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Shroomers Beware!

 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:19 / 16.05.05
In a month or so from now, possession of raw "Magic Mushrooms" (aka psilocybin) will be treated by the police in the UK as a Class A drugs offence. Clause 21 of The 2005 Drugs Bill has closed a previous loophole whereby fresh magic mushrooms were legal to possess. Now the possession of freshly-picked mushrooms can be treated by the police in the same fashion as possession of heroin or crack cocaine, i.e. maximum penalties of seven years imprisonment plus an unlimited fine for possession & Life imprisonment plus an unlimited fine for supplying or dealing or "possession with intent to supply". The Bill received "royal assent" earlier this month.

The Bill does not appear to cover Fly Agaric or Salvia divinorum. It also makes provision for police to enforce testing (via ultrasound scanning or x-rays) of persons who are suspected to have swallowed packages of drugs.
 
 
jeed
15:19 / 16.05.05
twas a cunning plan by the government: make it known that they're technically legal, allow the loophole to be exploited to such an extent the Daily Mail et al. are getting twisted knickers and shops in the high street are stocking them, then woooomph, "big problem...must close loophole...think of the children". Genius.

So where does this leave getting down on your hands and knees and munching them from the source?
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
15:53 / 16.05.05
they were made illegal in Canada in 1995, while the nation was watching the results of the referendum to see if Quebec was going to become a sovereign nation... oh, and by the way, psilocybes are now illegal...

does that include cyanescens mushrooms? also quite potent for visiting the nether regions of the mind...

maybe legislators could imbibe them before making decisions equivocating them with crack...

egads.

ta
pablo
 
 
trouser the trouserian
15:58 / 16.05.05
Toast
Well, bear in mind that you could potentially be treated the same as any other Class A drugs user. The Bill gives the police the power to test for Class A drugs on arrest (whereas previously, they had to wait until one was charged) and require those who test positive to attend an assessment. The police (and other bodies) can test quite easily now using electronic kits & wipes.
They could also hold you in custody for up to eight days pending further assessment, if they suspected you'd swallowed mushrooms in order to avoid being caught with them on you. As I said earlier, they can enforce the use of x-rays & ultrasound scans.

The government have estimated that there are over 400 outlets in the UK selling magic mushrooms and test cases against some of these outlets are already underway. They are also working on figures from 2002-2003 which indicated that 180,000 people used magic mushrooms during that year.

Under previous UK law, if for example a farmer caught you munching shrooms on land with public access, he couldn't do anything about it. Presumably that will change. Also, if you're caught munching on or near land used by children, you could potentially face stiffer sentencing. Also, there's a clause about being caught with more drugs than reasonable for personal use (though quite how this will be determined is unclear) can also lead to stiffer sentences.
 
 
power vacuums & pure moments
15:59 / 16.05.05
Out of interest have there actually been any recent [or otherwise] mushroom related serious accidents/fatalities in the uk? I havent heard about any. I guess the idea of blocking the bill through EU trade laws didnt happen then.

Laughable really, since anyone with a plastic pot and some perilite can grow their own.
 
 
LykeX
11:03 / 17.05.05
What's the word on mushroom spores? Are they still legal as long as you aren't growing them?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
11:27 / 17.05.05
dunno - spores are not mentioned in the bill
read it for yourself here
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:41 / 18.05.05
Genius.

6 months ago, they slapped VAT on them, having decided they are not, strictly speaking, 'food'.

Now, they are going to send you to prison for having some.

Jeeezus holy war christ on a reindeer. The psychedelic struggle takes an unexpected left turn.

Its great here, innit? Lets start a war and make my on of my favourite pasttimes punishable by 7 years in the slammer.

Still, at least this will curb those nefarious mushroom addicts from robbing old grannies to get their next fix.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
09:10 / 18.05.05
I spoke to a legal-eagle mate last night and he is of the opinion that Judges will be directed to interpret Clause 21 in the widest possible sense - so that even possession of
psilocybin spores could possibly lead to a prosecution. There will undoubtably test cases on the basis that the 2005 Bill is an infringement of Human Rights.
 
 
LVX23
18:13 / 18.05.05
Welcome to my world. We've long suffered psychedelic persecution here in the states, the mandatory-minimums sentencing being the most foul. Control systems know very well, thanks to the Summer of Love, just how effective psychedelics are at undermining their authority and invalidating many of the fundamental premises of capitalism and consumer culture (not to mention encouraging people to drop the fear and actually start liking each other and forming communities). I'm sure Blair was either educated or pressured (probably both) on this point by BushCo. We've been putting the hurt on many countries throughout the world to "encourage" them to maintain draconian drug laws.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
18:23 / 18.05.05
from the files of political paradox:

cannibis, coca, psilocybin: all illegal, all of which we've developed relationships with over the course of thousands of years (probably tens of thousands, but choose your own history). Yet opponents to legalisation cry "more research is needed."

how many more volunteers do they need?

genetically modified plants, animals & fungi: legal, encouraged, all of which we've had in our biosphere for a few decades. at most.

and I say, "hmmmm."

ta
pablo
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:15 / 18.05.05
I suppose it was predictable enough that the government was going to be 'seen to be doing something' about this sooner or later, but while I could be wrong here, it's interesting to think that this legislation doesn't seem to be a response to much in the way of public demand. Unless I just missed them, the tabloid campaigns, moral witch hunts and so on never seemed to materialise, there have been no protesters outside the Camden Mushroom Company, say, and I'm not even sure the police were all that bothered. As would not have been the case if someone had found a loophole in the laws on heroin, for example. 'Shroom use, in other words, seemed like something that UK society was by and large prepared to tolerate, which makes the proposed reclassification doubly absurd. A further irony being that crack and heroin users have at least got the option of raising their addiction ( whether real or, erm, less so, ) as a mitigating factor if they end up in court. No one's going to buy that from a mushroom fancier, however.

Still, trying to look on the bright side, at least glue's still legal folks !
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
20:57 / 18.05.05
It actually makes me want to smash something.

This week, I am paying VAT to the government on a purchase, and enjoying it at my leisure, with friends.

Next week, I can be sent to jail for seven years for doing precisely the same thing?

Owzatappenthen?

Fucking monkey bollocks and turkey jism to the lot of every fucking cunting thing.

I've had a miserable fucking day.

My mates own the Camden Mushroom Company, so they are all losing their livelihood (branching out into Salvia...yeah, that makes sense, really predictable and friendly stuff...???. I'd like to see the whole cabinet take a hit on a x10 bong of Salvia, actually.)
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
21:00 / 18.05.05
I might mount a 'religious case' to Glenda Jackson actually. No point voting and then leaving it up to the lizards to have their way.

Must investigate.
 
 
Never or Now!
01:07 / 19.05.05
Yeah, what Alex said. It was pretty obvious that the mushroom kits would be made illegal eventually, but this is ridiculous and creepy. I presumed it would take a major FUCK-UP - I imagined somebody, most likely myself, stuffed full of shrooms, murdering pregnant actresses and then jumping off the top of a 15-storey building after spending eight hours staring at the sun through binoculars and then getting up and running naked through town into Barclay's Bank and shitting on the floor, like Hakim Bey says to do in "T.A.Z."

...but no. Nothing. They saw that a lot of us were taking the mushrooms and so they banned them. It's good to know where you stand.

If there's a serious attempt to challenge this - the "religious case" - then I'd be interested in getting involved. We wouldn't win but we could at least get some more momentum going... (Any amount of momentum being more than NONE.)
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
17:57 / 24.05.05
WAHEY!

Money $hot engages with democracy!

Via The new faxyourMP.com

Tuesday 24 May 2005

Dear Glenda Jackson,

I have never written to an MP before, indeed until the recent general
election I had never exercised my right to vote before; since I was
inspired to do so this time round, I thought I'd really take up the
baton, so to speak, and address my local MP as well over an issue that
has come to my attention.

Some friends of mine have been earning their living the past couple of
years by procuring and selling, from a market stall in Camden, so
called 'magic' mushrooms. That is, mushrooms from around this
beautiful, bountiful planet of ours which contain the chemical compound
known as Psilocybin. Their company is the Camden Mushroom Company, and
they have stalls in Camden, Portobello Road, and a mail order service.
Young entrepreneurs, you see?

This fungus is no doubt popularly referred to as 'magic' because of the
astounding effect the compound Psilocybin has on the perceptual
funtioning of those who consume it. Indeed, our far distant ancestors,
stretching back long before civilisation as we know it, and the
attendant systems which have grown from it (such as, say, democracy,
and global trade, and the military-industrial complex) were apparently
so stunned by this effect, that the mushroom itself was elevated, as
with so many such psychoactive natural plants, to a sacred status, and
used in religious and sacred worship rites all across Europe. The
evidence for this is compelling, being present in cave art dated tens
of thousands of years old.

There is an argument, the stregth of which I would leave to your good
self if you can be bothered or are interested enough to pursue its
origin, that the psilocybin mushroom was in fact the unknown sacrament
used by the ancient Greeks in the Eleusinian Mysteries. If you are so
inclined, you can read a little about this at
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/e/eleusis.html
and the theory itself in the Terence McKenna book 'Food of the Gods'.

Anyway, fresh magic mushrooms have, in a curious little twist of
English law, been legal to possess and supply since the regulation of
such things began nearly 90 years ago. Strangely, if dried out, the
mushrooms mysteriously 'became' a Class A drug, possession of which is
punishable by up to 7 years in prison - along with thieves, thugs,
rapists and killers.

For possessing a - dry - mushroom.

But, fresh, perfectly legal. One wonders if the legislature that pass
these laws might not have been rather partial to some of the substances
they were banning - or leaving for their own enjoyment, as the case may
be.

About a year ago, the Government decided, in its wisdom, that magic
mushrooms, though perfectly legal to sell if fresh, should be subject
to sales taxation since they are not, strictly speaking, 'food', and so
not, strictly speaking, exempt.

They are food, of course, but the intent for which they are sold is
more sacred or, as you may have it, recreational. One man's religion,
after all, is another mans dull ceremonial claptrap, or one mans
sacrament is another mans relaxing tipple. Like wine, say, or beer,
though of course these other legal psychoactive drugs require man-made
intercessionary processes, while mushrooms just grow wild (typically in
cow and sheep excrement in the British countryside. Indeed, cows and
sheep regularly consume them. Although I am now a vegetarian, when I
ate meat I would much rather have eaten beef from a cow mad on magic
mushrooms than one mad on pigs spinal cord, another fabulous innovation
of modern 'civilisation'. I'm sure you'd agree.)

So, anyway, VAT was added to the sale of magic mushrooms. Ho hum.

The effect of magic mushrooms is not something I will go into here,
though you can of course read all about it at online resources such as
http://www.erowid.org

Suffice to say, it is considered by most of its users sacred, profound
and a key to accessing a larger than usual state of consciousness; a
spirit world, even.

This mushroom has been growing all over the planet for hundreds of
thousands of years, has been used in sacred rites by man for at least
tens of thousands of years, and will continue to grow, yes even in Her
Majesty the Queens own lands, for many years to come. It is completely
natural.

So why, on this one Earth which we all have to share, is it being made
illegal this summer?

Why is it that this weekend I can pay £15 pounds, of which £2.24 will
be passed onto Customs & Excise, and share a spiritual experience with
my friends, at our leisure, as my ancestors may have done for dozens of
millenia, free as a citizen of this country to exercise my right to
religious freedom; but, next weekend, for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING,
I can be locked up at Her Majesty's pleasure, along with thieves,
thugs, rapists and killers, who have transgressed the rights of others
to live their lives without fear, for up to 7 years? Does this strike
you as sane?

I do not understand. This is not, cannot be the business of Government?
Please, please explain to me how and why this ridiculous and absurd
nonsense is becoming law. Declaring a mushroom to be illegal? One year
after slapping VAT on the sale of the same?

Again - declaring a mushroom to be illegal?

What next? I have heard, though I have never investigated, that nutmeg,
if ground into milk, has psychoactive properties, though I gather the
nausea that occurs with it is somewhat unpleasant. Are we to ban the
sale of nutmeg also? Criminalise the patisseries with their fiendish
nutmeg cakes?

And what about bananas? The skins, if dried, can be smoked to produce a
high? Shall we lock up the greengrocers and ban bananas? A little
consistency is surely required here.

It is a terrible, sad, pompous and ridiculous thing to do,so full of
hubris and characteristic, I fear, of the New Labour we have all grown
to recognise in the past 10 years or so.

I consider you to be a reasonable and rational MP, I admire the way you
vote on most issues, and I look forward to your response. i would like
to know how I can go about reversing this stupendously daft piece of
pointless legislation.

Yours sincerely,

Money $hot
Mushroom Eater



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(Signed with an electronic signature in accordance with subsection 7(3)
of the Electronic Communications Act 2000.)
 
 
alejandrodelloco
22:36 / 24.05.05
That was absolutely lovely, Money $hot!

I wish I could talk that kind of sense to US legislators. Too bad they are too busy being retarded.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
09:52 / 27.05.05
Hmmm, no response from Glenda so far.

I think I'll try again, perhaps a bit shorter and with less sarc. The sarc I now read in there wasn't really intentional at the time, but I didn't read it through after writing it, just hit 'send', and it could have done with a little edit here and there. Print comes across that way sometimes, eh?

Oh well. I'll try again on Monday.
 
 
pornotaxi
21:26 / 27.05.05
great letter to glenda. though i note in one sentence you mention being a citizen of the country, and also able to be locked up at her majesty's pleasure. and that's just it - we aren't citizens in the uk, we are subjects of the royals, without constitution. it is her government, not ours.

i'm thinking, perhaps we can have reindeer shipped over from scandinavia to consume the mushrooms, then we can drink their piss without having to actually touch any of that illegal fungus.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
09:40 / 31.05.05
Yes, or the toads. Bring on the toads.

The Camden ToadLicking Company. It's a winner surely?

For any London-based, particularly North London based Lithers who give a flying pigs piece, please please please head down to Camden to sign the petition...Camden Mushroom Company are both in the Green Market on the left hand corner as you face it and opposite outside that shoe-shop on the cortner of the road that has MegaCity Comics on it...They have petitions that really need signatures.

[cynic]For all the bloody good it will do[/cynic].

Thanks, btw, about the letter. I think I'll send one once a week until I get a reply.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
07:15 / 04.06.05
I got a letter from the House of Commons!

Shall we open it *together*?

Here we go :

Dear Money $hot,

Thank you for your fax of 24th May regarding the sale of 'magic mushrooms'.

I have taken note of the points you make and have also raised your concerns with the Home Secretary. When I have received a reply I will contact you again.

Yours Sincerely

Glenda Jackson


Well, there you go. I think I'll write another one. Back soon.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:15 / 04.06.05
A proposed draft of my letter to Frank Dobson, MP;

Dear Mr Dobson,

First of all let me say that as one of your constituents, I voted for you, even if a lot of other people didn't ! ( The amount of shit I took in the pub afterwards for that, Mr B - well I'm sure you can imagine; it's not always easy being a Dobson supporter, so it must be doubly hard being the thing in itself ! You are a courageous man ! )

And it's in that respect that I'm appealing to your better nature, Mr F ( If I can call you that - it seems a bit presumptious, but then I did vote for you, when a lot of other people, etc, ) when I ask you, why all this trouble The Party is causing with regard to the changes in the legal status of psilocibin mushrooms ? They just seem to sit there, those people... Let's face it, if they weren't high all the time they'd probably be protesting about the Third World or something, so I can't help but feel that by introducing this legislation The Party that you and I both love, Mr B, is kind of pissing on it's own chips.

Looking forward to your response.

Keep the dream alive !

Yours... sincerely ? Faithfully ? Oh what the hell, Love,

Alex.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:15 / 11.07.05
One week to go as of today.

The Bill will become law on Monday 18th July, 2005.

My mates and I went absolutely bananas at the weekend with Mexican mushies, Cubensis truffles and a healthy weight of Hawaiian beauties...aaah, Hawaiian Mushrooms, aren't they just the Royal Fungus? Beautiful blue bizniz.

Splendid.

I got another letter from Glenda J and a two page document from Paul Goggins (I think), who is in charge of drug policy in UK gov. Do you think I am on some list somewhere as a mushie guzzling hippie enenmy of the state?

According to the obviously enlightened Mr Goggins, mushrooms are dangerous because users are susceptible to 'self harm'. Errrrrrrr......

If it's all about harm reduction, maybe enlisting in the Armed Forces should be illegal? Indeed, roughly 30 people / year die getting out of the bath. Let's Legislate!!!

In fact, public transport has claimed more lives in the past week than magic mushrooms have, ever. Go figure.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
09:17 / 07.02.06
Ahem. This has come into being for those who would support action to revert the legislation regarding shrooms in the UK.
 
 
Quantum
10:01 / 07.02.06
They get a lot of signatures at festivals... but I think the reclassification debate will continue as long as Stale Labour have a schizophrenic approach to drugs.
Magic Mushrooms class A like Heroin and Crack, Ketamine class C like hash? No distinction between White Widow skunk and cheap resin? Hmmm... it gets worse and worse as time goes on I swear. Stupid, stupid government. I know it's old hat but WTF?
 
 
Anthony
10:13 / 07.02.06
i was wondering, do they have to sit around trying all these drugs out to determine which class they should be in? i wonder if Blair is regularly heard to say to his colleagues - go and score me some smack, i need to re-evaluate whether this should be class A or class B.

well what did you expect? freedom? !
 
 
xytar with a Z
19:08 / 10.02.06
Does this apply the The British Virgin Islands? We're headed down there on a sailing trip the first week of March.

I've haerd that the Full moon Party at Bomba's Love Shack is not to be missed! = free tea!
 
  
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