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The Pioneer Anomaly

 
 
Papess
22:45 / 17.05.05
I don't usually post in this forum, but I didn't see anything about the Pioneer Anomaly here.

From the link:
"On its way out, Pioneer 10 became a useful partner in an experiment of celestial mechanics. By closely monitoring its trajectory, scientists might detect an unexpected gravitational tug that could betray the existence of the long-hypothesized Planet X. Based largely on unexplained motions in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, several 20th-century astronomers had suggested the existence of an undiscovered world at the edge of our solar system.

John D. Anderson, a veteran JPL scientist, took on the task of studying the Pioneer 10 and 11 radio signal data for any sign of Planet X. His search had come up empty. For this reason, among others, John and his team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory became convinced that the chance of discovering a 10th planet was slim, as they reported in the May/June 1999 issue of The Planetary Report. But in early 1980, John and his team began to see signs of something else—something quite unexpected. While searching for Planet X, we noticed that the tracking data did not quite fit with the existing solar system model. They showed an anomalous acceleration—in this case, an acceleration backward. It did not match any expected Planet X force, and we couldn’t immediately explain it. When theoretical models do not fit experimental data, standard scientific practice is to find a reason for the mismatch. Therefore, we embarked on a program to study the anomalous acceleration."


There are two things here. One being, discovering why this anomaly in the Pioneer's 10 & 11 velocity is occuring. The other, being able to save the Pioneer data which exists on a few hundred very old 7- and 9-track magnetic tapes, and can only be read on outdated computers. This is because NASA has decided to give up trying to figure out this anomaly and are going to destroy the only computers able to access and process that data in a few months.

Some of the hypotheses regarding this are:

-dark matter
-an acceleration of time
-a change (or misconception) in the laws of gravity

Taken from this link to spaceref.com.
 
 
astrojax69
00:20 / 18.05.05
Some of the hypotheses regarding this are:

-dark matter
-an acceleration of time
-a change (or misconception) in the laws of gravity


but if these hypotheses were true, wouldn't we have already seen this effect on planets' rotation round the sun, etc? they are just bodies moving through space, so would be subject to these forces, too, no?

or is the data on these insufficient? i dunno...

mebbe it is little green men clambering aboard to see who we are, the open door slowed the thing down a bit??

or the data is corrupt.
 
 
Papess
02:30 / 18.05.05
Dr. John Anderson has apparently been monitoring this for about 10 years. Data corruption was certainly one of the things he has checked for according to the article. (Plus an article I read in the Canadian National Post)

Personally, I find this fascinating, but I am entirely unqualified to make a viable hypothesis. I thought it might be something other barbelithers would like to chew on, though.
 
 
astrojax69
04:09 / 18.05.05
didn't mean to sound glib - though i re-read me and i do! sorry.

yep, compelling story and a mystery worth a solution. are they really gonna just smash up the computers? what would be the point? mebbe the solution will be a revelation for physics. i suspect dark matter, me. got to be friction, doesn't it?

time changing wouldn't have that much effect in such a short period, surely. the very suggestion that time is changing is based on galactic distances and timeframes, isn't it?


[threadrot] this issue about the computers and the data storage system highlights a stark fact about the information age and its corollary digital age - nothing is very archival any more, is it? we are still uncovering and deciphering heiroglyphs from egyptian tombs and the like. i can take an ansell adams' negativbe and make a picture from it. what of on-line manuscripts and digital images created now... will we still have any access to them in ten, twenty, fifty years time? will we bother trying to build machines to read them then, or just lose interest in the artefacts - discs etc - and go away, lesser? [/threadrot]
 
 
Triplets
15:28 / 19.05.05
Howabout a non-Terran comparison. Are comets, asteroids and meteors able to leave the solar system or are the susceptible to this effect? In which case, why isn't there a huge ring/sphere of crap on the fringe of the system?
 
 
grant
18:20 / 19.05.05
Behold the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud!

Not one, but *two* "rings of crap" around the edges of our solar system!

I wonder if there's some kind of gas in the Oort Cloud that we just haven't noticed yet. That seems really far fetched, but you never know.
 
 
grant
18:30 / 19.05.05
For further reading, here's a September, 2004 article written by a Los Alamos/JPL dude about experiments planned by the European Space Agency to figure this thing out.

And Wikipedia has a concise overview of the thing.

Kuiper Belt is mentioned as a possible source of drag -- and it says that a similar effect was (mmmaybe) detected with other probes, like Galileo.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:21 / 21.05.05
This is the first I'd heard of this. This is the kind of shit I absolutely love, but have an utter lack of knowledge about. My brain is currently reeling with possible explanations- all of them very science-fictiony (especially as regards the destruction of the computers- I feel one of Warren Ellis's better comics coming on), some of them very silly.
 
  
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