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Filibusters and the nuclear option

 
 
Hieronymus
19:54 / 12.05.05
Be warned. This is probably very messy and slightly incoherent. But I'm still reeling from the Salon article mentioned below.

So for the past few months or so Congress has been almost ablaze and abuzz with the controversy over the appointment of a few extremist Christian Right judges to the Federal Appeals Court bench. 7 of these 10 judges have already been sent to the Senate Floor for nomination last year, only to be blocked by Democrats then. Undeterred, Bush turned around and sent them through again, only armed this time with the threats of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (who intends to make a presidential bid in 2008 and is a shill for the Extreme Religious Right). Frist is threatening Democrats with what Republicans named 'the nuclear option' (or more recently, in their usual Orwellian tiptoeing, the 'constitutional option'. Because people didn't like the sound of nukular).

First, just to give you an idea of how dire the opposition of these judges is, I recommend you read this article on the two WORST examples, Priscilla Owen and Janice Brown.

Janice Brown is on record as having said FDR was a socialist. She believes that the government has no business in people's lives (ironic for a judge to say that), believes that job safety laws, environmental protections, practically every law changed since 1937 as a matter of fact, is unconstitutional. She holds that the separation of church and state is also unconstitutional and has equated Social Security with cannibalism. She's the worst of the arch-conservatives, with a history of explosive, anti-mainstream, pro-business rulings.

Priscilla Owen is also a rabidly pro-business judge, having ruled on several occasions in the favor of corporations which have contributed to her election campaigns, never recusing herself when anyone of them have entered her courtroom. The woman is as crooked as they come.

Back to the issue at hand. You have to keep in mind, these appointments to federal courts are lifetime appointments, and to put it succinctly, gateways to the Supreme Court. Were SC judges like Renqhuist or O'Connor to retire, as they've mumbled about in past years, these would be the people jockeying for their seats. So be it on just a federal circuit level or the highest level, these judges and their interpretation of law and of the Constitution will stick, for decades. Moderate judges, who will rule by the law and not by fitting to their own views, are essential.

Because of the extreme right wing nature of judges like Owen and Brown, the pressure is collosal on the GOP to get them approved and get them approved quickly. The Religious Right looks at appeals court rulings in favor of gay marriage and the recent Supreme Court strikedown of anti-sodomy laws as a rallying cry for change in the judiciary. Unfortunately for Republicans, there is a weapon available to the Democrats trying to oppose these nominations: the filibuster. Basically, under current Senate rules, "senators in the minority can indefinitely delay a floor vote on judges -- or on just about anything else, for that matter -- by engaging in extended debate."

I could go into a summary on what the filibuster means and how the nuclear option will take a wrecking ball to any minority party's attempts to filibuster... but this Salon article, breaks down the whole complicated (and man is it complicated) issue into small, digestable morsels and does a far better job of it than I would. If Frist pulls the nuclear option, it will set a dangerous precedent for the future, stripping the minority party (be it Republican or Democrat) of any real ability to oppose the machinations of the majority.

Chilling stuff from a party seeking complete and absolute power in government.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
23:24 / 12.05.05
Heh, there was a very confused thread about this earlier...

I have a feeling/hope that the GOP are beginning to lose it, and the nuclear option is just so unpopular that it isn't going to happen, kind of like Mr DeLay or the Social Security privatization.
 
 
Professor Silly
20:39 / 13.05.05
So far it's all just talk.

Dems are threatening a fillibuster, but they haven't actually done it yet.

Repubs are threatening a rule change, but they haven't done it yet.

...nevermind that a lot of the open judicial seats have been open since the Clinton administration, when the Repubs fillibustered his nominees.

That said, if the Repubs do change the rules, it will come back to bite them in the end (pun intended).
 
 
ibis the being
21:19 / 13.05.05
Back to the issue at hand. You have to keep in mind, these appointments to federal courts are lifetime appointments, and to put it succinctly, gateways to the Supreme Court. Were SC judges like Renqhuist or O'Connor to retire, as they've mumbled about in past years, these would be the people jockeying for their seats.

Well, while not untrue I think this a wee bit misleading. There are hundreds of federal judges, and this seven contested judges are just the few that the Democrats don't like. The Democrats in the Senate have already okayed about 95% of the over 200 Bush judicial appointments brought before them. So the key issue is not that these awful judges might destroy the country in the circuit or that they'll get on the fast track to the Supreme Court... it's that the Republicans want to change Senate rules to secure total control over the general process of appointing judges, which could later allow them to force unsavory SC Justices through the Senate.

It's not "all talk" at this point, exactly, it's just that the time for voting on the judges has not yet come up. When it does, the Democrats will filibuster. It's standard procedure, happens all the time in the Senate, also on legislation. If the Republicans exercise the nuclear option, which I highly doubt given a great deal of dissent from their consituents over this & Schiavo, then the Democrats have promised to make Senate proceedings a slow, torturous hell until the next elections.
 
 
Hieronymus
21:40 / 13.05.05
ibis, i particularly get a kick out of Harry Reid's retaliation plan if the Republicans succeed with the nuclear option. To introduce legislation that Republicans would be insane not to vote for.

He must've took notes in '96 when Gingrich pulled practically the same shenanigans and paralyzed the government completely. Instead of risking that kind of political backlash, Reid'll unload plans to grind Republican legislature to a halt by putting the spotlight directly on women's health care, gas prices and fiscal responsibility.

It's genius.
 
 
ibis the being
22:27 / 13.05.05
Yeah... but then again there's something sick about the idea of this legislation being wielded as a punishment rather than because - you know, it's right for the country?

1. Women's Health Care (S. 844). "The Prevention First Act of 2005" will reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions by increasing funding for family planning and ending health insurance discrimination against women.

2. Veterans' Benefits (S. 845). "The Retired Pay Restoration Act of 2005" will assist disabled veterans who, under current law, must choose to either receive their retirement pay or disability compensation.

3. Fiscal Responsibility (S. 851). Democrats will move to restore fiscal discipline to government spending and extend the pay-as-you-go requirement.

6. Jobs (S. 846). Democrats will work in support of
legislation that guarantees overtime pay for workers and sets a fair minimum wage.

7. Energy Markets (S. 870). Democrats work to prevent Enron-style market manipulation of electricity.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
17:58 / 23.05.05
Don't forget to sign MoveOn's petition if you're in the US:


Hi!

I just signed MoveOn PAC's emergency petition to stop the "nuclear
option" the far right wing's plan to seize absolute power to stack our
courts - and I hope you will sign too.

Starting Monday, the petition will be delivered straight to Congress
every three hours until the final vote, and many of our comments will
be read aloud on the Senate floor.

Please find out more and sign right now at:

http://www.moveonpac.org/nuclear

Thanks!
 
 
ibis the being
20:34 / 23.05.05
I don't see how a MoveOn petition is going to make a difference - not because I'm apathetic/cynical, but because from a political strategy standpoint it doesn't make sense. In the first place, Republican Senators are well aware that MoveOn is a liberal lobbyist, and lobbyists are part of the scenery on the Hill - nothing shocking. In the second, Repub Senators are also aware that public opinion is strongly negative toward this whole nuclear option mess. Those poll numbers have been out, and are part of the reason that there are moderate Repubs in compromise talks with moderate Dems right now... but the hardline Republicans clearly feel strongly enough about this to push forward with the nuclear option regardless of public sentiment. Just how many Senators in their party agree with that extreme position is still unknown, and will be seen when they vote.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
21:27 / 23.05.05
You may be right, but it couldn't hurt, could it?
 
 
alejandrodelloco
23:59 / 23.05.05
It's... Sisyphian...
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
00:39 / 24.05.05
Welcome to reality
 
 
ibis the being
02:01 / 24.05.05
Well, it wouldn't hurt me to learn the ancient art of bonzai, either, but I'm not about to try. There are only so many hours in a day.
 
 
Hieronymus
04:46 / 24.05.05
It would seem we have a deal. Or rather a Democratic rollover.

WASHINGTON May 23, 2005 — Centrists from both parties reached a compromise Monday night to avoid a showdown on President Bush's stalled judicial nominees and the Senate's own filibuster rules, officials from both parties said.

These officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the agreement wuld clear the way for yes or no votes on some of Bush's nominees, but make no guarantee.

Under the agreement, Democrats would pledge not to filibuster any of Bush's future appeals court or Supreme Court nominees except in "extraordinary circumstances."

For their part, Republicans agreed not to support an attempt to strip Democrats of their right to block votes.


I'm still looking for details through all the vagueries here but there's nothing about this that reads like a victory for our side. Owen and Brown STILL get through. And what the hell defines 'extraordinary circumstances'?

My only consolation is that Frist is pissed. But I don't see how.
 
 
Hieronymus
05:17 / 24.05.05
Here's a better breakdown
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:12 / 24.05.05
So, the Democrats won't stand up for anything as long as the Republicans make no attempt to strip them of their right to stand up for anything. It's at times like this you can see why Republicans run everything in America...
 
 
ibis the being
20:39 / 24.05.05
Well, I'm not quite so sure that's an accurate reading of the compromise. There are other ways to look at this, and it's true that none are a resounding victory for the far left, but it was a triumph for centrism and moderation. It was, arguably, a win for the Democratic party, who overall now look like the slightly more responsible members of Congress. We also should understand that it is quite rare for Republicans to go against party leadership the way they did with this compromise, so it's a actually a noteworthy rebuke against Frist. Another thing to bear in mind is that the phrase "extraordinary circumstances" could be as loosely interpreted as referring to any appointee outside of the mainstream, and will almost certainly refer to any Supreme Court nominee the Democrats don't like.
 
 
ibis the being
20:43 / 24.05.05
One more thing, Owen and Brown are actually not the most objectionable of this round of appointees - that would be Pryor and Saud (sp?), so we'll see if the Democrats protest those two.
 
 
grant
19:18 / 25.05.05
So, Owen's a federal appeals court judge now.
 
  
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