moore that he could not use a public domain story for a Cobweb tale for issue #8 of the Tomorrow Stories anthology.

>> What's this about?

Moore did a cobweb story that referred to Robert Heinlein and L. Ron Hubbard, as I recall - one of them (I forget who, think it's Hubbard) is the founder of Scientology and DC/Warner Bros. feared legal action by the very very rich Scientology/estate of the founder, since the story was about more intense magickal experiments that Crowley and these guys did years back. That's the deal as I understand it. The story was published in the Top Shelf anthology referred to above and was pretty cool (it was about Crowley's Babalon working).
 
 
FinderWolf
20:11 / 24.05.05
>> sorry, can someone clear this up?: so there's a loeg 1.5 that fits between the extant books and has music on it, AND a third book, mina's story or something, coming out later in the year? two new league bits on the horizon?

Re-read above where I excerpt the paragraphs where Moore clearly states the deal. The graphic novel coming soon is actually Vol. 2.5, and then Vol. 3 later.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:40 / 24.05.05
Babalon working? Hubbard? (joining the dots) does this mean there's a Moore story out there about Jack fucking Parsons??? Fantastic!
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
21:56 / 24.05.05
Jack fucking parsons? Is that some scene in From Hell I missed?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:47 / 24.05.05
If only.
 
 
matsya
23:16 / 24.05.05
Oooh, Babalon workings. Always interesting to see Warren Ellis's source material. He used that in his lovely HAUNTED Hellblazer story.

m.
 
 
Mark Parsons
02:47 / 25.05.05
"Well, no. I read the George Khoury, 'Extraordinary Works of..' book, and throughout gained the impression of Affable Al as a both peevish and obdurate individual at all stages of his development."

Hmm. I must have read a different version of the exact same book, cuz AM came off like a fine fellow IMO.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:50 / 25.05.05
Cool link, Haus, thanks for posting that. Nice and eerie.
 
 
The Falcon
16:48 / 25.05.05
Did you even read the same book?!?!

Nah, I mean he comes across as likeable, but he seems to hold grudges forever.
 
 
lukabeast
16:25 / 26.05.05
This is a pretty good read : Love and Rockets: The Occult World of John Parsons, picked it up a couple years ago after reading an article on JP in Fortean Times.
 
 
ghadis
20:41 / 26.05.05
Oooh, Babalon workings. Always interesting to see Warren Ellis's source material. He used that in his lovely HAUNTED Hellblazer story.

My god that story was the biggest pile of shite ever. Talk about badly researched disrespectful nonsense. The guy could at least have read up a bit about Crowley and Babalon. It read like it was written by some drooling idiot brother of Colin Wilson.

And for christ's sake if you're going to write a story set in Brixton and South London get a bloody A-Z. Walking up Coldharbour Lane to Stockwell, my arse.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:48 / 26.05.05
lukabeast, I think you mean Sex And Rockets. You're right, though. It is indeed a top book.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:50 / 26.05.05
Hang on, was "Haunted" the one that was basically Derek Raymond's "I Was Dora Suarez" only with some off-the-shelf occultism thrown in? Oh, and not as good?
 
 
ghadis
22:59 / 26.05.05
Yea, that was the one. Ellis is not fit to light one of Raymonds cigarettes IMHO. A total hack.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:29 / 01.06.05
yon khouris book i found to be rather ass-lickingly up it self. and a bit windy. no real critical commentary, just a chance for moore to go on and on about how brilliant he is.

which he is.

but he's a boring cunt too.

that accent does my head in.

and that 'once i've made up my mind . . ' bollocks.

if he's so committed to his word, why didn't he fucking leave his blessed northampton and the UK for good back in 1988/89 as he fuckin said he would, front cover V4Vendi?

all the same - pure luv his coameeks so ah dae! an i dpon't really care wqhere he publishes them . .
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:56 / 01.06.05
I didn’t find the accent did my head in when I was reading the book, no.

And he didn’t leave the UK as suggested in the V for Vendetta intro, as his domestic situation changed, I think; he was talking about taking his family and leaving, but as his family involved two women as well as his kids, I think he was talking about stuff like Clause 28 and other anti-nonheterosexual legislation (cf AARGH!). As his family parted ways shortly thereafter, and Clause 28’s recently been removed from the statute books, I guess those are some of the reasons why not.

Though not owning a passport is probably one reason not to leave the UK as well.
 
  

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