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alejandrodelloco
03:54 / 16.05.05
Just out of curiosity, how would Tom feel about making the source to Barbelith avaliable to curious individuals to tinker with? Out of any forum, I have generally felt comfortable with Barbelith and would love to be able to use something of a similar fashion for my own forum-y needs. I mean, would you give it if asked, or is it kind of a no-go?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:55 / 16.05.05
I can't speak for anyone else, but surely the Barbelith source is purely for Barbelith, and making another forum would just be like making Barbelith but smaller and none of the cool 'lithers on it?
 
 
alejandrodelloco
15:07 / 16.05.05
Well, if I want to make my own forum for other purpouses and be able to use this sort of format, moderation, etc., it is intended to be different. The main thing is that I find phpBB to be the ugliest thing of all time.
 
 
The Strobe
15:53 / 16.05.05
I think he'd say no. I think Cal would also say no, incidentally, as Cal wrote pretty much all of it, to a spec from Tom - who did the visual design.

It is, from what I can tell, in an "incomplete" state and not designed for outside developers to look at. To be honest, I'm not even sure it's really that complex an application. But what it is is entirely custom-built for Barbelith, with its strange user-led moderation features and simple interfaces. It's designed for the ethos behind the forum.

What I fail to explain to people regularly is that making a forum is about the people on it. Barbelith is like it is because of the community it's trying to be and the values Tom wants to instill in it. Tom will explain this way better than me, I'm sure. But basically: it's not designed for anyone else. So why should you want to look at something very custom? It's not Open Source, after all.

Then there's the fact that communities are tight, and keep their defences up - especially ours. Having others poking around source code is not a way to keep it secure.

I can't speak for Tom, but I'd put big money on him saying no. So: either look at building your own system (they're fun to work on, and there's so many ways of implementing moderation and societal stuff that PHPBB ignores), or try something like PunBB which is lightweight, compliant, and attractive.
 
 
Issaiah Saysir
17:41 / 16.05.05
>but<
If you right click and select "view source" you have all the source code minus the graphics for that page. Copy and paste to the text app of your choice.
 
 
The Strobe
18:48 / 16.05.05
Issiah: he doesn't mean the markup (the HTML source which makes the words appear and look pretty). He means the PHP source (which is all the dynamic magic that pulls content from the database and handles how your posts appear).

You can't view PHP source; it's preprocessed by the web server, and serves you HTML as a result.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:06 / 17.05.05
I'd agree with Paleface- obviously, I can't speak for Tom or Cal, but I imagine they'd say no for the reasons PF's outlined. Apart from anything else, there's the security aspect.
 
 
invisible_al
15:13 / 18.05.05
The answer from Cal when I asked a long time ago was that he did the site as a favour to Tom and anyone else would probably not be able to afford the market rate for the software. He also mentioned that it wasn't in a state he would feel comfortable giving to someone else.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
15:56 / 18.05.05
Okay. Thanks for essplainin. I guess ifn's I want to make something similar, I'd have to do it from scratch.

I know that the *forum* is the people on it, but it is just the raw, stinky shell that I wanted to borrow, mostly because it is so simple/easy to use. Your arguments make a lot of sense, though.
 
  
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