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Rogue #10 - SPOILERS

 
 
Uatu.is.watching
22:53 / 18.05.05
Okay, Spoilers ahead....




I just read Rogue #10. I don't really hold any of the solo x-books in too high regard, but I like Sunfire, and I bought into the idea of a fun, inconsequential team-up with Rogue & Sunfire taking on Lady Deathstrike & the Silver Samurai in Japan. I read the first couple parts and it was fun, I got halfway into this issue and I think "This is a nice fun team-up in a throwaway book." Then, Lady Deathstrike cuts off Sunfire's legs!!!

That's so wrong.

This is another example of Sue Dibney/Blue Beetle syndrome. Disrespecting a character with a long history, and messing 'em up for seemingly nothing more than shock value.

I hope he gets his legs back next issue and my ranting is all for nothing, but if that's not the case, WTF?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
23:58 / 18.05.05
They have robot legs in the Marvel Universe, you know.

Fuck it. Sometimes people have to get really badly hurt to show how dangerous being a superhuman is. Look at the X-Men Kebab in Astonishing.
 
 
osymandus
14:11 / 19.05.05
Ok aslong as issue 11 has the affect of super heated plasma and why its really bad for synthtic skin and circuitry ! Lady Deathstrike melted cyborg hoory . All thats left is well fingers
 
 
Jack Fear
16:14 / 19.05.05
OMG NOT SUNFIRE!!!

U R RAPING MY CHILDHOOD!!!!1!!

Seriously, though—is Sunfire anyone's favorite character? Wouldn't this sort of thing fall under the category of "natural selection," or maybe "trimming the deadwood"?

Or maybe it's all part of a set-up to have the crippled Sunfire return as a wheelchair-bound computer expert who provides useful information to the heroes when the need it most—a sort of electronic seer. An oracle, if you will.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:21 / 19.05.05
I have to say, the idea of Sunfire haviing his legs chopped off filled me with nothing other than glee. This probably makes me a hypocrite and possibly a nutter, but it's _funny_.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
16:37 / 19.05.05
Disrespecting a character with a long history

Well, that's the question, isn't it - do writers have an obligation to keep all characters pristine clean for all eternity, or should they be able to go about changing stuff. Personally, I don't see why the occasional character shouldn't get hir legs chopped off, as long as there's some sort of reason behind it other than simple "shock value".
 
 
osymandus
17:00 / 19.05.05
Good point , but why just heros ? The new darker realistic , critter style , would surely start filtering back , if not on 1st rate then maybe teh second string/supporting cast of villians as well ??
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:15 / 19.05.05
Question: if we are scoring respect out of 10, where 10 is Johnny Cash, say, and 1 is the Crazy Frog, how much respect exactly do you think Sunfire deserves?
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
18:30 / 19.05.05
Well, Sunfire's not my favorite character, certainly, and I have no problem with change. It was the fact that it just didn't seem to add much to the story (so far). Part of me thinks that it would sit with me a bit better if it happened during a "big event" like the House of M or something, but the rest of me acknowledges the fact it's not necessary to make a big deal over everything.

Now if Sunfire does get robot legs, then he'll be a tragic hero, like Johnny Cash, and will probably get a few more respectability points.
 
 
I am Invisible now
18:44 / 19.05.05
I think the solo x-books just need to go. Just think, if rogue di'nt have that crappy series out then the sunfire incident would'nt have occurred. My apologies, Im horrible. I just miss there being ONE x-book.....
But I kinda like sunfire also, and having his legs cut off is pretty messed up if you asked me.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
19:40 / 19.05.05
As an aside, I think the Johnny Cash Respect Scale needs to be universally adopted.
 
 
The Falcon
18:48 / 21.05.05
Sunfire is four on the respectometer, alongside such luminaries as 50 Cent and Danii (sp?) Minogue.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
04:22 / 22.05.05
Wait. If robot legs give you a higher score, then what would happen if Johnny Cash himself had robot legs?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:40 / 22.05.05
Is the Crazy Frog really that much 'better' than Johnny Cash though ? I quite liked a couple of things that he did, back there in the Fifties.
 
 
Aertho
11:49 / 22.05.05
Psst. Alex!

1 = BAD, 10 = RETHPECT
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:31 / 22.05.05
Apparently during the House of M fiasco Sunfire will be Emperor of Japan. That must mean Brian Bendis gives him at least a 7.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:32 / 22.05.05
Actually, why is Sunfire always more important in these alternate universe thingies than he is in 'real' life?
 
 
Aertho
18:53 / 22.05.05
Because in hindsight, he does deserve the 7. Sunfire's one of the most powerful and oldest of the X-Men, and he's also one of the first to split —thereby avoiding the inane drama and incest that the books get over time. He's foreign and patriotic and Good with an ego.

He's always figured in alternate timelines as being more than what 616 has, because contemporary writers realize that he's among the first residents of Wasted Potential Limbo.
 
 
The Falcon
21:45 / 22.05.05
I think it's because he's from what constitutes a minority group in the West and most Marvel writers don't seem to know what to do with these characters, except make them ninjas.

Original member of all-new, all-diff remember.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:22 / 23.05.05
Sunfire's problem is that he was saddled with an annoying personality. In a VERY old interview, Claremont said he wrote him out of the X-Men because they already had a character with an abrasive personality in Wolverine.

And while it's not disrespecting a character, it is amazingly stupid to cripple a character in a nothing book like Rogue. Good thing is, it is comics, so it'll be fixed as soon as someone feels like they have a decent story for him.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:19 / 23.05.05
Hey, you think Sunfire has problems, what about that Baron Von Nazi guy who sometimes fights Captain America or Nick Fury? He's a reanimated corpse and anyone he touches immediately turns into a zombie under his mind control. Now that's a power that must seriously muck up his social life.

"So, Baron, how was your date last night?"
"Ach, the usual: The candlelight, the music, we kissed on the balcony and then she tried to eat the Head Waiter's brains."

So let's not hear that villains have it easy.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
16:57 / 23.05.05
(Makes a note to file away the excellent character name "Baron Von Nazi" for future use)

I'll try to get you equity when the movie comes out.
 
 
This Sunday
20:28 / 23.05.05
The people working on 'Rogue' may not think of it as a 'nothing book' though. I'm not weighing in on the quality, myself, but for the writer, the artist, hell, even the letterer or colorist, this may be something they're really trying to put their all into, y'know? Whether that shows on the page, or anybody enjoys that all, is beside the point.
It's silly to make statements like 'don't do important things outside of important titles' because no comic serial gets important without doing things that might be considered, er, important. Without risk or innovation of some kind, who wants to read the book?
Personally, I think lopping of Sunfire's legs is kinda silly to do, but y'know, he's an ass ninety percent of the time, so maybe somebody out there's getting a thrill out of him getting fucked up. Sorta Bats/Guy one-punch.
It's the comics that do these things because it's intended to make them important and serious, that bug me. Larsen kills half his cast every dozen issues or so, but it's entertaining and it's not 'ooh, ooh! Look at me, I'm dark and gritty and intense!' so it doesn't rile me at all, and Ellis' killing of the title character in Druid all those years ago was a fine and sensible outcome. I liked the old Druid, I liked Ellis' take on the character, but in the end, killing him was a better story at the time.
And it's not like Oracle's got less a presence in the Batbooks than when she was Batgirl; Sunfire could, arguably, do something with his life that doesn't require walking. Loads of people do.
 
 
diz
21:29 / 23.05.05
Sunfire is at exactly the level of obscurity where casual fans will give the writer props for bringing him up. he is also fashionably ethnic, and pretty much the only Japanese superhero in the MU. he is, therefore, exactly the type of character who ends up being Emperor of Japan in wacky alternate universes.
 
 
This Sunday
21:54 / 23.05.05
And it's that 'The Japanese Guy' thing that annoys me more than anything. The, 'when in Japan' or 'Lord Emperor Ruler of All Japan' just like Ororo 'Queen of Africa' Munroe, et cetera.
He has an X connection with Rogue, so there's that in favor here, but was I the only one who really, really didn't enjoy the international politics of the 'Earth X' trilogy? Sunfire rules Japan! With robots! Black Widow and Petey the Russian Terminator? The hell?
You can stick Captain America in Japan and have him fight Lady Deathstrike, and there's an undercurrent of politics, patriot in a foreign land fighting a terrorist in her home country... that's got potential and there's some actual thought there, but 'he rules Japan 'cause he's Japanese...' No. That's just silly. That's Peter Parker for President, because he lives in the States silly.
Japan-of-Hulks as world conquering villain country of vile, despicable, psychotic violent musclemen and brain-types, with the odd dragon-tattooed seductress thrown in for good measure, silly.
And the Silver Samurai either needs to be retired, or they need to play up that he's just, immensely off his gourd. He's the Kuno-from-Ranma 1/2 of the Marvel Universe. With Wolverine as Ranma, obviously.
 
 
Warewullf
17:38 / 24.05.05
Just read (well, flicked through) this issue and found the thing that bothered me most was the wasy they kept showing you the fact the SUNFIRE'S GOT NO LEGS, NO MORE!

Top view? Got it.
Side view at an angle? Yup.

One more?
Sure!
STUMPS IN YOUR FACE!

Seriously, the last panel is a view from above where his right shin should be!

It's actually quite distasteful and a little upsetting...
 
 
osymandus
11:04 / 25.05.05
Hang on , cant Sunfire fly ? So techniquly his mobilty isnt going to be that radicly affected ? (steering might be a bugger mind !)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:52 / 25.05.05
[ Threadrot ]

doyoufeelloved (Makes a note to file away the excellent character name "Baron Von Nazi" for future use)
I'll try to get you equity when the movie comes out.


Take my name off the credits and distribute the money amongst the artists.

Unless there's lots of it.
 
  
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