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GogMickGog
15:33 / 17.05.05
On bended knee, I emplore thee, oh Barbelithians..

I've been grovelling to all sorts this past month, desperately searching for some sort of Media work experience over the summer...most people have been kind enough to ignore me completely.

SO...I turn to Barbelith, and offer my services. I make a mean cup of tea and my photo-copying skills are of the very finest pedigree. I also have an extensive knowledge of Zombie movies, and a willingness to try anything(God, doesn't this sound like some horrific Lonely hearts Ad.?).
I have experience of Frontpage and journalism in general, as well as knowing how to work p.r. contacts etc...

please someone, end my misery...

Much love
Nick/Mick
 
 
Spaniel
15:40 / 17.05.05
What do you want to do? Who do you want to work for? What experience do you have? Do you want to get paid (for the work experience)? What's your current situation?

My Mum's an exec at Channel 4, so she MIGHT be able to help.
 
 
GogMickGog
15:51 / 17.05.05
Oh, crumbs, sorry..

I'd basically like experience in any media areas, be that publishing, magazines, television, radio, comics (oohh..comics!), literary. Whatever I can get.

I'm reading English at Cambs, so the written word is my safest place. I've been doing interviews, reviews, and articles for various uni publications, and also worked as Music Editor on the University paper. I co-present two radio shows onb Local radio too..Have also had previous experience at Total Film..I don't mind how big or small the company is, and would be keen to do pretty much anything...however the more left-of-centre, perhaps, the better
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:22 / 17.05.05
The Beeb is often looking for peons. And as for literary agencies/publishing, how about offering your skills as a reader of slush piles?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:52 / 17.05.05
You seem like a suspiciously optimistic and well-motivated young man. So why not spend your summer having your sprit crushed by doing work experience at Bloomsbury publishing house, home of the Harry Potter novels ? They're always looking for a fresh pair of hands...
 
 
Billuccho!
16:58 / 17.05.05
...to lop off at the wrists!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:06 / 17.05.05
You've worked there as well then...

Life in the publicity department should be particularly hellish this summer, what with the launch of 'The Half-Blood Prince.' Oh the hours of unpaid fun to be had with the office photocopiers.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:07 / 17.05.05
You'll make the first cuts yourself.
 
 
GogMickGog
18:09 / 17.05.05
Mr. Gin, any chance I could wing my way with you over at Bloomsbury? How do I go about getting some work?

Thanks Barbeloids, my love for you all is only increased by the vast quantities of free Champers I just blagged at a restaraunt opening...ah,Studentry!
 
 
Totem Polish
18:20 / 17.05.05
Hi, feel like an absolute coat-tail grabber, but I have recently found myself in the same position as Mick-Travis. If anyone has read the thread in Music and Radio they will realise we are both Cambridge English students trying to wangle our way into the world of modern media.

I'm just wandering if one dude barbeloid can take slight advantage of you wonderful people, could another perhaps ask if you're willing to let another take advantage of your work places for a week or two, for some experience this summer?

I've done a fair bit of music and theatre journalism in Cambridge and used to write for miuzik.com while still a young 'un (if anyone remembers those random folks). Haven't managed to spread my writings or what-not into the real world, but would jump at the oportunity. (does a star jump!)
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:08 / 17.05.05
Mr Travis; just write them a letter basically, or, better, give them a ring, publishing houses in general being past masters at not exactly prioritising unsolicited mail, let's say. I forget who it is specifically that you need to talk to, but whatever damned soul's answering the phones there these days will point you in the right direction. And they will be more than happy to hear from you, I'm sure.

This pretty much applies to most of the publishing houses in London - I can't say I'd recommend this if you're looking for a job at the end of it, or anything so gauche, but if not, just get hold of a copy of The Writers & Artists Yearbook and call up the places you like the sound of first, and then the others, and I'd be surprised if you don't get something. Reed publishing, incidentally, pay you ( not much, but still... ) cash in hand, nor are you especially expected to show up in the morning.

Brief qualifier - I did my time in the Eng Lit salt mines in the late Nineties, so as 'advice' this might be a bit of date, but on the other hand, I doubt things have changed much since.

Good luck ( and don't say I didn't warn you... )
 
 
The Strobe
20:44 / 17.05.05
Seriously, what Alex said: get a Writer's Yearbook, there'll be one in the UL so don't bother buying it. Get a copy of the Guardian Media Guide 2005. Write, ring, email. Send them stuff. Don't be fake; get enthusiastic about things. "Media" is a colossal thing; which bits are the pair of you wanting to get into?

Also: think small. Take every opportunity you can; take more unpaid/online opportunities because if you want to write then portfolio is one way ahead. Also, it might be the only opportunity you get to be creative - your main job could involve boring copy on stuff you don't care about.

If you're wanting to be journalists, consider a postgraduate qualification as well as work experience.

Frontpage? Yuck. I'd hope that wouldn't help you in your quest (if you mean the MS html mangler).

Finally: when you say you "have experience" what do you actually mean? Student journalism is often seen to demonstrate keenness, willing to put backside in, and intent to be a journalist - but it's rarely taken seriously as experience. Just so you're aware.
 
 
GogMickGog
20:41 / 18.05.05

I'm sorry, are you asking me or encouraging me?

Experience wise I've learned to edit language, organise writers, keep a coherent structure on a week-to-week basis, and manage and generate contacts with record labels, P.R., and even musicians.

ahem..
 
 
Whisky Priestess
21:41 / 18.05.05
Totally. So get your portfolio together with your best stuff and send it off with a nicely-phrased covering letter, to prove you can write. As varied as possible - editorial, features, reviews, opinion pieces etc. Or else specialised if you're particularly interested in e.g. music reviewing. You have nothing to lose and once you have your foot in the door you can make yourself indispensable, or at least very useful.
 
 
haus of fraser
08:25 / 19.05.05
If there's one thing that won't help you out its the vagueness of the request- um er i wanna work in media?

eh? sorry mate we make TV here...

I'm just saying vagueness shows a lack of interest/ enthusiasm- not good in a competitive industry with no experience.

I work for a company that makes music videos and commercials, we get 20- 30 unsolicited CV's per week! Yes they all go in a file- but no-one looks in said file unless we have a real emergency. Those that have a comprehending of the jobs they would be doing ie. starting out as a runner will be put in a different file- those that phone up and speak to the boss about work experience possibilities etc- may- or may not get a meeting- those that get a meeting are much more likely to get offered work....

Its about using your own initiative and demonstarting to a potential employer that you want to work...

hope this helps- and really, really drop the media thing it makes me cringe...
 
 
Sax
08:54 / 19.05.05
And make sure you spell "plea" correctly on your letter.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:07 / 19.05.05
And I was doing so well not mentioning that. Sax, you swine.
 
 
The Strobe
09:17 / 19.05.05
Experience wise I've learned to edit language, organise writers, keep a coherent structure on a week-to-week basis, and manage and generate contacts with record labels, P.R., and even musicians.

Cool. Bear in mind that this shows initiative; not very much of that will be put to use in your first job, to begin with.

To provide some reference for the "journalism" side of "media": I was interviewed for an Editorial Assistant position on a new magazine. In the interview I was told that my salary would start at £12k and maybe rise to £14k by the end of two years; at separate points I was both overqualified for the job (because of the degree I had) and underqualified for the job (because, unlike any other applicant, I had no NCTJ qualification); I would mainly be doing admin and shifting boxes, organising photoshoots - and after about a year I might get to write short (100-200 word) reviews; the job was in Surrey. I almost could have coped if I'd gotten on with the guy and known precisely what the publication was (they hadn't been entirely up front, for reasons that take too long to write here).

Ten people were interviewed, chosen at random from 300 who applied. I was not called back for a second interview; by the end of the first, I'd realised how little I wanted the job. But it's a very popular way into journalism, and one that you can progress from if you're prepared to sweat it out. A traditional way, for sure.

Lots of student journalism stuff on my/your CV: that's cool. Now put it on hold and get used to the idea of being a dogsbody, at least for 12 months. Alternatively, consider working for B2B or trade magazines, because you will get lots of experience and a fair amount of responsability - you'll also be writing about social housing, or bricks, or pneumatics. I know a lot of good people, really top writers, doing that out of postgrad journalism courses, who are very grateful to be employed.
 
 
GogMickGog
12:42 / 19.05.05
Umm,

just wanted to post another slice of "thank you very much" to the assembled throng of Barbeloids. Really appreciate the comments guys, be they kind or cruel.

Yes, I can't spell Plleegh (see, happened again!..) and I also HATE the term "Media" but part of the problem is that I'm not really sure exactly what I want to do. I did some work experience last year at a film mag, and the staff there were mostly so un-intelligent and un-inspired, that I was kinda side-tracked. Now I'm not being intellectualy snobbish, I'd just like to think that there's a job out there somewhere, where I could work alongside people I feel similar too. No?

I want to write, I don't want to be merely a passive observer of culture.
I see journalism as a good means of both building up a portflio and also life experience.
Am I barking up the wrong tree?

As always, many thanks

Nick
 
 
GogMickGog
12:45 / 19.05.05
Yes, I spelt "intellectually" wrong.
The irony is not lost on me...I AM A WORM!!
*weeps in the corner*
 
 
Sax
12:56 / 19.05.05
I see journalism as a good means of both building up a portflio and also life experience.
Am I barking up the wrong tree?


Basically, yes. Journalism is a tough job that requires a lot of commitment, a willingness to be abused by skinny-assed numpties with Estuary accents, an acceptance that your social life is of secondary importance to the covering of a parish council meeting, and the acknowledgement that all this is rewarded with shite pay.

If you've got all that, then by the time you've been enticed into the dripping maw of journalism and settled into it, you're too institutionalised to get out and you find yourself wondering if you perhaps shouldn't have worked in a bank for the desired "life experience".

It is a rather good job, though.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:05 / 19.05.05
I AM A WORM!!

Just keep on telling yourself that, and you'll go far in publishing.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
14:35 / 19.05.05
Yeah, I agree. The fun stuff is paid either
a) nothing
or
b) loads - once you've spent years doing the shit stuff for very little money.

Unless you're Julie Burchill, amazingly lucky, win a competition, or have friends or family in the desired industry.

Soz.
 
  
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