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Desolation Jones

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:08 / 11.05.05
Just picked up "Desolation Jones" #1 this morning, from the funny book shop. Warren Ellis on words, J.H. Williams III on pictures. I was quite impressed, I have to say; while it has a lot of Ellis's usual stylistic tics, he seems to have toned down the decompression; the issue went by with what I felt was a good pace, and JHW3's artwork stunned me - although it took me a few minutes to adjust to the inking in places. Odd choices about use of white space this time - did anyone else wonder why there was so much of it? On the other hand, quite a few bleeding-over-the-edge panels. He also draws a beautiful angel, still.

Odds and ends: is it sad that I'm impressed when Ellis starts to subvert his own stuff? Desolation follows the usual rat bastard main character archetype (i.e. along the lines of Moorcock stuff) but manages to undercut it a bit and has a bit more dimension, hinted at in this first issue. Kind of like Kane over in "Ocean" having a bit more depth, finally, after eons of John Constantine, Jenny Sparks, and Elijah Snow.

Also, Jeronimus Corneliszoon? Jerry C. much? It was a bit cute, but the character was interesting me in a slightly disgusted vegetarian sense. Atomic chompers aside.

Thoughts?
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
21:56 / 11.05.05
From an Ellis Badsignal post; I thought it'd be interesting to stuff it in here:


JONES is a book about loneliness
and liars disguised as a detective
story. FELL, which looks like the
darker book, is about a detective
who likes being a detective, who
finds joy in his life, yet who works
on the basis that everybody's
hiding something. He's almost the
baffled innocent, transferred into
a feral district and trying to get
a handle on this new phase in his
life. His job is in fact the only area
of his life in which he has control --
otherwise, he's all at sea. Richard
Fell's a delight to write because he
has no grip at all on his social life
as a direct result of the fact that
he's a nice guy. Michael Jones? Not
so much. I even question his
kindness. He's a horror to write.
But, as the series goes on, you'll
hopefully see that the stories are
less about him than the people
around him. And, for those people
who see the formation of a
supporting cast around Jones -- no.
Don't assume I'm getting comfortable.

JONES, I know, is very much within
my style -- I wanted to write an
Englishman abroad, and write about
a group of my interests, and I make
no apologies for that -- but I don't
think that, right now, there's
another book like it out there right
now. And that's good enough for me."


Aside from the expected self-aggrandisement at the end, it's notable at Ellis seems to be very much aware of his "stylistic tics" - there's a Bad Signal I now can't find where he talks about becoming lazy and producing his trademarked Grumpysmokingbastard stuff instead of being arsed to think up anything new. What I've seen of Jones seems interesting, especially the idea of the Desolation Test itself (I'll hunt down the Newsarama article when I'm less exhausted), and I like the idea of an Ellis book with an almost inverted protagonist. Has anyone got the text of the POWERS issue with the long W.E. rant about superhero comics? There's an interesting bit where he talks about literally deconstructing the genre by taking it apart piece by piece and then using the bits that make it tick (such as, from memory, "wild invention", "fetishism", and others) without resorting to the conventions of the cape book...especially examining at the actual look of the character, this could be an interesting counterpoint to DESOLATION JONES as a series.

In a slightly threadrotty way, I'm wondering what the exact rationale is with EllisProtagonist naming conventions: they all appear to be signifying (Elijah SNOW, Jenny SPARKS, SPIDER Jerusalem(?) DESOLATION Jones, etc, DO YOU SEE?, fishcakes), but I'm not entirely sure they're just "kewl" names for characters. It might be that this is his idea of the tradition of alliterative names in superhero comics, or something.

Anyway, very much looking forward to this, as it has art by .H.Williams III, which is always a treat, and I'd be interested to see how Ellis copes with an ongoing series with a non-Wrong-Bastard (I hope) protagonist, set in roughly the present day.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:05 / 11.05.05
In a slightly threadrotty way, I'm wondering what the exact rationale is with EllisProtagonist naming conventions: they all appear to be signifying (Elijah SNOW, Jenny SPARKS, SPIDER Jerusalem(?) DESOLATION Jones, etc, DO YOU SEE?, fishcakes), but I'm not entirely sure they're just "kewl" names for characters. It might be that this is his idea of the tradition of alliterative names in superhero comics, or something.

I think this time around it's just because the guy's name is Michael Jones and, for obvious reasons, that wouldn't work in the current Pop Culture Climate.

MIKE JONES!!!!!

But, seriously, I quite liked this. Especially the Los Angeles = Deviant Prison angle.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:45 / 11.05.05
The "L.A. as a prison for bad wossname agents" angle reminded me a lot of a Miracleman story I read a long time ago. I think it was in Gaiman's run? I think, I seem to recall it was part of "Apocrypha." The one with all the unneccesary Intel officers during the Miracle Regime being put in this one city where they basically spend their days spying on each other because that's all that they know how to do.

At least with JONES we get the idea that they've mostly made a go at a different kind of life - i.e. as detectives, so far, and probably other things. Obviously, they're too fucked up for a "regular job lifestyle."

Hope to see a lot more development for Robina; how exactly does she fit into the equation? I liked the hint about robots and explosives.

The Meat Sickness was a good turn of phrase - resonates with those weird meat cravings some people get when they first switch over to vegetarianism (and even later on).
 
 
Jack Fear
02:28 / 12.05.05
... a Miracleman story I read a long time ago. I think it was in Gaiman's run ...

Yes. It was called "Spy Story," and was heavily influenced by—or, less charitably, a riff on—the classic British cult TV series THE PRISONER. Which, if you haven't seen, you really should.

Haven't read JONES yet, but it seems to turn the concept of the Village inside-out—hiding this secret community in plain sight.
 
 
matsya
06:43 / 12.05.05
Now, he probably will deal with this hanging thread in issues-to-come, but I was a little confused about the meat-eater dude leaving LA when it seemed pretty established that the ex-spies DON'T leave L.A.

I mean, there are a million ways around it, but it jarred me for a moment there.

Loved it though. Loved the art, the way the coat was the only bright thing, loved the amazing "fight" sequence too. Very pretty, nicely done. This is ongoing? whee!

m.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:48 / 12.05.05
Damn, this is a beautiful book - haven't read it yet, only skimmed. I love Todd Klein's 60s-ish style lettering here.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:50 / 12.05.05
Have seen the Prisoner - at least, a couple episodes. I hadn't thought about it, but it makes perfect sense now.

Re: Corneliszoon leaving L.A. - well, we established that Robina wasn't aware he was "part of the community," and he -is- a lawyer, so he may have developed a means of getting around it. Maybe the Govt gave him special dispensation so that he could leave when the meat sickness overtook him?
 
 
matsya
23:13 / 12.05.05
Yeah, that's what I came up with. Or a covert mission against their instructions.

Another thing I liked about this was the Ellis-ified version of the opening sequence of The Big Sleep - visiting the general in his private room, some asides with the sarky manservant, the daughter turning up to stick her nose in...

m.
 
 
diz
19:42 / 13.05.05
it seems to turn the concept of the Village inside-out—hiding this secret community in plain sight.

that's exactly what i was thinking. this is probably the thing i like best about this: just the idea of LA as the Village. fits LA well enough, honestly.

Maybe the Govt gave him special dispensation so that he could leave when the meat sickness overtook him?

maybe. or maybe he's full of shit and he's not actually leaving at all. he might have something he does periodically in LA that he doesn't want the rest of the community to know about, and so he makes up some cock-and-bull story about needing to hunt herds of beef on the plains so people stop looking for him.
 
 
Mark Parsons
16:42 / 15.05.05
Yes, indeed, this was very juicy: strange & intriguing. I like in LA and am looking forward to reseeing it through Jones' eyes.

JHW3 continues to amaze. What was the DC series he did about, was it a non-superpowered detective? Something like this? What was it like? I can google it, but prefer human electronic message contact, don't you know...

Does anybody know how long DJ series will go? I am assuming 6 issues, then more if sales & tpb numbers are cool.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:43 / 15.05.05
CHASE was one of the best DC books of its time. Brilliant writing, great art by JHW3.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
08:28 / 16.05.05


Does anybody know how long DJ series will go? I am assuming 6 issues, then more if sales & tpb numbers are cool.


Ellis thinks it's meant to be an ongoing work along the lines of Transmet, according to Bad Signal.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:51 / 17.05.05
Corneliszoon's metal chompers (!) remind me of the Spider's bizarre metal mask/mouth over in PLANETARY.

I'm still wondering about all the use of white space in the panel layouts - everything is given a bit of room to breathe on those spreads, but knowing JHW3's previous works, I'd assume there's probably a reason; it could be as simple as page = wasteland = desolation.

I worry that the end is Colonel Nigh, tho.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:30 / 17.05.05
>> I think this time around it's just because the guy's name is Michael Jones and, for obvious reasons, that wouldn't work in the current Pop Culture Climate.

>> MIKE JONES!!!!!

Umm, that whoismikejones.com link led me to a site that said the domain name was available for sale and tried to infect me with spyware. What gives?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:35 / 17.05.05
And who's Mike Jones anyway? The guy from The Monkees?
 
 
Jack Fear
18:42 / 17.05.05
Who? Mike Jones!
 
 
Billuccho!
23:25 / 01.07.05
Ahh, just picked this book up. I'm not well-versed in Ellis... I mean, I've read *about* all of his stuff, but I've barely read his stuff, y'know? So I found this fresh and fun, in that frightening, dirty way. Heh.

I quite like the premise (and the plot: Hitler porn? Awesome), and Jones himself is an interesting character. The book reads like Marlowe stepped into the maddening horror and perversion of contemporary America. So yes, the writing was pretty good (I was sold halfway through the first page), but that's hardly the major selling point of the book. Rather...

The art: Fantastic. JH Williams III (great name, too) keeps cranking out beautiful comics. The guy's an artiste. The page layouts are always well-done (the two-page spread of the eye-gouging... I mean, it's gloriously violent), and the linework is, of course, superb.

The lettering: My God, the LETTERING! The lettering is what basically convinced me to pick up the book, and it's marvelous, in the vein of old 50's EC comics.

So, yeah, it's a good comic. I'll be there for #2.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:35 / 04.07.05
The Hitler porn would be amusing if it hadn't turned up more or less in most of the things he's written in the last few years. And am confuzzed by the fight scene. Does he have some special abilities, strength, speed or something, or is it just that the hired goon doesn't actually know how to fight. Will by the next few issues but am not seeing the new much so far.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
17:46 / 04.07.05
I've had this for a while, and I'm still convinced it's utterly fantastic - the whole idea of the Desolation test and the treatment of Cornelizoon and the rest was actually quite chilling in a way that Ellis hasn't been for too long. The vaguely "Dick Barton"-ish logo is spot-on, as is all of the artwork, and Jones' speech near the end was perfect - just trademark-Ellis enough to raise a smile, and just, well, desolated enough to give a rather disturbing insight into the character. Lady - I think the goons are supposed to be shocked into insensibility or something, but he is meant to be a highly trained MI6 agent anyway, so I suppose he'd be able to deal with a couple of LA bodyguards without much trouble.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:34 / 10.07.05
Ellis' "DVD commentary" for issue #1 is up at his website. Gives the origin of the name "Jeronimus Corneliszoon". Now that he mentions it, I do vaguely remember that exchange on his old forum.

Also gives a rather tortured exegesis of the "Hitler porn" idea, not mentioning that he stole it wholesale from Dom DeLillo, who used it as the MacGuffin in his novel RUNNING DOG...


SPOILERS FOR THE DeLILLO NOVEL


...but the film in question actually turns out to be of der Fuehrer doing a crummy Chaplin impersonation for the children of the officers in the bunker.

Now, while I'll accept that two minds can come to the same conclusion independently, I'll be very interested to see if JONES's alleged Hitler porn is actually anything of the sort...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:24 / 11.07.05
Interesting to hear him talk about JHW3's reworking his notes; and that we can expect by #4 that Ellis takes W3's style into consideration.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:54 / 11.07.05
JHW3? Care to kick in on this one? How have Warren's newest scripts changed? I imagine he'll get more sparing in his visual instructions, as your partnership solidifies... Has he begun writing in double-page spreads?
 
 
FinderWolf
12:57 / 12.07.05
Looking forward to issue 2, which I think is due out tomorrow.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:17 / 13.07.05
#2!

I enjoyed this more than #1, because obviously we're leaving the set-up behind for outright story momentum. Ellis continues to use Jones as a subversion of the GrumpyBastard, when he meets up with the tragic Miss Emily Crowe and we're exposed to some of the underside of secret agent body modification. I really liked Crowe and want to see more of her in the series, especially if they can get her out of the house (no doubt with horrendous results). Jones is given more of a chance to show that he's a human being, even if utterly screwed by the Desolation Test. He's shown with a streak of gentle nurturing in him.

The LA-as-Village thing is developed a bit more, but it led me into a complaint/concern about the story, in that I'm hoping eventually we see more characters who aren't actually ex-spooks in exile.

The female characters all strike me as being Anti-Bond Girls; Emily is cut off from the world and knife-edge intelligent - Jones depends on her, even as she depends on him. Robinna is the apprentice, on the verge of being her very own GrumpyBastard, but we see more of a hint of sadness within her. Angela Nigh is trouble, and we all know it. I like the nature of their relationships with Jones, how Jones's apparent asexuality is accompanied by some complication to the "I don't need nobody" Batman mentality.

No Jeronimus, very sad.

The last page...! Brilliant JHW3.

I like that the Desolation Test is held back more specifically into our own imaginations, even if we'll probably get some more of the story.
 
 
Triplets
22:44 / 13.07.05
Ellis continues to use Jones as a subversion of the GrumpyBastard... Jones is given more of a chance to show that he's a human being

Elijah Snow and pretty much any given seen with Ambrose Chase in Planetary.

The female characters all strike me as being Anti-Bond Girls

Jakita Wagner.

I like the nature of their relationships with Jones, how Jones's apparent asexuality

Did Elijah or Jenny Sparks bonk anybody during Ellis' runs (apart from them both shagging each other (regrettably for both parties) in a one-page scene in the P/JLA crossover?)

This is nothing we have not seen before. This isn't Ellis spoofing Ellis, it's Ellis celebrating Ellis for being so clever by recognising some of his own cliches. Then glorying in them.

Don't get me wrong, this is good work but I am starting to right fucking hate everybody and their aunt saying this is subversive. I've had shits that broke the Zeitgeist more than this.
 
 
Mark Parsons
06:27 / 14.07.05
"Ellis continues to use Jones as a subversion of the GrumpyBastard... Jones is given more of a chance to show that he's a human being...//...Don't get me wrong, this is good work but I am starting to right fucking hate everybody and their aunt saying this is subversive. I've had shits that broke the Zeitgeist more than this."

oooh, you big trousered huge-turded hipster person , you!

Saying "subverting the grumpy bastard" is not really the same as saying DJ is subversive itself, is it? Stop jumping guns, dammit!

And the new issue does indeed subvert (or invert, or pervert) Ellis' semi-impermeable grumpy bastards. No scene in PLANETARY or TRANSMET comes close to packing the subtle emotional tones on display in this issue.

i loved DJ one, but this next issue has me anticipating a true classic work (time will tell, obviously) . In many ways, this may be the best, most emotional writing Ellis has ever done. Hats off to the psuedo-gimpy, whisky-stinking beardy old fart! He's evolving...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:08 / 14.07.05
Triplets- Snow had a bit of a thing with Jakita's mother at one point, in Opak-Re; he also had a girlfriend something bad happened to (I think at the hands of William Leather) at one point, as well. And Sparks was sort of implied to have slept around a bit, although nothing in particular was specified beyond that weird, masturbation-if-you-think-about-it thing with Snow.

Actually, I think I'm just happy that Jones isn't a bloody century baby! Which is why I'm worried that everybody in LA's going to be an ex-spook in exile. It's nice to have a break from the apocalyptic over-arching destiny angle applied to Elijah in favour of Jones, who works on a case-by-case basis.
 
 
Triplets
18:51 / 14.07.05
Only Snow didn't sleep with her, Tarzan did (what a sentence) and we've not seen him show any sexual interest beyond that - and I'd be very wary of saying it was Snow's partner that died on the Nautilus based on the one line "I know who died on the Nautilus". I'm not going to derail this thread by continually shouting about Snow's love life. My point is: this really isn't as subversive of the usual Ellismemes as people iz banging on about.

So far.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:52 / 21.07.05
Triplets- Anaykah did sleep with Elijah, quite a fair bit. He had to return to civilisation for a bit, while he was gone she slept with Tarzan and got pregnant with Jakita.

Issue #2 was interesting, an improvement on issue one but still with Ellis's habit of cut-and-pasting something he's read from New Scientist into the script and putting a few extra 'fucks' in for good measure. It's interesting that Ellis envisions this series as going on as long as 'Transmet' as I thought he said at the time he was never going to write anything that long again. I also wonder if he's going to find enough variety in a sort of modern day LA as there was in 'The City'.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:50 / 22.07.05
I liked issue 2 just fine. Nice tragic character in Emily, beautifully rendered by JHW3... we have here the classic "Ellis takes a superpowered idea and twists it around" - instead of the cliche super-pherhomone-femme-fatale/seductress we see so much in comics, we have the exact opposite due to a botched attempt to make her the super-seductress. Always fun to see Ellis take the dark side of superhero concepts gone horribly wrong...this isn't Ellis reinventing the wheel but it is fun and well-told so far. We've got a bunch of characters who are the result of botched secret agent experiments (the attempt at a guy who doesn't need to eat, Jones himself, etc.).

And I agree about the idea that not telling us about the Desolation Test just makes it more creepy in our minds...
 
 
jhw3
01:34 / 25.07.05
hey there the lonely war of jack fear
i've just started receiving script material for issue 4 and the first 3 were done quite some time ago. i haven't had the chance to fully read number 4 yet to see if anything i'm doing in the art is cycling back through the script. in some ways i'm hoping that warren will leave most of the placements of double page spreads up to me because it certainly has been fun doing that myself up to this point. it has allowed me to direct the ebb and flows in interesting ways.
 
 
superdonkey
02:23 / 25.07.05
I'm really surprised how much I'm enjoying DJ right now. I've added it to my rather short pull list. Keep up the good work!
 
 
FinderWolf
14:52 / 14.09.05
new ish out this week, I believe. (apropo of nothing, I loved it when the old 70s Marvel editors would say 'ish' in their little footnotes, i.e. 'see ish 6 - Ed.')
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:17 / 15.09.05
#3 out today, yeah. Got it this morning on the way to work, read it on the bus. While on the one hand the vast majority of the issue is talking heads, it doesn't feel decompressed because, my god, there was a lot of dialogue! And I think it served to give us more of an insight into how Jones perceives the world - a twisting, kalidoscopic series of flashbacks - connecting the people around him to the implied destruction and torture shown to him during the Desolation Project. Jones does some detective work, we get to see him commit the usual ultraviolence, but the big thing for me was the "business" talk.

He was talking to someone in the porn business, acting like "The Business" was porn, and I like how it presented us with the different "realities" in LA; the ex-spook community dissolves in favour of the porn star community. I like the overlapping undergrounds present, not quite synching up with each other.

Art was brill, solid page layouts. Dialogue was good and gave itself a real reason to be "hardcore" and "shocking" (uh-huh) while treating it with a deadpan undercurrent - it's all posturing, we know it's posturing, it's just a veneer Jones has to push through. It could quite easily go over the edge, and I think at times in #3 it did push it too far (until it just became noise), but there were definitely some solid moments.
 
  

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