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Death's not what it used to be...

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:32 / 19.05.05
it may just be me, but as the DC Universe becomes more realistic, grittier, more aware of the darkness that lurks in human souls, is the consequence of all that gritty realism - viz, death, getting progressively less of a threat? Not in the sense that people don't die, but in the sense that they don't stay dead.

These examples are random, and there are no doubt many many others that buyck this trend, but consider for a moment how long Elast-girl managed to go between death and resurrection. Even though this was admittedly a bit freakish, she was a good 30 years in the ground before Byrne dug her up and touched here. Closer to home, Jason Todd and Hal Jordan, both yanked back to life this year (assuming Red Hood is Jason T. - has that been resolved?). Donna Troy carked it maybe two years ago and they seem to be trying to tell us that her return is somehow a major event. Firestorm pulled off the remarkable feat of dying and returning to life in between two issues of his own ongoing comic. Blue Beetle and Sue Dibney are simultaneously dead and not-dead, starring as they do in an ongoing series, and discussion is already ongoing about how Blue Beetle will be brought back. Northstar, to jump the rails, seems to be back already, but that might have been a dream sequence. Who reads Marc Millar?

Is it me, or is this getting silly?
 
 
Billuccho!
17:25 / 19.05.05
Northstar's back, but he's a ZOMBIE NINJA.

Anyway... no, death means nothing in comics anymore. It's highly rumored that Bucky is finally coming back, so that would leave, er... Uncle Ben as the only dead guy not to come back. And, well, the Waynes.

Give it another year.
 
 
Aertho
17:36 / 19.05.05
Should there be a distinction between motivating deaths, and circumstantial deaths?

Waynes, Uncle Ben, Bucky
Motivating to the superhero in question, adds value to a character

Donna Troy, Darkstar, Northstar
Circumstantial to the action in the narrative, adds value to a story

I assume Phoenix fits both and deserves her own category.

And supervillains don't count, right?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:41 / 21.05.05
I think the revolving door of death has been a joke in comics for so long, it's not even something I notice. The return of Hal Jordan as Green Lantern shows that, if you wait long enough, every story gets undone. It's part of the nature of the beast when it comes to serialized fiction.

It's funny that Marvel had a "no one comes back from the dead" policy for about 4 years, and people (including creators) got VERY upset and raged about it...which is amazingly silly when thought about outside of a comic book context.
 
 
This Sunday
01:00 / 24.05.05
Uncle Ben came back... sort of; clone. Had sex with Aunt May Clone, traumatized Deadpool, who then killed both of them.
People get killed (and unkilled) in comics, all the time. Hulk's sidekick that died of aids, Johnny and Susan Storms dad, Thomas Wayne and wife, a few thousand generic fuck-ups in the various 'Sin City' books. Superman.
Is resurrection of d-level characters who've been slaughtered in other comics, actually respectful? How about just creating new characters? Even if they're 'inspired by' or 'in the vein of' a new character's gotta have more mileage of respect than, y'know, the thirtieth return of Elektra where she puts a sai through Bev while Howard the Duck kneels and weeps, being punched in the head by Spectre-Beetle and the Ultimate Wonder Twins.
Or taking characters *who are living before the writer gets their hands on them* and pushing into new territory wiht them. Upping the odds and advancing what stories can be told about them. Morrison's 'Doom Patrol' as opposed to Byrne's, or even Ellis' Shadowcat vs the young teen who's never been in love before, that Claremont (re)introduced during his X-return of a few years ago.
 
 
diz
04:48 / 24.05.05
i think there's a lot less emphasis on thematic focus and cross-title continuity at the Big Two these days, which has an upside in that it frees creators up to go a little further out on their limbs. however, this is one of the manifestations of the downside. Keith Giffen goes out on his limb and Johns/Rucka/Winnick go out on theirs and the results get confused.
 
 
wicker woman
06:35 / 24.05.05
(assuming Red Hood is Jason T. - has that been resolved?)

Not quite yet. He's taken off the mask, and yes indeedy, Jason Todd peeks out from underneath (wearing an updated Robin mask for some odd reason), but it could just be more bullshit a la the Hush storyline.
 
 
This Sunday
02:23 / 28.05.05
I read 'Hush' all at once, instead of issue by issue, month by month, so that may flavor my take, but wasn't the elder Jason (aside from being silly-aged) a legit fake-out, rather than bullshit? By which I mean, there was no great plot-hole-leaping unbelievability inherent in the scene(s), as compared to, say, the Xorn-was-not-Magneto-but-his-sister or whatever happened a bit ago in the X-verse?
Of course, not cribbing from 'The Godfather' made 'Hush' much more enjoyable for me, in and of itself. Allusion is one thing (Desolation Jones and Chandler) but there were bits of 'Long Halloween' that just... so copied the scenes seemed fake.
So, other than Darkstar, anybody staying dead? Bucky came back during Peter David's Hulk run, Dragon's baby was switched for a ringer and since returned, Betsy Braddock's a dinoclone or so I hear, and Azrael should be the next character resurrected by someone wanting to show how much they loved a creator (specifically, Denny O'Neill), right before Ringtosser comes back.
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
04:43 / 28.05.05
I'm reserving judgement on the Bucky thing since...

1) Brubaker's Cap run is by far the best thing to happen to the character in my lifetime, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

2) It's a Cosmic Cube story, so I'm sure something fishy is going on.

The Jason Todd thing is pretty lame, though. I really don't think Winick is any good for the most part, so I'm a bit biased.
 
  
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